> In message <7l0isgF2pm88...@mid.individual.net>, Phxbrd > <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> writes
>>"Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:qj4me59nrk7m7nbqi9lrc2tjpa1k0iq461@4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:51:30 +0000, Gordon H >>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>In message <ab6ke5pprf962cgtddqa8v0lmvjtqjp...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange >>>><pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes >>>>>On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:38 +0000, Gordon H >>>>><Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>I run a backup to a huge external Hard Drive every week, of course.
>>>>>Well done that man. When I worked on Unix support in the 90s you'd be >>>>>surprised how many times you got the Deathly Hush (TM) on the phone >>>>>when you said to a customer "Well, you'll need to get that back from >>>>>your backup".
>>>>8-)
>>>>I learned from my 21 years at ICL. One of the jobs we had to do was >>>>build operating systems and archive them so that they could be installed >>>>on mainframes as they were built. Before any changes were made we >>>>took an archive (backup).
>>> Where was that, West Gorton?
>>> Pete
>>You're both newbies. I sold, designed, programmed, and installed computer >>systems in the 60's.
> Of course you did Seth. > -- > Gordon H > Remove "invalid" to reply
You act as though you doubt him. I don't. My husband started working on computer peripherals in 1959.
>"Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >news:XMkMcdGWyC7KFwpQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >> In message <7l0isgF2pm88...@mid.individual.net>, Phxbrd >> <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> writes
>>>You're both newbies. I sold, designed, programmed, and installed computer >>>systems in the 60's.
>> Of course you did Seth. >> -- >> Gordon H
>You act as though you doubt him. I don't. My husband started working on >computer peripherals in 1959. >Joy
Naah! Just ribbing him, he does so much of this "America is best, I am the greatest" that I take him with a pinch of salt. :)
We've discussed old computer kit before, flexowriters in particular, but they were still around in the 70's. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:07:53 +0000, Gordon H ><Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>I guess not, the site has been closed down for some time, after being >>Fujitsu for a number of years. :-( >>Maybe you had a lucky escape...
>Maybe I did!
>I worked for Honeywell in Scotland, they had a series of redundancies >in the 70s, including a memorable Friday when we went from a >1200-person operation to a 400-person operation. I would have liked to >go then as the package was quite good. I went to see my boss but he >said almost gleefully "You can't go, you're on the Must Stay list, >however I'm going". >I eventually moved back South in 78 when I got an offer from the >software support mob.
I left in '91, when they wrote to everyone over 55, offering a 40% enhancement on "pension earned to date". That gave me an extra 10 years or so of pension pot, and I jumped, aged 58.
My mate made a tentative enquiry, but like you, was told he could not be released. Twelve months later he was made redundant. As he said to me "I poked my head above the parapet". ;-) -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
<Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >In message <g6poe5lvd92l95j2jqianf4i3ufsp1t...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange ><pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes >>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:07:53 +0000, Gordon H >><Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>I left in '91, when they wrote to everyone over 55, offering a 40% >enhancement on "pension earned to date". That gave me an extra 10 >years or so of pension pot, and I jumped, aged 58.
>My mate made a tentative enquiry, but like you, was told he could not be >released. Twelve months later he was made redundant. As he said >to me "I poked my head above the parapet". ;-)
I managed to escape eventually in 2002, at 56. To make it worthwhile going, I had to be over 55 and have my age plus years of service add up to 83, as they took less off the pension for going early. I had the 83 when I was 52, but obviously not the 55 bit. In 2002 a project I was on finished & I managed to persuade the company to make me redundant and get early retirement. I did some contracting after that until last year. I got quite used to the people I was working with being younger than my kids! (not sure if they did though...).
<janet.and.j...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote: >The message <0pcoe5lsk8i6ivhiaotp2o5u104sv63...@4ax.com> >from Peter Grange <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>> >>Where was that, West Gorton?
>> >Yep! Don't tell me you're another who worked there? >> >:-)
>> No, I had an interview there around 77 or 78. I haven't heard >> anything, I guess I didn't get it...
> LOL. Maybe they gave you the job but just forgot to notify you; time >to contact their pensions department and remind them of your address.
As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear anything now :-(
Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had stopped by then even.
The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes
>As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >anything now :-(
>Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were >still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >stopped by then even.
>The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter >from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>Fings ain't what they used to be...
They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure I had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me.... -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
In message <5juqe511ulcu6euuavmpns5hlkninoh...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes
>I managed to escape eventually in 2002, at 56. To make it worthwhile >going, I had to be over 55 and have my age plus years of service add >up to 83, as they took less off the pension for going early. I had the >83 when I was 52, but obviously not the 55 bit.
I had to be careful from 1991 until 1998 when my state pension arrived, switching vast sums around in my wife's name, until she died in 1995, which put an end to that scheme. :-(
>In 2002 a project I >was on finished & I managed to persuade the company to make me >redundant and get early retirement. >I did some contracting after that until last year. I got quite used to >the people I was working with being younger than my kids! (not sure if >they did though...).
I had that experience during my time at ICL! -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
<Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange ><pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes
>>As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >>anything now :-(
>>Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were >>still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >>wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >>stopped by then even.
>>The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >>my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter >>from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >>sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>>Fings ain't what they used to be...
>They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure I >had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could >easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an >electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who >looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me....
After I managed to get redundancy and early retirement I took some time off then decided I was bored, a bit young to do nothing so started looking for something to do. I got some contract work fairly quickly, but in the interim went into the Job Centre in Bracknell. I spoke to one of the counter staff and asked if they had anything for Software Developers (Bracknell is in the centre of the Thames Valley hi-tech area after all). The conversation was very short, I don't think they dealt with, or possibly had heard of, such beings. I remember in the height of the redundancies in Scotland in the 70s the "brew" had a "Professional and Executive" section where some of the outplaced engineers got help and even new jobs. Do they not deal with anything other than kitchen porters any more?
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:47:39 +0000, Gordon H > <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange >><pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >>>anything now :-(
>>>Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were >>>still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >>>wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >>>stopped by then even.
>>>The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >>>my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter >>>from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >>>sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>>>Fings ain't what they used to be...
>>They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure I >>had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could >>easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an >>electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who >>looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me....
> After I managed to get redundancy and early retirement I took some > time off then decided I was bored, a bit young to do nothing so > started looking for something to do. I got some contract work fairly > quickly, but in the interim went into the Job Centre in Bracknell. I > spoke to one of the counter staff and asked if they had anything for > Software Developers (Bracknell is in the centre of the Thames Valley > hi-tech area after all). The conversation was very short, I don't > think they dealt with, or possibly had heard of, such beings. I > remember in the height of the redundancies in Scotland in the 70s the > "brew" had a "Professional and Executive" section where some of the > outplaced engineers got help and even new jobs. Do they not deal with > anything other than kitchen porters any more?
> --
> Pete
There's a surprising demand for COBOL programmers here, but I have no interest in doing any of it. I have a friend who does, though. She can have it.
The only work I've done since retirement was a stint in Census 2000. I quit that after two months. I could have worked another four months or so.
>>>In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange >>><pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >>>>anything now :-(
>>>>Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were >>>>still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >>>>wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >>>>stopped by then even.
>>>>The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >>>>my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter >>>>from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >>>>sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>>>>Fings ain't what they used to be...
>>>They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure I >>>had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could >>>easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an >>>electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who >>>looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me....
>> After I managed to get redundancy and early retirement I took some >> time off then decided I was bored, a bit young to do nothing so >> started looking for something to do. I got some contract work fairly >> quickly, but in the interim went into the Job Centre in Bracknell. I >> spoke to one of the counter staff and asked if they had anything for >> Software Developers (Bracknell is in the centre of the Thames Valley >> hi-tech area after all). The conversation was very short, I don't >> think they dealt with, or possibly had heard of, such beings. I >> remember in the height of the redundancies in Scotland in the 70s the >> "brew" had a "Professional and Executive" section where some of the >> outplaced engineers got help and even new jobs. Do they not deal with >> anything other than kitchen porters any more?
>> --
>> Pete
>There's a surprising demand for COBOL programmers here, but I have no >interest in doing any of it. I have a friend who does, though. She can >have it.
That is surprising. there was a big blip in demand for them during the run up to the Y2K non-event but I'm not sure there is now, but I don't look. I get the impression over here that most stuff that doesn't require someone on-site has gone to India. Some companies import people from India to do some of the on-site stuff too.
>The only work I've done since retirement was a stint in Census 2000. I quit >that after two months. I could have worked another four months or so.
Since I retired the second time I've done no commercial work at all. Bit of hobby programming but that's all. Got to like PERL, might have to do some PHP if we ever get agreement on what we want to do with all the family history data we've been collecting for years, and if that decision is to stick it on a web site.
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:14 -0800, "Phxbrd" > <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>"Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:afs2f5l7h62mugh24h4q2041g9tnppp3ec@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:47:39 +0000, Gordon H >>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange >>>><pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>>As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >>>>>anything now :-(
>>>>>Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were >>>>>still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >>>>>wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >>>>>stopped by then even.
>>>>>The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >>>>>my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter >>>>>from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >>>>>sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>>>>>Fings ain't what they used to be...
>>>>They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure I >>>>had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could >>>>easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an >>>>electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who >>>>looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me....
>>> After I managed to get redundancy and early retirement I took some >>> time off then decided I was bored, a bit young to do nothing so >>> started looking for something to do. I got some contract work fairly >>> quickly, but in the interim went into the Job Centre in Bracknell. I >>> spoke to one of the counter staff and asked if they had anything for >>> Software Developers (Bracknell is in the centre of the Thames Valley >>> hi-tech area after all). The conversation was very short, I don't >>> think they dealt with, or possibly had heard of, such beings. I >>> remember in the height of the redundancies in Scotland in the 70s the >>> "brew" had a "Professional and Executive" section where some of the >>> outplaced engineers got help and even new jobs. Do they not deal with >>> anything other than kitchen porters any more?
>>> --
>>> Pete
>>There's a surprising demand for COBOL programmers here, but I have no >>interest in doing any of it. I have a friend who does, though. She can >>have it.
> That is surprising. there was a big blip in demand for them during the > run up to the Y2K non-event but I'm not sure there is now, but I don't > look. I get the impression over here that most stuff that doesn't > require someone on-site has gone to India. Some companies import > people from India to do some of the on-site stuff too.
>>The only work I've done since retirement was a stint in Census 2000. I >>quit >>that after two months. I could have worked another four months or so.
> Since I retired the second time I've done no commercial work at all. > Bit of hobby programming but that's all. Got to like PERL, might have > to do some PHP if we ever get agreement on what we want to do with all > the family history data we've been collecting for years, and if that > decision is to stick it on a web site.
I'm thinking that eventually all genealogical data will be available on-line. Each of us is no more than 50th cousin to everyone who's ever lived.
I've said since the very beginning of computer sciences that the two fields that should be almost completely automated are Medicine and Law. Anyone can treat medical problems once the proper diagnosis is made, and precedents can be most thoroughly researched toward proper court judgements.
Phxbrd wrote: > "Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3sb3f5543o8l6j1me6o4a86hhnbj7ae73n@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:14 -0800, "Phxbrd" >> <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:afs2f5l7h62mugh24h4q2041g9tnppp3ec@4ax.com... >>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:47:39 +0000, Gordon H >>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange >>>>> <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes >>>>>> As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >>>>>> anything now :-(
>>>>>> Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were >>>>>> still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >>>>>> wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >>>>>> stopped by then even.
>>>>>> The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >>>>>> my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter >>>>> >from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >>>>>> sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>>>>>> Fings ain't what they used to be... >>>>> They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure I >>>>> had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could >>>>> easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an >>>>> electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who >>>>> looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me.... >>>> After I managed to get redundancy and early retirement I took some >>>> time off then decided I was bored, a bit young to do nothing so >>>> started looking for something to do. I got some contract work fairly >>>> quickly, but in the interim went into the Job Centre in Bracknell. I >>>> spoke to one of the counter staff and asked if they had anything for >>>> Software Developers (Bracknell is in the centre of the Thames Valley >>>> hi-tech area after all). The conversation was very short, I don't >>>> think they dealt with, or possibly had heard of, such beings. I >>>> remember in the height of the redundancies in Scotland in the 70s the >>>> "brew" had a "Professional and Executive" section where some of the >>>> outplaced engineers got help and even new jobs. Do they not deal with >>>> anything other than kitchen porters any more?
>>>> --
>>>> Pete
>>> There's a surprising demand for COBOL programmers here, but I have no >>> interest in doing any of it. I have a friend who does, though. She can >>> have it.
>> That is surprising. there was a big blip in demand for them during the >> run up to the Y2K non-event but I'm not sure there is now, but I don't >> look. I get the impression over here that most stuff that doesn't >> require someone on-site has gone to India. Some companies import >> people from India to do some of the on-site stuff too.
>>> The only work I've done since retirement was a stint in Census 2000. I >>> quit >>> that after two months. I could have worked another four months or so.
>> Since I retired the second time I've done no commercial work at all. >> Bit of hobby programming but that's all. Got to like PERL, might have >> to do some PHP if we ever get agreement on what we want to do with all >> the family history data we've been collecting for years, and if that >> decision is to stick it on a web site.
> I'm thinking that eventually all genealogical data will be available > on-line. Each of us is no more than 50th cousin to everyone who's ever > lived.
> I've said since the very beginning of computer sciences that the two fields > that should be almost completely automated are Medicine and Law. Anyone can > treat medical problems once the proper diagnosis is made, and precedents can > be most thoroughly researched toward proper court judgements.
I don't think even you could remove a diseased spleen with or without a diagnosis. Or sew back the limb of an amputee from a road accident. It really does take decidedly more than a diagnosis to perform miracles of surgery or take the place of 12 good men and true.
>>>"Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>>news:afs2f5l7h62mugh24h4q2041g9tnppp3ec@4ax.com... >>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:47:39 +0000, Gordon H >>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange >>>>><pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>>>As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >>>>>>anything now :-(
>>>>>>Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we were >>>>>>still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >>>>>>wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >>>>>>stopped by then even.
>>>>>>The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >>>>>>my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a letter >>>>>>from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >>>>>>sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>>>>>>Fings ain't what they used to be...
>>>>>They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure I >>>>>had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could >>>>>easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an >>>>>electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who >>>>>looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me....
>>>> After I managed to get redundancy and early retirement I took some >>>> time off then decided I was bored, a bit young to do nothing so >>>> started looking for something to do. I got some contract work fairly >>>> quickly, but in the interim went into the Job Centre in Bracknell. I >>>> spoke to one of the counter staff and asked if they had anything for >>>> Software Developers (Bracknell is in the centre of the Thames Valley >>>> hi-tech area after all). The conversation was very short, I don't >>>> think they dealt with, or possibly had heard of, such beings. I >>>> remember in the height of the redundancies in Scotland in the 70s the >>>> "brew" had a "Professional and Executive" section where some of the >>>> outplaced engineers got help and even new jobs. Do they not deal with >>>> anything other than kitchen porters any more?
>>>> --
>>>> Pete
>>>There's a surprising demand for COBOL programmers here, but I have no >>>interest in doing any of it. I have a friend who does, though. She can >>>have it.
>> That is surprising. there was a big blip in demand for them during the >> run up to the Y2K non-event but I'm not sure there is now, but I don't >> look. I get the impression over here that most stuff that doesn't >> require someone on-site has gone to India. Some companies import >> people from India to do some of the on-site stuff too.
>>>The only work I've done since retirement was a stint in Census 2000. I >>>quit >>>that after two months. I could have worked another four months or so.
>> Since I retired the second time I've done no commercial work at all. >> Bit of hobby programming but that's all. Got to like PERL, might have >> to do some PHP if we ever get agreement on what we want to do with all >> the family history data we've been collecting for years, and if that >> decision is to stick it on a web site.
>I'm thinking that eventually all genealogical data will be available >on-line. Each of us is no more than 50th cousin to everyone who's ever >lived.
>I've said since the very beginning of computer sciences that the two fields >that should be almost completely automated are Medicine and Law. Anyone can >treat medical problems once the proper diagnosis is made, and precedents can >be most thoroughly researched toward proper court judgements.
Hmm. been around computers too long to consider they're yet ready to decide whether I need a heart or a kidney transplant, or worse still try to have a kidney sewed in where my heart should be. "Hey John, was the code for a heart a 10 or 10 hex?"
Law is a possibility. Worse they can do is hang the wrong bloke. Oh, hold on though, we've done that already before we started using computers ;-)
> Phxbrd wrote: >> "Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:3sb3f5543o8l6j1me6o4a86hhnbj7ae73n@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:14 -0800, "Phxbrd" >>> <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> "Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:afs2f5l7h62mugh24h4q2041g9tnppp3ec@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:47:39 +0000, Gordon H >>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <i4vqe5l0ruavg31ftilpcgbk0tpbl0u...@4ax.com>, Peter Grange >>>>>> <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> writes >>>>>>> As Gordon says the place has closed down so I guess I won't hear >>>>>>> anything now :-(
>>>>>>> Shocking to think it's over 30 years ago. I would have thought we >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> still in the age of sending a letter to unsuccessful candidates >>>>>>> wishing them all the best in the future etc, but I guess that had >>>>>>> stopped by then even.
>>>>>>> The first job interview I ever went to (1962 I guess) they even paid >>>>>>> my expenses. Going back even further when my dad died I found a >>>>>>> letter >>>>>> >from Gloster Aircraft confirming his job back in 1953 which had all >>>>>>> sorts of information on it, local bus times etc.
>>>>>>> Fings ain't what they used to be... >>>>>> They certainly aren't. I "signed on" until I was 60, to make sure >>>>>> I >>>>>> had the insurance "stamps", and applied for a few jobs which I could >>>>>> easily do, but never had a reply. I even tried for B & Q, as an >>>>>> electrical or gardening 'expert', but was interviewed by a girl who >>>>>> looked about 17, and hadn't a clue how to assess me.... >>>>> After I managed to get redundancy and early retirement I took some >>>>> time off then decided I was bored, a bit young to do nothing so >>>>> started looking for something to do. I got some contract work fairly >>>>> quickly, but in the interim went into the Job Centre in Bracknell. I >>>>> spoke to one of the counter staff and asked if they had anything for >>>>> Software Developers (Bracknell is in the centre of the Thames Valley >>>>> hi-tech area after all). The conversation was very short, I don't >>>>> think they dealt with, or possibly had heard of, such beings. I >>>>> remember in the height of the redundancies in Scotland in the 70s the >>>>> "brew" had a "Professional and Executive" section where some of the >>>>> outplaced engineers got help and even new jobs. Do they not deal with >>>>> anything other than kitchen porters any more?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Pete
>>>> There's a surprising demand for COBOL programmers here, but I have no >>>> interest in doing any of it. I have a friend who does, though. She >>>> can >>>> have it.
>>> That is surprising. there was a big blip in demand for them during the >>> run up to the Y2K non-event but I'm not sure there is now, but I don't >>> look. I get the impression over here that most stuff that doesn't >>> require someone on-site has gone to India. Some companies import >>> people from India to do some of the on-site stuff too.
>>>> The only work I've done since retirement was a stint in Census 2000. I >>>> quit >>>> that after two months. I could have worked another four months or so.
>>> Since I retired the second time I've done no commercial work at all. >>> Bit of hobby programming but that's all. Got to like PERL, might have >>> to do some PHP if we ever get agreement on what we want to do with all >>> the family history data we've been collecting for years, and if that >>> decision is to stick it on a web site.
>> I'm thinking that eventually all genealogical data will be available >> on-line. Each of us is no more than 50th cousin to everyone who's ever >> lived.
>> I've said since the very beginning of computer sciences that the two >> fields that should be almost completely automated are Medicine and Law. >> Anyone can treat medical problems once the proper diagnosis is made, and >> precedents can be most thoroughly researched toward proper court >> judgements.
> I don't think even you could remove a diseased spleen with or without a > diagnosis. Or sew back the limb of an amputee from a road accident. It > really does take decidedly more than a diagnosis to perform miracles of > surgery
> The message <7lduj0F3d1qv...@mid.individual.net> > from "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
>> I've said since the very beginning of computer sciences that the two >> fields >> that should be almost completely automated are Medicine and Law. >> Anyone can >> treat medical problems once the proper diagnosis is made,
> Except that individuals (and their circumstances) differ widely; so > although two people may have the same diagnosis they > may require quite different treatment. The real skill of a doctor, or > nurse, lies in treating the individual, not the disorder. > Similarly in law; two people may commit the same crime, but the very > different circumstances and motives don't necessarily warrant the same > judgement or sentence.
> Janet
There's no reason why computers can't accomodate all you've mentioned.
>"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.j...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message >news:31303030393032394AF2104629@zetnet.co.uk... >> The message <7lduj0F3d1qv...@mid.individual.net> >> from "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
>>> I've said since the very beginning of computer sciences that the two >>> fields >>> that should be almost completely automated are Medicine and Law. >>> Anyone can >>> treat medical problems once the proper diagnosis is made,
>> Except that individuals (and their circumstances) differ widely; so >> although two people may have the same diagnosis they >> may require quite different treatment. The real skill of a doctor, or >> nurse, lies in treating the individual, not the disorder. >> Similarly in law; two people may commit the same crime, but the very >> different circumstances and motives don't necessarily warrant the same >> judgement or sentence.
>> Janet
>There's no reason why computers can't accomodate all you've mentioned.
But then the "BSOD" - Blue Screen Of Death, would take on a more literal meaning. 8-( -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
>>> Except that individuals (and their circumstances) differ widely; so >>> although two people may have the same diagnosis they >>> may require quite different treatment. The real skill of a doctor, or >>> nurse, lies in treating the individual, not the disorder. >>> Similarly in law; two people may commit the same crime, but the very >>> different circumstances and motives don't necessarily warrant the same >>> judgement or sentence.
>>> Janet
>> There's no reason why computers can't accomodate all you've mentioned.
> But then the "BSOD" - Blue Screen Of Death, would take on a more > literal meaning. 8-(
ROTFL.....Oh yesss! very clever. Hi Gordon, how are you my fine friend on this bright sunny day in Dorset. Bit parky but pleasant. Must be a bit chilly in Etherow today.
>>>> Except that individuals (and their circumstances) differ widely; so >>>> although two people may have the same diagnosis they >>>> may require quite different treatment. The real skill of a doctor, or >>>> nurse, lies in treating the individual, not the disorder. >>>> Similarly in law; two people may commit the same crime, but the very >>>> different circumstances and motives don't necessarily warrant the same >>>> judgement or sentence.
>>>> Janet
>>> There's no reason why computers can't accomodate all you've mentioned.
>> But then the "BSOD" - Blue Screen Of Death, would take on a more >> literal meaning. 8-(
> ROTFL.....Oh yesss! very clever. > Hi Gordon, how are you my fine friend on this bright sunny day in Dorset. > Bit parky but pleasant. > Must be a bit chilly in Etherow today.
> Bobbie
It's come back to the low 90's F here in Phoenix. I guess I'll leave my tomato bush inside for a few more days. It now has five fruits and as many more blossoms. It sits here right beside me. I love it's smell.
Phxbrd wrote: > "Bobbie" <homefraih...@myhoose.co.uk> wrote in message > news:7lgacpF3dpvn3U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> Except that individuals (and their circumstances) differ widely; so >>>>> although two people may have the same diagnosis they >>>>> may require quite different treatment. The real skill of a doctor, or >>>>> nurse, lies in treating the individual, not the disorder. >>>>> Similarly in law; two people may commit the same crime, but the very >>>>> different circumstances and motives don't necessarily warrant the same >>>>> judgement or sentence.
>>>>> Janet >>>> There's no reason why computers can't accomodate all you've mentioned.
>>> But then the "BSOD" - Blue Screen Of Death, would take on a more >>> literal meaning. 8-( >> ROTFL.....Oh yesss! very clever. >> Hi Gordon, how are you my fine friend on this bright sunny day in Dorset. >> Bit parky but pleasant. >> Must be a bit chilly in Etherow today.
>> Bobbie
> It's come back to the low 90's F here in Phoenix. I guess I'll leave my > tomato bush inside for a few more days. It now has five fruits and as many > more blossoms. It sits here right beside me. I love it's smell.
They do smell nice, don't they? Tomatoes are finished here except for those I have ripening in a draw. Which reminds me I better take a look. I have made some green chutney, but I don't think it will be as good as last years. I was in a hurry. You should have enough ripe ones for a nice Pasta sauce.
In message <7lgacpF3dpvn...@mid.individual.net>, Bobbie <homefraih...@myhoose.co.uk> writes
>>> There's no reason why computers can't accomodate all you've mentioned.
>> But then the "BSOD" - Blue Screen Of Death, would take on a more >>literal meaning. 8-(
>ROTFL.....Oh yesss! very clever. >Hi Gordon, how are you my fine friend on this bright sunny day in Dorset. >Bit parky but pleasant. >Must be a bit chilly in Etherow today.
>Bobbie
It was chilly there on Wednesday... No rain though, but the river was swollen due to the overnight downpour. I took photos but...
I was supposed to do walk with the group today, but my legs were still aching, as I took Mavis dancing to remind her of the steps last night, so she can put up a reasonable showing if she actually gets around to dancing with the new guy who phoned her. :-)
One of her blokes has angina, the other has arthritis, so I wished her good luck! We got a warm reception from the ladies at the dance venue, although we hadn't seen them for over a year, there are plenty of 'spares' there if I go on my own. I wonder if Mavis is scheming to be my partner on Wednesdays...
We get along just fine since we split up. ;-) -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
> Phxbrd wrote: >> "Bobbie" <homefraih...@myhoose.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:7lgacpF3dpvn3U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> Except that individuals (and their circumstances) differ widely; >>>>>> so >>>>>> although two people may have the same diagnosis they >>>>>> may require quite different treatment. The real skill of a doctor, >>>>>> or >>>>>> nurse, lies in treating the individual, not the disorder. >>>>>> Similarly in law; two people may commit the same crime, but the very >>>>>> different circumstances and motives don't necessarily warrant the >>>>>> same >>>>>> judgement or sentence.
>>>>>> Janet >>>>> There's no reason why computers can't accomodate all you've mentioned.
>>>> But then the "BSOD" - Blue Screen Of Death, would take on a more >>>> literal meaning. 8-( >>> ROTFL.....Oh yesss! very clever. >>> Hi Gordon, how are you my fine friend on this bright sunny day in >>> Dorset. >>> Bit parky but pleasant. >>> Must be a bit chilly in Etherow today.
>>> Bobbie
>> It's come back to the low 90's F here in Phoenix. I guess I'll leave my >> tomato bush inside for a few more days. It now has five fruits and as >> many more blossoms. It sits here right beside me. I love it's smell.
> They do smell nice, don't they? Tomatoes are finished here except for > those I have ripening in a draw. Which reminds me I better take a look. I > have made some green chutney, but I don't think it will be as good as last > years. I was in a hurry. > You should have enough ripe ones for a nice Pasta sauce.
> Bobbie
I'll eat most of them sliced and covered with diced onion and sometimes cottage cheese. That's a favorite recipe in Germany.
Speaking of Germany; I recently saw it featured on one of my favorite TV shows. It's called "Festivals Of The World". It showed how Fasching is celebrated in a variety of German cities. I spent 2 1/2 years in Germany in the 50's, and loved almost every minute of it. So far as I'm concerned, Germany is the best touristing country in the world. There's so much to see and do there, and especially for a history buff like me.
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