Pair shocked by elephant encounter (UKPA) – 13 hours ago
It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger problem.
Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on Wednesday.
Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said 'elephant!'"
His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma City.
"So help me Hanna, had I hit that elephant, not swerved, it would have knocked it off its legs, and it would have landed right on top of us," he said. "We'd have been history."
The couple, who own a wheat farm, weren't injured. But the eight-foot, 4,500-pound elephant was examined for a broken tusk and a leg wound.
The elephant's tusk punched through the side of the couple's SUV, tearing up sheet metal. After sideswiping the elephant, his wife, Deena, flagged some people down and used their mobile phone to call police. Mr Carpenter said: "The dispatcher didn't believe her: 'You hit a what?'"
Enid vet Dr Dwight Olson said the elephant was hiding in some bushes just off the highway when he arrived shortly after the accident. Handlers from the circus were able to calm it down, and Dr Olson cleaned the leg wound and gave it some pain killer.
"I don't believe there's a broken bone, but I don't have an X-ray room big enough to examine it," said Dr Olson.
The elephant had escaped from the Family Fun Circus at the Garfield County Fairgrounds earlier on Wednesday after being spooked.
>Pair shocked by elephant encounter >(UKPA) – 13 hours ago
>It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >problem.
>Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >Wednesday.
>Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >'elephant!'"
>His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >City.
Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles when driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too late top brake? -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
<Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >In message ><89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>(UKPA) – 13 hours ago
>>It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >>highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >>problem.
>>Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>Wednesday.
>>Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>'elephant!'"
>>His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>City.
>Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles >when driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too >late top brake?
Driving tests do not include all possible events.
Once upon a time, many years ago, I set off in the car to take the dogs for a walk in the fields a few miles away. As I approached the end of the lane a camel stepped out from behind a clump of bushes. I managed to brake just in time. My reactions were slowed by the shock. The stopping distance would have failed the driving test.
> In message > <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Janie > <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>(UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >>highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >>problem.
>>Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>Wednesday.
>>Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>'elephant!'"
>>His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>City.
> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles when > driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too late > top brake? > -- > Gordon H > Remove "invalid" to reply
Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near them to obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly see something a very short distance from you.
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:54:07 -0800, "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> wrote: >"Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >> In message >> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Janie >> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>(UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >>>highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >>>problem.
>>>Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>>with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>Wednesday.
>>>Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>>elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>>'elephant!'"
>>>His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>>elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>>City.
>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles when >> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too late >> top brake? >> -- >> Gordon H >> Remove "invalid" to reply
>Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near them to >obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly see >something a very short distance from you.
With respect, if you came round a bend and ran into something not moving towards you because you were unable to stop in time, you came round the bend too fast.
>"Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >> In message >> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Janie >> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>(UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >>>highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >>>problem.
>>>Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>>with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>Wednesday.
>>>Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>>elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>>'elephant!'"
>>>His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>>elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>>City.
>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles when >> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too late >> top brake? >> -- >> Gordon H
>Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near them to >obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly see >something a very short distance from you. >Joy
British roads are far from straight except motorways! I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within the distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
>On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:54:07 -0800, "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> wrote:
>>"Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >>news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>> In message >>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Janie >>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>(UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >>>>highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >>>>problem.
>>>>Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>>>with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>>Wednesday.
>>>>Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>>>elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>>>'elephant!'"
>>>>His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>>>elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>>>City.
>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles when >>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too late >>> top brake? >>> -- >>> Gordon H >>> Remove "invalid" to reply
>>Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near them to >>obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly see >>something a very short distance from you.
>With respect, if you came round a bend and ran into something not >moving towards you because you were unable to stop in time, you came >round the bend too fast.
Like wot I said... :) -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H > <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>> In message >>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>> Janie >>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >>>>> problem.
>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>>>> City.
>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles >>>> when >>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too late >>>> top brake? >>>> -- >>>> Gordon H
>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near them to >>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly see >>> something a very short distance from you. >>> Joy
>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within the >> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as to be > able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a fender > bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, that you > should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to suggest > they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's correct. > The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving straight > on, in which case you're drive right into them. > -- > Sacha
Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't know what fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in those scrinty ickle suckers.
> On 2009-11-08 21:05:04 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> said:
>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>> In message >>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>> Janie >>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's >>>>>>> rural >>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether >>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>>>>>> City.
>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles >>>>>> when >>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too >>>>>> late >>>>>> top brake? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gordon H
>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near them >>>>> to >>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly >>>>> see >>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>> Joy
>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within the >>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as to be >>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a fender >>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, that >>> you >>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to >>> suggest >>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's correct. >>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>> straight >>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>> -- >>> Sacha
>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't know >> what >> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in those >> scrinty ickle suckers.
> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? > -- > Sacha
No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine?
In message <7loq41F3efad...@mid.individual.net>, Phxbrd <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> writes
>Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't know what >fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in those >scrinty ickle suckers.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>> In message >>>>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>> Janie >>>>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's >>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether >>>>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>>>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>>>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>>>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old >>>>>>>>> female >>>>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of >>>>>>>>> Oklahoma >>>>>>>>> City.
>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears >>>>>>>> spectacles >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too >>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>> top brake? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Gordon H
>>>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>>>> Joy
>>>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within the >>>>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
>>>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as to >>>>> be >>>>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a fender >>>>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, that >>>>> you >>>>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to >>>>> suggest >>>>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's correct. >>>>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>>>> straight >>>>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>>>> -- >>>>> Sacha
>>>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't know >>>> what >>>> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in >>>> those >>>> scrinty ickle suckers.
>>> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? >>> -- >>> Sacha
>> No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
>> Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine?
> I wouldn't know. I get in, turn the key, the car goes - or it doesn't. > That's it. I've driven a Porsche something or other, a Subaru as above > and an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV round Goodwood a few times back in the 70s. I > have also driven a tractor, a Ford truck and want to learn how to use the > forklift but have 2 nervous men backing away from that one and the person > I know with an Aston Martin won't let anyone else near the driving seat! > I can't remember what drove in America, some kind of SUV and a Holden in > NZ. I've also driven a tiny Renault (?) with the gear stick by the > steering wheel, which was a bit weird to master. I have no wish to drive > or ride on a motorbike and when my son had a little one in London (nippier > in traffic) my heart was in my mouth from start to finish. > -- > Sacha
I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with big engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why motorcycles are so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly fun. As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!".
> In message <7loq41F3efad...@mid.individual.net>, Phxbrd > <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> writes
>>Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't know >>what >>fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in those >>scrinty ickle suckers.
> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with big > engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, > performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why motorcycles are > so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly fun. > As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!".
That conjures up all kinds of titillating images Seth. Surely there are better ways of having fun, than a huge vibrating hunk of metal?
>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with >> big engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >> performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why motorcycles >> are so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly >> fun. As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your >> legs!".
> That conjures up all kinds of titillating images Seth. Surely there are > better ways of having fun, than a huge vibrating hunk of metal?
> Em. perhaps not.
> Not Bobbie:-)
It boils down to the amount time involved. Some fun lasts only minutes or hours. Riding can last all day and into the night.
>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:7lp3odF3f2vcsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 2009-11-08 21:05:04 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>> said:
>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>>>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>>>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>>>>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>>>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>>>> In message >>>>>>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>> Janie >>>>>>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's >>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether >>>>>>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on >>>>>>>>>>> collision >>>>>>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. >>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I >>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old >>>>>>>>>>> female >>>>>>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of >>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>> City.
>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears >>>>>>>>>> spectacles >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's >>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>>>> top brake? >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Gordon H
>>>>>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and >>>>>>>>> suddenly >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>>>>>> Joy
>>>>>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>>>>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within the >>>>>>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
>>>>>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a >>>>>>> fender >>>>>>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to >>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's >>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>>>>>> straight >>>>>>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> what >>>>>> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in >>>>>> those >>>>>> scrinty ickle suckers.
>>>>> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? >>>>> -- >>>>> Sacha
>>>> No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
>>>> Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine?
>>> I wouldn't know. I get in, turn the key, the car goes - or it doesn't. >>> That's it. I've driven a Porsche something or other, a Subaru as above >>> and an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV round Goodwood a few times back in the 70s. >>> I >>> have also driven a tractor, a Ford truck and want to learn how to use >>> the >>> forklift but have 2 nervous men backing away from that one and the >>> person >>> I know with an Aston Martin won't let anyone else near the driving seat! >>> I can't remember what drove in America, some kind of SUV and a Holden in >>> NZ. I've also driven a tiny Renault (?) with the gear stick by the >>> steering wheel, which was a bit weird to master. I have no wish to >>> drive >>> or ride on a motorbike and when my son had a little one in London >>> (nippier >>> in traffic) my heart was in my mouth from start to finish. >>> -- >>> Sacha
>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with >> big >> engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >> performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why motorcycles >> are >> so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly fun. >> As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!".
> That last bit makes me think of Sir Thomas Beecham..... ;-) > -- > Sacha
Phxbrd wrote: > "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:7lr18iF3f6cssU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 2009-11-09 15:10:57 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> said:
>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>> news:7lq6glF3evtjsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 2009-11-09 00:25:40 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>> said:
>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:7lp3odF3f2vcsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 2009-11-08 21:05:04 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> said:
>>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>>>>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>>>>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>>>>>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>>>>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>>>>> In message >>>>>>>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> Janie >>>>>>>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's >>>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether >>>>>>>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on >>>>>>>>>>>> collision >>>>>>>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. >>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I >>>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old >>>>>>>>>>>> female >>>>>>>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of >>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>>> City.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears >>>>>>>>>>> spectacles >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's >>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>>>>> top brake? >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Gordon H >>>>>>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and >>>>>>>>>> suddenly >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>>>>>>> Joy
>>>>>>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>>>>>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within the >>>>>>>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
>>>>>>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a >>>>>>>> fender >>>>>>>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to >>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's >>>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>>>>>>> straight >>>>>>>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> scrinty ickle suckers. >>>>>> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sacha
>>>>> No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
>>>>> Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine? >>>> I wouldn't know. I get in, turn the key, the car goes - or it doesn't. >>>> That's it. I've driven a Porsche something or other, a Subaru as above >>>> and an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV round Goodwood a few times back in the 70s. >>>> I >>>> have also driven a tractor, a Ford truck and want to learn how to use >>>> the >>>> forklift but have 2 nervous men backing away from that one and the >>>> person >>>> I know with an Aston Martin won't let anyone else near the driving seat! >>>> I can't remember what drove in America, some kind of SUV and a Holden in >>>> NZ. I've also driven a tiny Renault (?) with the gear stick by the >>>> steering wheel, which was a bit weird to master. I have no wish to >>>> drive >>>> or ride on a motorbike and when my son had a little one in London >>>> (nippier >>>> in traffic) my heart was in my mouth from start to finish. >>>> -- >>>> Sacha
>>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with >>> big >>> engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >>> performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why motorcycles >>> are >>> so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly fun. >>> As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!". >> That last bit makes me think of Sir Thomas Beecham..... ;-) >> -- >> Sacha
> What kind of motorcycle is that?
LOL A prestigious Triumph model of the musical kind.
> Phxbrd wrote: >> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:7lr18iF3f6cssU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 2009-11-09 15:10:57 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>> said:
>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:7lq6glF3evtjsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 2009-11-09 00:25:40 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>> said:
>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7lp3odF3f2vcsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 21:05:04 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>>>>>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>>>>>>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>>>>>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>>>>>> In message >>>>>>>>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>> Janie >>>>>>>>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>>>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma's >>>>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an >>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether >>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on >>>>>>>>>>>>> collision >>>>>>>>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I >>>>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old >>>>>>>>>>>>> female >>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>>>> City.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears >>>>>>>>>>>> spectacles >>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's >>>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>>>>>> top brake? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Gordon H >>>>>>>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and >>>>>>>>>>> suddenly >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>>>>>>>> Joy
>>>>>>>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>>>>>>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
>>>>>>>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a >>>>>>>>> fender >>>>>>>>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to >>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's >>>>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>>>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>>>>>>>> straight >>>>>>>>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in >>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>> scrinty ickle suckers. >>>>>>> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>> No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
>>>>>> Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine? >>>>> I wouldn't know. I get in, turn the key, the car goes - or it doesn't. >>>>> That's it. I've driven a Porsche something or other, a Subaru as >>>>> above >>>>> and an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV round Goodwood a few times back in the 70s. >>>>> I >>>>> have also driven a tractor, a Ford truck and want to learn how to use >>>>> the >>>>> forklift but have 2 nervous men backing away from that one and the >>>>> person >>>>> I know with an Aston Martin won't let anyone else near the driving >>>>> seat! >>>>> I can't remember what drove in America, some kind of SUV and a Holden >>>>> in >>>>> NZ. I've also driven a tiny Renault (?) with the gear stick by the >>>>> steering wheel, which was a bit weird to master. I have no wish to >>>>> drive >>>>> or ride on a motorbike and when my son had a little one in London >>>>> (nippier >>>>> in traffic) my heart was in my mouth from start to finish. >>>>> -- >>>>> Sacha
>>>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with >>>> big >>>> engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >>>> performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why >>>> motorcycles are >>>> so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly >>>> fun. >>>> As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!". >>> That last bit makes me think of Sir Thomas Beecham..... ;-) >>> -- >>> Sacha
>> What kind of motorcycle is that?
> LOL A prestigious Triumph model of the musical kind.
>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:7lq6glF3evtjsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 2009-11-09 00:25:40 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>> said:
>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7lp3odF3f2vcsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 21:05:04 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>>>>>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>>>>>>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>>>>>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>>>>>> In message >>>>>>>>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>> Janie >>>>>>>>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>>>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma's >>>>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an >>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether >>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on >>>>>>>>>>>>> collision >>>>>>>>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I >>>>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old >>>>>>>>>>>>> female >>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>>>> City.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears >>>>>>>>>>>> spectacles >>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's >>>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>>>>>> top brake? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Gordon H
>>>>>>>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and >>>>>>>>>>> suddenly >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>>>>>>>> Joy
>>>>>>>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>>>>>>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
>>>>>>>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a >>>>>>>>> fender >>>>>>>>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to >>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's >>>>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>>>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>>>>>>>> straight >>>>>>>>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in >>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>> scrinty ickle suckers.
>>>>>>> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>> No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
>>>>>> Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine?
>>>>> I wouldn't know. I get in, turn the key, the car goes - or it doesn't. >>>>> That's it. I've driven a Porsche something or other, a Subaru as >>>>> above >>>>> and an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV round Goodwood a few times back in the 70s. >>>>> I >>>>> have also driven a tractor, a Ford truck and want to learn how to use >>>>> the >>>>> forklift but have 2 nervous men backing away from that one and the >>>>> person >>>>> I know with an Aston Martin won't let anyone else near the driving >>>>> seat! >>>>> I can't remember what drove in America, some kind of SUV and a Holden >>>>> in >>>>> NZ. I've also driven a tiny Renault (?) with the gear stick by the >>>>> steering wheel, which was a bit weird to master. I have no wish to >>>>> drive >>>>> or ride on a motorbike and when my son had a little one in London >>>>> (nippier >>>>> in traffic) my heart was in my mouth from start to finish. >>>>> -- >>>>> Sacha
>>>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with >>>> big >>>> engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >>>> performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why >>>> motorcycles >>>> are >>>> so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly >>>> fun. >>>> As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!".
>>> That last bit makes me think of Sir Thomas Beecham..... ;-) >>> -- >>> Sacha
>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:7lq6glF3evtjsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 2009-11-09 00:25:40 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> said:
>>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:7lp3odF3f2vcsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 21:05:04 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>>>>>>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>>>>>>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>>>>>>>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>>>>>>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>>>>>>> In message >>>>>>>>>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Janie >>>>>>>>>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> collision >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> female >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>>>>> City.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears >>>>>>>>>>>>> spectacles >>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>>>>>>> top brake? >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gordon H >>>>>>>>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and >>>>>>>>>>>> suddenly >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Joy
>>>>>>>>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>>>>>>>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone. >>>>>>>>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a >>>>>>>>>> fender >>>>>>>>>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to >>>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>>>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's >>>>>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>>>>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>>>>>>>>> straight >>>>>>>>>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>>>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't >>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in >>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>> scrinty ickle suckers. >>>>>>>> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>> No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
>>>>>>> Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine? >>>>>> I wouldn't know. I get in, turn the key, the car goes - or it doesn't. >>>>>> That's it. I've driven a Porsche something or other, a Subaru as >>>>>> above >>>>>> and an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV round Goodwood a few times back in the 70s. >>>>>> I >>>>>> have also driven a tractor, a Ford truck and want to learn how to use >>>>>> the >>>>>> forklift but have 2 nervous men backing away from that one and the >>>>>> person >>>>>> I know with an Aston Martin won't let anyone else near the driving >>>>>> seat! >>>>>> I can't remember what drove in America, some kind of SUV and a Holden >>>>>> in >>>>>> NZ. I've also driven a tiny Renault (?) with the gear stick by the >>>>>> steering wheel, which was a bit weird to master. I have no wish to >>>>>> drive >>>>>> or ride on a motorbike and when my son had a little one in London >>>>>> (nippier >>>>>> in traffic) my heart was in my mouth from start to finish. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sacha
>>>>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with >>>>> big >>>>> engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >>>>> performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why >>>>> motorcycles are >>>>> so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly >>>>> fun. >>>>> As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!". >>>> That last bit makes me think of Sir Thomas Beecham..... ;-) >>>> -- >>>> Sacha
>>> What kind of motorcycle is that? >> LOL A prestigious Triumph model of the musical kind.
>> Bobbie
> Have you ridden one?
LOL, no, not that particular model but I have been on the back of my SIL's Thunderbird, and did a tour on the pillion of Vincent in my youth. I have been in the company of a Sir Thomas Beecham on lots of occasions though, he has a lovely touch with the baton.
>>>>>> As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!". >>>>> That last bit makes me think of Sir Thomas Beecham..... ;-) >>>>> -- >>>>> Sacha
>>>> What kind of motorcycle is that? >>> LOL A prestigious Triumph model of the musical kind.
>>> Bobbie
>> Have you ridden one?
> LOL, no, not that particular model but I have been on the back of my SIL's > Thunderbird, and did a tour on the pillion of Vincent in my youth. > I have been in the company of a Sir Thomas Beecham on lots of occasions > though, he has a lovely touch with the baton.
>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:7lr18iF3f6cssU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 2009-11-09 15:10:57 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>> said:
>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7lq6glF3evtjsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 2009-11-09 00:25:40 +0000, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:7lp3odF3f2vcsU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 21:05:04 +0000, "Phxbrd" >>>>>>>>> <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >>>>>>>>>>> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>>>>>>>>>>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collision >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brakes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> female >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> City.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectacles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>>>>>>>> top brake? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gordon H
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and >>>>>>>>>>>>> suddenly >>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joy
>>>>>>>>>>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>>>>>>>>>>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill >>>>>>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a >>>>>>>>>>> fender >>>>>>>>>>> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, >>>>>>>>>>> also, >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>>>>> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's >>>>>>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>>>>>> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving >>>>>>>>>>> straight >>>>>>>>>>> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>>>>> Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't >>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>> scrinty ickle suckers.
>>>>>>>>> Have you driven a Subaru Impreza? >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>>> No, but they're American, although built in Japan.
>>>>>>>> Have you driven anything with a 429 cubic inch engine?
>>>>>>> I wouldn't know. I get in, turn the key, the car goes - or it >>>>>>> doesn't. >>>>>>> That's it. I've driven a Porsche something or other, a Subaru as >>>>>>> above >>>>>>> and an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV round Goodwood a few times back in the >>>>>>> 70s. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have also driven a tractor, a Ford truck and want to learn how to >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> forklift but have 2 nervous men backing away from that one and the >>>>>>> person >>>>>>> I know with an Aston Martin won't let anyone else near the driving >>>>>>> seat! >>>>>>> I can't remember what drove in America, some kind of SUV and a >>>>>>> Holden >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> NZ. I've also driven a tiny Renault (?) with the gear stick by the >>>>>>> steering wheel, which was a bit weird to master. I have no wish to >>>>>>> drive >>>>>>> or ride on a motorbike and when my son had a little one in London >>>>>>> (nippier >>>>>>> in traffic) my heart was in my mouth from start to finish. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones >>>>>> with >>>>>> big >>>>>> engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >>>>>> performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why >>>>>> motorcycles >>>>>> are >>>>>> so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly >>>>>> fun. >>>>>> As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!".
>>>>> That last bit makes me think of Sir Thomas Beecham..... ;-) >>>>> -- >>>>> Sacha
Not even stock standard Harleys make much sense. They're not really motorcycles, but more a childish and anachronistic state of mind. Just little boys preteding to be bad asses ride the silly things.
In message <7lqr2fF3erka...@mid.individual.net>, Bobbie <homefraih...@myhoose.co.uk> writes
>> I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones >>with big engines are much different than those with small, but in the >>end, performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why >>motorcycles are so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 >>lbs are wildly fun. As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun >>between your legs!".
>That conjures up all kinds of titillating images Seth. Surely there are >better ways of having fun, than a huge vibrating hunk of metal?
>Em. perhaps not.
>Not Bobbie:-)
You is on my wavelength. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
In message <7lqpo1F3fain...@mid.individual.net>, Phxbrd <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> writes
>I've liked all sorts of machines I've operated in 73 years. Ones with big >engines are much different than those with small, but in the end, >performance is all about power to weight ratios. That's why motorcycles are >so much fun. 100 hp engines in vehicles weighing 400 lbs are wildly fun. >As the old Yamaha ads used to say, "Put some fun between your legs!".
I have that without an internal combustion engine.
I suppose a fire engine was the most fun thing I drove... -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
>"Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >news:4mRVXPEvq$9KFwPO@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >> In message <7loq41F3efad...@mid.individual.net>, Phxbrd >> <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> writes
>>>Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't know >>>what >>>fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in those >>>scrinty ickle suckers.
>> HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! >> -- >> Gordon H
I saw a guy in a TV programme a couple of evenings ago who was building a replica Cobra, partly from a kit. It looked a meticulous job he was doing on it. I can't remember what engine he was using. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply
>"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >news:7lof4nF3enh0cU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 2009-11-08 17:20:09 +0000, Gordon H >> <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> said:
>>> In message <4af5d05f$0$12628$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy >>> <toas...@real-me.net> writes >>>> "Gordon H" <Gordon_N...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:q5E62vHltZ9KFwMQ@g3snx.demon.co.uk... >>>>> In message >>>>> <89f5019e-f5b7-4f60-a195-d50f467a8...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >>>>> Janie >>>>> <rhinesto...@gmail.com> writes >>>>>> Pair shocked by elephant encounter >>>>>> (UKPA) - 13 hours ago
>>>>>> It may not be unusual to see a deer or a cow crossing Oklahoma's rural >>>>>> highways but one couple returning from church had an altogether bigger >>>>>> problem.
>>>>>> Bill and Deena Carpenter came within inches of a head-on collision >>>>>> with an elephant which had escaped from a nearby circus late on >>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>> Mr Carpenter, 68, said: "I didn't have time to hit the brakes. The >>>>>> elephant blended in with the road. At the very last second I said >>>>>> 'elephant!'"
>>>>>> His last-second swerve meant they sideswiped the 29-year-old female >>>>>> elephant in Enid, about 80 miles (129 kilometres) north of Oklahoma >>>>>> City.
>>>>> Mr Carpenter has hopefully had a sight test and now wears spectacles >>>>> when >>>>> driving. How the heel can you not see an elephant until it's too late >>>>> top brake? >>>>> -- >>>>> Gordon H
>>>> Are all the roads near you perfectly straight, with nothing near them to >>>> obstruct vision? It is quite possible to round a curve and suddenly see >>>> something a very short distance from you. >>>> Joy
>>> British roads are far from straight except motorways! >>> I was taught to drive at such a speed that I could stop within the >>> distance I can see. Forget that and you might kill someone.
>> Yes. It's the responsibility of the driver always to drive so as to be >> able to stop suddenly and avoid an accident. This means that a fender >> bender is the fault of the person in the rear and it means, also, that you >> should *never* assume that because someone's indicator appears to suggest >> they're going to turn into the road you're leaving, that it's correct. >> The indicator might have failed to cancel and they'll be driving straight >> on, in which case you're drive right into them. >> -- >> Sacha
>Very few of your cars are even capable of going fast. You didn't know what >fast or quick cars were until you started putting American V-8's in those >scrinty ickle suckers.
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