On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:38:08 -0800 (PST), The Venerable Sarge
<srgntbi...@yahoo.com> wrote: >Iglesias showing more power than Kalish - .420 to .384 Slg%.
AFL right? I watched them both last week in Phoenix. Both were impressive but our #1 prospect Kelly was not at all. Figures. I told our friends that and I kept hearing "Your guy isn't doing very well" the whole game. He played 3rd base like A-Roid, bobbling balls or plain out missing them and was also pretty lousy at the plate.
There was a Sox pitcher that I think pitched the 1st 1-2-3 innings for the Sonic Sox in the 6th (?) inning but he pretty much got blasted the next inning. I don't have my notes with me now. I think there were a total of 22 hits combined for both teams and the Sox lost it 9-7 in nine innings if memory serves me right (I know, it was just last week! lol! Just getting my hearing back from the NASCAR races :-)
Nice ballpark (Oakland A's winter training park), cheap tickets, expensive beer of course, food good, free parking and I estimate about 800 fans showed up? Just a guess. Not as nice or big as Fort Meyers but it was a blast. Went to the zoo first. 1st time there. I took a few pics but haven't posted them any where.
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:38:08 -0800 (PST), The Venerable Sarge
> <srgntbi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Iglesias showing more power than Kalish - .420 to .384 Slg%.
> AFL right? I watched them both last week in Phoenix. Both were > impressive but our #1 prospect Kelly was not at all. Figures. I told > our friends that and I kept hearing "Your guy isn't doing very well" > the whole game. He played 3rd base like A-Roid, bobbling balls or > plain out missing them and was also pretty lousy at the plate.
> There was a Sox pitcher that I think pitched the 1st 1-2-3 innings for > the Sonic Sox in the 6th (?) inning but he pretty much got blasted the > next inning. I don't have my notes with me now. I think there were a > total of 22 hits combined for both teams and the Sox lost it 9-7 in > nine innings if memory serves me right (I know, it was just last week! > lol! Just getting my hearing back from the NASCAR races :-)
> Nice ballpark (Oakland A's winter training park), cheap tickets, > expensive beer of course, food good, free parking and I estimate about > 800 fans showed up? Just a guess. Not as nice or big as Fort Meyers > but it was a blast. Went to the zoo first. 1st time there. I took a > few pics but haven't posted them any where.
> -pw
Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
The Venerable Sarge wrote: > Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the > mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When > it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have > this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He > just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and > told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
What I thought I read at one time is they were limiting his innings for the year by pitching him to that amount and then putting him in the field. He will probably be back on the mound in the spring.
As far as his bobbling, he is a SS so those balls do come faster to you at 3B. So this may just be a sign that he can't be moved over. Depends if it is one bad game or a trend.
> On Nov 20, 12:47 am, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:38:08 -0800 (PST), The Venerable Sarge
>> <srgntbi...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >Iglesias showing more power than Kalish - .420 to .384 Slg%.
>> AFL right? I watched them both last week in Phoenix. Both were >> impressive but our #1 prospect Kelly was not at all. Figures. I told >> our friends that and I kept hearing "Your guy isn't doing very well" >> the whole game. He played 3rd base like A-Roid, bobbling balls or >> plain out missing them and was also pretty lousy at the plate.
>> There was a Sox pitcher that I think pitched the 1st 1-2-3 innings for >> the Sonic Sox in the 6th (?) inning but he pretty much got blasted the >> next inning. I don't have my notes with me now. I think there were a >> total of 22 hits combined for both teams and the Sox lost it 9-7 in >> nine innings if memory serves me right (I know, it was just last week! >> lol! Just getting my hearing back from the NASCAR races :-)
>> Nice ballpark (Oakland A's winter training park), cheap tickets, >> expensive beer of course, food good, free parking and I estimate about >> 800 fans showed up? Just a guess. Not as nice or big as Fort Meyers >> but it was a blast. Went to the zoo first. 1st time there. I took a >> few pics but haven't posted them any where.
>> -pw
> Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the > mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When > it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have > this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He > just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and > told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
That was 23 years ago, I remember too I was 15, camping and sitting at a picnic table listening on the radio while playing cards. Regarding Kelly, this kid does not seem to happy about being asked to pitch, he really seems to want to play short.
>> Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the >> mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When >> it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have >> this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He >> just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and >> told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
> What I thought I read at one time is they were limiting his innings for > the year by pitching him to that amount and then putting him in the field. > He will probably be back on the mound in the spring.
> As far as his bobbling, he is a SS so those balls do come faster to you at > 3B. So this may just be a sign that he can't be moved over. Depends if > it is one bad game or a trend.
They shouldn't hold him back at SS because they think some Cuban version of Rey Ordonez may be the future.
> > On Nov 20, 12:47 am, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:38:08 -0800 (PST), The Venerable Sarge
> >> <srgntbi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >Iglesias showing more power than Kalish - .420 to .384 Slg%.
> >> AFL right? I watched them both last week in Phoenix. Both were > >> impressive but our #1 prospect Kelly was not at all. Figures. I told > >> our friends that and I kept hearing "Your guy isn't doing very well" > >> the whole game. He played 3rd base like A-Roid, bobbling balls or > >> plain out missing them and was also pretty lousy at the plate.
> >> There was a Sox pitcher that I think pitched the 1st 1-2-3 innings for > >> the Sonic Sox in the 6th (?) inning but he pretty much got blasted the > >> next inning. I don't have my notes with me now. I think there were a > >> total of 22 hits combined for both teams and the Sox lost it 9-7 in > >> nine innings if memory serves me right (I know, it was just last week! > >> lol! Just getting my hearing back from the NASCAR races :-)
> >> Nice ballpark (Oakland A's winter training park), cheap tickets, > >> expensive beer of course, food good, free parking and I estimate about > >> 800 fans showed up? Just a guess. Not as nice or big as Fort Meyers > >> but it was a blast. Went to the zoo first. 1st time there. I took a > >> few pics but haven't posted them any where.
> >> -pw
> > Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the > > mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When > > it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have > > this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He > > just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and > > told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
> That was 23 years ago, I remember too I was 15, camping and sitting at a > picnic table listening on the radio while playing cards. Regarding Kelly, > this kid does not seem to happy about being asked to pitch, he really seems > to want to play short.
> >> Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the > >> mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When > >> it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have > >> this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He > >> just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and > >> told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
> > What I thought I read at one time is they were limiting his innings for > > the year by pitching him to that amount and then putting him in the field. > > He will probably be back on the mound in the spring.
> > As far as his bobbling, he is a SS so those balls do come faster to you at > > 3B. So this may just be a sign that he can't be moved over. Depends if > > it is one bad game or a trend.
> They shouldn't hold him back at SS because they think some Cuban version of > Rey Ordonez may be the future.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
A quote from Peter Gammons today.
Epstein is going to sit down with Kelly in the next month and make it clear they want him to pitch, and the way he is growing -- they think he's going to be 6-foot-4 and grow into a power pitcher with exceptional feel and command -- he could be in Boston by the end of the 2010 season. ____________________________________________________
It looks like Kelly may simply out grow the shortstop position.
The rest of the interview with Gammons and Gordon Edes:
>> >> Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the >> >> mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When >> >> it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have >> >> this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He >> >> just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and >> >> told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
>> > What I thought I read at one time is they were limiting his innings for >> > the year by pitching him to that amount and then putting him in the >> > field. >> > He will probably be back on the mound in the spring.
>> > As far as his bobbling, he is a SS so those balls do come faster to you >> > at >> > 3B. So this may just be a sign that he can't be moved over. Depends >> > if >> > it is one bad game or a trend.
>> They shouldn't hold him back at SS because they think some Cuban version >> of >> Rey Ordonez may be the future.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> A quote from Peter Gammons today.
> Epstein is going to sit down with Kelly in the next month and make it > clear they want him to pitch, and the way he is growing -- they think > he's going to be 6-foot-4 and grow into a power pitcher with > exceptional feel and command -- he could be in Boston by the end of > the 2010 season. > ____________________________________________________
> It looks like Kelly may simply out grow the shortstop position.
> The rest of the interview with Gammons and Gordon Edes:
That bodes well for him as a pitcher, but I don't know about outgrowing SS. ARod, Tulowitzki, Jeter and Hanley have made out well as taller SS. If he's going to be a better pitcher than SS then that's what is best but the article I read said he wants to play every day and a condition of him signing and not going to college was that he be allowed to be a SS. My concern is his head. If his heart and mind aren't in pitching they may not get the best out of him. Good article BTW. I'm not sure why Edes called Schilling a low risk-high potential reward though.
> >> >> Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the > >> >> mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When > >> >> it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have > >> >> this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He > >> >> just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and > >> >> told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
> >> > What I thought I read at one time is they were limiting his innings for > >> > the year by pitching him to that amount and then putting him in the > >> > field. > >> > He will probably be back on the mound in the spring.
> >> > As far as his bobbling, he is a SS so those balls do come faster to you > >> > at > >> > 3B. So this may just be a sign that he can't be moved over. Depends > >> > if > >> > it is one bad game or a trend.
> >> They shouldn't hold him back at SS because they think some Cuban version > >> of > >> Rey Ordonez may be the future.- Hide quoted text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> > A quote from Peter Gammons today.
> > Epstein is going to sit down with Kelly in the next month and make it > > clear they want him to pitch, and the way he is growing -- they think > > he's going to be 6-foot-4 and grow into a power pitcher with > > exceptional feel and command -- he could be in Boston by the end of > > the 2010 season. > > ____________________________________________________
> > It looks like Kelly may simply out grow the shortstop position.
> > The rest of the interview with Gammons and Gordon Edes:
> That bodes well for him as a pitcher, but I don't know about outgrowing SS. > ARod, Tulowitzki, Jeter and Hanley have made out well as taller SS. If he's > going to be a better pitcher than SS then that's what is best but the > article I read said he wants to play every day and a condition of him > signing and not going to college was that he be allowed to be a SS. My > concern is his head. If his heart and mind aren't in pitching they may not > get the best out of him. Good article BTW. I'm not sure why Edes called > Schilling a low risk-high potential reward though.
If he could hit like those guys I guess he could make it at short - but he can't !!
As far as "and grow into a power pitcher with exceptional feel and command -- he could be in Boston by the end of the 2010 season." - that is the biggest stretch I've seen in a long time. But I guess there is an outside possibility even I could "grow into a power pitcher with exceptional feel and command" - but it is certainly unlikely.
Mortimer wrote: > On Nov 19, 9:38 pm, The Venerable Sarge <srgntbi...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Iglesias showing more power than Kalish - .420 to .384 Slg%.
> We dont need no stinkin' Hanley Ramirez when we have the super kid > Iglesias ;)
I'd love Hanley on my team. If I had any team left to put around him.
>> >> >> Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to >> >> >> the >> >> >> mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. >> >> >> When >> >> >> it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I >> >> >> have >> >> >> this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He >> >> >> just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and >> >> >> told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
>> >> > What I thought I read at one time is they were limiting his innings >> >> > for >> >> > the year by pitching him to that amount and then putting him in the >> >> > field. >> >> > He will probably be back on the mound in the spring.
>> >> > As far as his bobbling, he is a SS so those balls do come faster to >> >> > you >> >> > at >> >> > 3B. So this may just be a sign that he can't be moved over. >> >> > Depends >> >> > if >> >> > it is one bad game or a trend.
>> >> They shouldn't hold him back at SS because they think some Cuban >> >> version >> >> of >> >> Rey Ordonez may be the future.- Hide quoted text -
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> > A quote from Peter Gammons today.
>> > Epstein is going to sit down with Kelly in the next month and make it >> > clear they want him to pitch, and the way he is growing -- they think >> > he's going to be 6-foot-4 and grow into a power pitcher with >> > exceptional feel and command -- he could be in Boston by the end of >> > the 2010 season. >> > ____________________________________________________
>> > It looks like Kelly may simply out grow the shortstop position.
>> > The rest of the interview with Gammons and Gordon Edes:
>> That bodes well for him as a pitcher, but I don't know about outgrowing >> SS. >> ARod, Tulowitzki, Jeter and Hanley have made out well as taller SS. If >> he's >> going to be a better pitcher than SS then that's what is best but the >> article I read said he wants to play every day and a condition of him >> signing and not going to college was that he be allowed to be a SS. My >> concern is his head. If his heart and mind aren't in pitching they may >> not >> get the best out of him. Good article BTW. I'm not sure why Edes called >> Schilling a low risk-high potential reward though.
> If he could hit like those guys I guess he could make it at short - > but he can't !!
A bit early for that proclamation no? Just a few weeks ago Iglesias would need a couple of years to hopefully hit as well as Vizquel at some point. Now journalists are saying he is near ML ready. Maybe Kelly just needs a few good weeks.
> As far as "and grow into a power pitcher with > exceptional feel and command -- he could be in Boston by the end of > the 2010 season." - that is the biggest stretch I've seen in a long > time. But I guess there is an outside possibility even I could "grow > into a power pitcher with exceptional feel and command" - but it is > certainly unlikely.
<srgntbi...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 20, 12:47 am, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:38:08 -0800 (PST), The Venerable Sarge
>> <srgntbi...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >Iglesias showing more power than Kalish - .420 to .384 Slg%.
>> AFL right? I watched them both last week in Phoenix. Both were >> impressive but our #1 prospect Kelly was not at all. Figures. I told >> our friends that and I kept hearing "Your guy isn't doing very well" >> the whole game. He played 3rd base like A-Roid, bobbling balls or >> plain out missing them and was also pretty lousy at the plate.
>> There was a Sox pitcher that I think pitched the 1st 1-2-3 innings for >> the Sonic Sox in the 6th (?) inning but he pretty much got blasted the >> next inning. I don't have my notes with me now. I think there were a >> total of 22 hits combined for both teams and the Sox lost it 9-7 in >> nine innings if memory serves me right (I know, it was just last week! >> lol! Just getting my hearing back from the NASCAR races :-)
>> Nice ballpark (Oakland A's winter training park), cheap tickets, >> expensive beer of course, food good, free parking and I estimate about >> 800 fans showed up? Just a guess. Not as nice or big as Fort Meyers >> but it was a blast. Went to the zoo first. 1st time there. I took a >> few pics but haven't posted them any where.
>> -pw
>Thanks - yes AFL - I thought they were going to move Kelly back to the >mound. Hey - I can't remember what happened in yesterday's game. When >it's over, it's over as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I have >this phone buddy who remembers details from games 20 years ago. He >just told me he watched replays of Clemons 20 strike out game - and >told me where he sat, what he drank, and who made "great" plays.
Man do I wish I had a memory like that. I think my mom must have been constantly drunk 9 months before I was born ;-)
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