> You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry.
Get a job... Then they can buy their own food.
> We have > obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high > fructose corn syrup in it.
Get a better job... Then they can buy better food. Assuming ofcourse that they want to. Carls Jr is fucking GOOD!!!! MMMMmmmm...
> That is why we have so many obese people, > they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get > empty calories.
Sounds like the fault of the consumer...
> The corn farmer is highly subsidized,
and by no means rich
> the family farm > is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out > corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country > are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the > cheapest.
I'm no fan of welfare, be it in the form of food stamps for some woman with 3 children each a different color, or a farmer who is subsidized. In both cases, it is a misuse of tax dollars.
> We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the > basements of relatives.
Get a job, they can afford a house...
> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an > average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in > reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from > being homeless.
Then perhaps we need a tax code that ENCOURAGES the rich to create jobs and invest in industry! Why would a rich man want to risk his money in an investment, if any gain would be taxed at an inane amount? It's not even worth it then!
> America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was > that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one > could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and > retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of > the wealth.
Bullshit! Today, it is welfare collecting scum that suckon the government tit. The poor today depend on programs that were not created by FDR, but LBJ and his "great society". These people demand more and more and more, every year. And the liberals bend over backward to provide it.
> Credit card companies...
Offer a service that customers are more then willing to pay for.
> purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when the job > you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' workers. Money > is made by having money and the worker is tolerated only until he can > be replaced.
UNSKILLED workers can be replaced, and rightly so! Minimum wage jobs are NOT a legitimate career path, they are instead intended for highschool students entering the work force.
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote >>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? >>> Yes I do. >> More fool you. >>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. >> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. >>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. >> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect >> their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. >>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. >> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. >>> The rich benifit from an educated work force. >> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. >> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers >> to buy the shit they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont >> even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write >> is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to >> pay for the education of those that need better than that too. >>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. >> Many of them benefit even more from corruption. >>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>> socialised or under a dictator. >> Mindlessly silly. >>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. >> That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. >>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; >> Its a fact anyway. >>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, >> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. >>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class >> Like hell there is. >>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. >> Another pig ignorant lie. >> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on >> welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of >> whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. >> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. > You have to see modern America.
Nope, I know what its like.
> We have people who are hungry.
The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc.
> We have obese people because they are corn fed > junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.
Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you burn.
> That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat.
That is just plain wrong.
> Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.
Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they burn.
> The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone
Like hell it is.
> and all they is remaining are food factories that turn > out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.
Another pig ignorant lie.
> The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized
Like hell they are.
> and so the cheapest.
Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.
It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor'
> The education system is geared to producing consumers.
Another lie.
> Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can > balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, everything to do with what most have between their ears.
> We have entire families living in cars, under > bridges, and in the basements of relatives.
Yep, some fuck up financially.
> Predators prey on our children,
Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their familys.
> marriage is a temporary thing,
A viable marraige always was for hordes.
> government wants the man out before they will help,
Another lie.
> strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,
Always was.
> higher education means years of debt.
Nope, it doesnt have to.
> Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.
Another lie.
> Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.
Hordes of them arent.
> Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.
Another lie. They're free to get a decent education and a decent job which cant be outsourced.
> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker.
The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100 years ago.
> The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%.
Another lie.
> Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.
Another lie.
> America used to be the land of opportunity.
Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration rate.
> After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, > one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort.
Still can.
> Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.
Another lie.
> Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.
Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.
> Laborers are expendable,
They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better than that.
> education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced
Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> or over run with 'guest' workers.
Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> Money is made by having money
Thats just one way of making money.
> and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.
And most of them never can be.
> Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.
Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.
> >> The top 1% of households earned that much money because they were > >> successful capitalists, offering goods and services that the other 99% of > >> the population needed or wanted. Income taxes punish those that earn > >> money, punish those that directly drive the economy. I support the Fair > >> Tax proposal, a nation wide sales tax that would REPLACE national income > >> tax.
> > The top 1% pays 15% income on their capital gains, we pay, roughly, 30% > > on our income.
> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses > just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
> Money, as it's own device, does the rich man no good at all. In it's own > right, it offers no benefit. He cannot eat it, he cannot wear it, he > cannot live in it. He cannot drive in it, take a vacation on it, or watch > football on it.
> Rather, what benefit the rich man obtains through the collection of money > is what that man does with it. It is the food he buys, the clothes he > buys, the house he buys. It is the car he drives, the hotel room he gets, > or the HD TV that he owns. It is therefore by that measure, the goods and > services that the man collects, that he should be taxed. Not only is that > the source of his benefit, but also the measure by which he needs services > like police and fire.
> Likewise, the middle class man needs governmental services in direct > relationship to the goods and services he or she purchases. The rich man > may need police protection more then you or I do. However, his need of > that service is in direct relationship to the property he owns, just like > it is with me.
> Taxing sales and not income would greatly encourage savings, an act that > today is punished since income gained from the risk is taxed.
> > The richest 1% of America nearly tripled their after-tax percentage of > > our nation's income,
> GOOD! They worked hard and deserved it!
> > while the bottom 90% dropped over 20%.
> Perhaps that bottom 90% needs to work harder.
> > The bottom 20% basically have zero wealth.
> And therefore suck up many times more services then they pay for. Under > the fair tax, people are given a refund for the taxes paid at the poverty > level income, allowing these people to remain tax free.
> > They either have no assets, > > or their debt equals or exceeds their assets.
> Then they stupid as hell, hu? Perhaps they should be more responsible > with their money, rather then demand socialism paid by the rich person > paying most of the taxes as it is now.
> > Productivity has gone up, wages haven't.
> My wage has... The people who's wage hasn't gone up are unskilled labor, > jobs that are not intended to be live long careers. No one should work at > McDonalds as a burger flipper for 40 years.
> > Money buys access to government, which writes the spending and tax laws. > > It seems like we live in two separate worlds.
> Those that pay the bills, and those that bitch about how they don't get > enough stuff paid for by those that pay the bills.
> > Sales tax is a regressive tax, that falls mainly on the poor.
> And progressive income tax should be considered a violation of the 13th > amendment.
> However, I would also be ok with a flat income tax. Everyone pays a > specific rate, no deductions and no exceptions. That way, as a percentage > of income, rich or poor, we all pay the same. How would you feel about > that?
> > Why not have a tax that reflects the profits that one has made from our > > economy?
> I'd rather a tax that reflects what services are obtained from society.
Perfect, the service that society provides is a market where the rich can sell their products. The more money you make from society, the more money you should pay, after all, as you say,"Money, as it's own device, does the rich man no good at all.", so let it do society some good.
There hasn't been this much wealth disparity since the "Great Depression", but that is probably just a coincidence, yeah, sure, right.
According to the June 18 "Snapshot" by Lawrence Mischel, of the Economic Policy Institute, pay inequality in the U.S. continues to worsen. Huge gains at the top of the income scale have been fueled by, among other things, a surging inequality in wages. The ratio of the wage income of the top one percent of earners to that of the bottom 90 percent more than doubled between 1979 and 2006, increasing from a ratio of 9.4:1 to 19.9:1. In contrast there was relatively little change in the earnings disparity from 1947 to 1979, when wages at all levels of the economy grew apace.
When it comes to the wage income of the highest of the high earners, the gap has become a chasm. In 2004, the upper one-tenth of one percent earned 70.4 times as much as the average person in the bottom 90 percent of the income scale. Just 25 years earlier in 1979, the ratio was only 21:1. In 1979 it took the highest-paid earners 12.4 days to make what most other earners did in a year; by 2004 that was accomplished in 3.7 days. -- "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > > The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote
> >> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > >> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
> > Yes I do.
> More fool you.
> > The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.
> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that > too.
> > The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect > their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at > all.
> > The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.
> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> > The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the > shit > they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated > work > force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of > their apes > and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than > that too.
> > They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> > The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, socialised > > or under a dictator.
> Mindlessly silly.
> > Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> That chance is available in any modern first world country even without > upheavel now.
> > And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> Its a fact anyway.
> > it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today.
> > but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class
> Like hell there is.
> > -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> Another pig ignorant lie.
> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on > welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of > whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore.
> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every > single year.
Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days, not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card. The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now.
According to the June 18 "Snapshot" by Lawrence Mischel, of the Economic Policy Institute, pay inequality in the U.S. continues to worsen. Huge gains at the top of the income scale have been fueled by, among other things, a surging inequality in wages. The ratio of the wage income of the top one percent of earners to that of the bottom 90 percent more than doubled between 1979 and 2006, increasing from a ratio of 9.4:1 to 19.9:1. In contrast there was relatively little change in the earnings disparity from 1947 to 1979, when wages at all levels of the economy grew apace. When it comes to the wage income of the highest of the high earners, the gap has become a chasm. In 2004, the upper one-tenth of one percent earned 70.4 times as much as the average person in the bottom 90 percent of the income scale. Just 25 years earlier in 1979, the ratio was only 21:1. In 1979 it took the highest-paid earners 12.4 days to make what most other earners did in a year; by 2004 that was accomplished in 3.7 days. -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
> On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mrs Irish Mike wrote
> > > The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote > > >> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > > >> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? > > > Yes I do.
> > More fool you.
> > > The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.
> > Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that > > too.
> > > The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> > Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect > > their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at > > all.
> > > The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.
> > Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > > say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> > > The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> > That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> > In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy > > the shit > > they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated > > work > > force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most > > of their apes > > and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than > > that too.
> > > They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> > Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> > > The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, > > > socialised or under a dictator.
> > Mindlessly silly.
> > > Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> > That chance is available in any modern first world country even without > > upheavel now.
> > > And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> > Its a fact anyway.
> > > it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> > And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today.
> > > but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class
> > Like hell there is.
> > > -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> > Another pig ignorant lie.
> > The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on > > welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of > > whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards > > anymore.
> > The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers > > every single year.
> You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We have > obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high > fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese people, > they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get > empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm > is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out > corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country > are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the > cheapest.
> The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone knows > the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check > book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
> We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the > basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage is a > temporary thing, government wants the man out before they will help, > strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, higher education > means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle > class. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Military service is > one of the few opportunities for the poor.
> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an > average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in > reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from > being homeless.
> America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was > that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one > could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and > retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of > the wealth. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every > purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when the job > you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' workers. Money > is made by having money and the worker is tolerated only until he can > be replaced.
-- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > >>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote
> >>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > >>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
> >>> Yes I do.
> >> More fool you.
> >>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.
> >> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that > >> too.
> >>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> >> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect > >> their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at > >> all.
> >>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.
> >> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > >> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> >>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> >> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> >> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers > >> to buy the shit they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont > >> even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write > >> is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to > >> pay for the education of those that need better than that too.
> >>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> >> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> >>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, > >>> socialised or under a dictator.
> >> Mindlessly silly.
> >>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> >> That chance is available in any modern first world country even without > >> upheavel now.
> >>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> >> Its a fact anyway.
> >>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> >> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today.
> >>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class
> >> Like hell there is.
> >>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> >> Another pig ignorant lie.
> >> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on > >> welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of > >> whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards > >> anymore.
> >> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers > >> every single year.
> > You have to see modern America.
> Nope, I know what its like.
> > We have people who are hungry.
> The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc.
> > We have obese people because they are corn fed > > junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.
> Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you > burn.
> > That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they > > eat.
> That is just plain wrong.
> > Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.
> Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they > burn.
> > The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone
> Like hell it is.
> > and all they is remaining are food factories that turn > > out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.
> Another pig ignorant lie.
> > The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are > > subsidized
> Like hell they are.
> > and so the cheapest.
> Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at > all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.
> It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor'
> > The education system is geared to producing consumers.
> Another lie.
> > Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can > > balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
> That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, > everything to do with what most have between their ears.
> > We have entire families living in cars, under > > bridges, and in the basements of relatives.
> Yep, some fuck up financially.
> > Predators prey on our children,
> Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their > familys.
> > marriage is a temporary thing,
> A viable marraige always was for hordes.
> > government wants the man out before they will help,
> Another lie.
> > strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,
> Always was.
> > higher education means years of debt.
> Nope, it doesnt have to.
> > Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.
> Another lie.
> > Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.
> Hordes of them arent.
> > Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.
> Another lie. They're free to get a decent education > and a decent job which cant be outsourced.
> > Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average > > worker.
> The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100 > years ago.
> > The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%.
> Another lie.
> > Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.
> Another lie.
> > America used to be the land of opportunity.
> Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration > rate.
> > After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a > > little luck, > > one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and > > retire in comfort.
> Still can.
> > Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.
> Another lie.
> > Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.
> Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.
> > Laborers are expendable,
> They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better > than that.
> > education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced
> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> > or over run with 'guest' workers.
> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> > Money is made by having money
> Thats just one way of making money.
> > and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.
> And most of them never can be.
> > Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.
> Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.
Another Republican pimp. Just get rid of all regulations and see how good it will be, he will promise you.
Who needs to keep commercial and investment banks separate, anyway? Apparently, 99% of us did.
Wasn't it interesting that bankruptcy laws were changed just before home loans went belly up. It's almost like some one knew 18 months in advance, what was happening and did nothing to stop it.
Vote the bastards out and vote third party. -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
> > That is why we have so many obese people, > > they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get > > empty calories.
> Sounds like the fault of the consumer...
> > The corn farmer is highly subsidized,
> and by no means rich
> > the family farm > > is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out > > corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country > > are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the > > cheapest.
> I'm no fan of welfare, be it in the form of food stamps for some woman > with 3 children each a different color, or a farmer who is subsidized. In > both cases, it is a misuse of tax dollars.
> > We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the > > basements of relatives.
> Get a job, they can afford a house...
> > Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an > > average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in > > reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from > > being homeless.
> Then perhaps we need a tax code that ENCOURAGES the rich to create jobs > and invest in industry! Why would a rich man want to risk his money in an > investment, if any gain would be taxed at an inane amount? It's not even > worth it then!
> > America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was > > that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one > > could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and > > retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of > > the wealth.
> Bullshit! Today, it is welfare collecting scum that suckon the government > tit. The poor today depend on programs that were not created by FDR, but > LBJ and his "great society". These people demand more and more and more, > every year. And the liberals bend over backward to provide it.
> > Credit card companies...
> Offer a service that customers are more then willing to pay for.
> > purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when the job > > you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' workers. Money > > is made by having money and the worker is tolerated only until he can > > be replaced.
> UNSKILLED workers can be replaced, and rightly so! Minimum wage jobs are > NOT a legitimate career path, they are instead intended for highschool > students entering the work force.
-- "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote >>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? >>> Yes I do. >> More fool you. >>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. >> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. >>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. >> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect >> their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. >>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. >> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers >> to buy the shit >> they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an >> educated work >> force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from >> most of their apes >> and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need >> better than that too.
>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>> socialised or under a dictator.
>> Mindlessly silly.
>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even >> without upheavel now.
>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
>> Its a fact anyway.
>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even >> today.
>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' >>> class
>> Like hell there is.
>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely >> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the >> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not >> kept in locked wards anymore.
>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in >> numbers every single year. > Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days,
You wouldnt know what a real replublican pimp was if one bit you on your lard arse.
> not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card. > The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries > to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us > out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now.
They are completely irrelevant now that they have just completely imploded the entire world financial system, again.
No one will be stupid enough to elect enough of them to matter federally for a long time now.
> In article > <3200bf15-04aa-4d63-9ed9-6daad6f7a...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Mrs Irish Mike <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote
>>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote >>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? >>>> Yes I do.
>>> More fool you.
>>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and >>>> preserve it.
>>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually >>> do that too.
>>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
>>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to >>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting >>> their wealth at all.
>>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and >>>> subsidies.
>>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
>>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
>>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
>>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers >>> to buy the shit >>> they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an >>> educated work >>> force, just being able to read and write is about all they need >>> from most of their apes >>> and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need >>> better than that too.
>>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
>>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
>>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>>> socialised or under a dictator.
>>> Mindlessly silly.
>>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
>>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even >>> without upheavel now.
>>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
>>> Its a fact anyway.
>>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
>>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even >>> today.
>>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' >>>> class
>>> Like hell there is.
>>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely >>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the >>> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not >>> kept in locked wards anymore.
>>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in >>> numbers every single year.
>> You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We >> have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high >> fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese people, >> they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get >> empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm >> is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out >> corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country >> are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the >> cheapest.
>> The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone knows >> the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check >> book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
>> We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the >> basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage is a >> temporary thing, government wants the man out before they will help, >> strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, higher education >> means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle >> class. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Military service is >> one of the few opportunities for the poor.
>> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an >> average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be >> in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from >> being homeless.
>> America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was >> that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one >> could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and >> retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share >> of the wealth. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly >> every purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when >> the job you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' >> workers. Money is made by having money and the worker is tolerated >> only until he can be replaced.
Billy wrote: > In article <7ljsopF3ehee...@mid.individual.net>, > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote
>>>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
>>>>> Yes I do.
>>>> More fool you.
>>>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and >>>>> preserve it.
>>>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually >>>> do that too.
>>>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
>>>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to >>>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting >>>> their wealth at all.
>>>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and >>>>> subsidies.
>>>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >>>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
>>>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
>>>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
>>>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers >>>> to buy the shit they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They >>>> dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and >>>> write >>>> is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford >>>> to pay for the education of those that need better than that too.
>>>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
>>>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
>>>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>>>> socialised or under a dictator.
>>>> Mindlessly silly.
>>>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
>>>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even >>>> without upheavel now.
>>>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
>>>> Its a fact anyway.
>>>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
>>>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even >>>> today.
>>>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' >>>>> class
>>>> Like hell there is.
>>>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
>>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely >>>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the >>>> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not >>>> kept in locked wards anymore.
>>>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in >>>> numbers every single year.
>>> You have to see modern America.
>> Nope, I know what its like.
>>> We have people who are hungry.
>> The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics >> etc.
>>> We have obese people because they are corn fed >>> junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.
>> Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth >> than you burn.
>>> That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so >>> they eat.
>> That is just plain wrong.
>>> Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.
>> Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than >> they burn.
>>> The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone
>> Like hell it is.
>>> and all they is remaining are food factories that turn >>> out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are >>> subsidized
>> Like hell they are.
>>> and so the cheapest.
>> Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at >> all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.
>> It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor'
>>> The education system is geared to producing consumers.
>> Another lie.
>>> Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can >>> balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
>> That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, >> everything to do with what most have between their ears.
>>> We have entire families living in cars, under >>> bridges, and in the basements of relatives.
>> Yep, some fuck up financially.
>>> Predators prey on our children,
>> Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known >> to their familys.
>>> marriage is a temporary thing,
>> A viable marraige always was for hordes.
>>> government wants the man out before they will help,
>> Another lie.
>>> strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,
>> Always was.
>>> higher education means years of debt.
>> Nope, it doesnt have to.
>>> Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.
>> Another lie.
>>> Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.
>> Hordes of them arent.
>>> Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.
>> Another lie. They're free to get a decent education >> and a decent job which cant be outsourced.
>>> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an >>> average worker.
>> The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say >> 100 years ago.
>>> The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality >>> above 25%.
>> Another lie.
>>> Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.
>> Another lie.
>>> America used to be the land of opportunity.
>> Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal >> immigration rate.
>>> After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, >>> innovation and a little luck, >>> one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college >>> and retire in comfort.
>> Still can.
>>> Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.
>> Another lie.
>>> Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.
>> Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.
>>> Laborers are expendable,
>> They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for >> better than that.
>>> education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced
>> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
>>> or over run with 'guest' workers.
>> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
>>> Money is made by having money
>> Thats just one way of making money.
>>> and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.
>> And most of them never can be.
>>> Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.
>> Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.
>> Nope, just a complete pack of lies. > Another Republican pimp.
You wouldnt know what a real republican pimp was if it bit you on your lard arse.
> Just get rid of all regulations and see how good it will be, he will promise you.
Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
> Who needs to keep commercial and investment banks separate, anyway?
Canada and Australia didnt, and not one of their retail banks imploded spectacularly or even needed to be bailed out by govt. They had adequate regulation that avoided that.
> Apparently, 99% of us did.
Did what ?
> Wasn't it interesting that bankruptcy laws were > changed just before home loans went belly up.
You can still go bankrupt if your home loan has gone belly up, but with the stupid US non recourse system, you dont need to bother, you just hand back the keys and walk out.
> It's almost like some one knew 18 months in advance, > what was happening and did nothing to stop it.
Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft us all, again.
> Billy wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > >>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote
> >>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > >>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
> >>> Yes I do.
> >> More fool you.
> >>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.
> >> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that > >> too.
> >>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> >> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect > >> their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at > >> all.
> >>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.
> >> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > >> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> >>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> >> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> >> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers > >> to buy the shit > >> they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an > >> educated work > >> force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from > >> most of their apes > >> and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need > >> better than that too.
> >>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> >> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> >>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, > >>> socialised or under a dictator.
> >> Mindlessly silly.
> >>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> >> That chance is available in any modern first world country even > >> without upheavel now.
> >>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> >> Its a fact anyway.
> >>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> >> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even > >> today.
> >>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' > >>> class
> >> Like hell there is.
> >>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> >> Another pig ignorant lie.
> >> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely > >> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the > >> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not > >> kept in locked wards anymore.
> >> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in > >> numbers every single year.
> > Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days,
> You wouldnt know what a real replublican pimp was if one bit you on your lard > arse.
Sure I would. It would be a neo-liberal wack-job, like yourself.
> > not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card.
> > The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries > > to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us > > out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now.
> They are completely irrelevant now that they have just > completely imploded the entire world financial system, again.
> No one will be stupid enough to elect enough of them to matter federally for > a long time now.
How is it that you know so much about pigs? You a farm boy? -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Billy wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote >>>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? >>>>> Yes I do. >>>> More fool you. >>>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. >>>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. >>>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. >>>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to >>>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting >>>> their wealth at all. >>>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. >>>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >>>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. >>>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force. >>>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. >>>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the shit >>>> they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated work >>>> force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of their apes >>>> and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than that too. >>>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. >>>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption. >>>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>>>> socialised or under a dictator. >>>> Mindlessly silly. >>>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. >>>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. >>>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; >>>> Its a fact anyway. >>>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, >>>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. >>>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class >>>> Like hell there is. >>>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. >>>> Another pig ignorant lie. >>>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely >>>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the >>>> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not >>>> kept in locked wards anymore. >>>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. >>> Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days, >> You wouldnt know what a real replublican pimp was if one bit you on your lard arse. > Sure I would. It would be a neo-liberal wack-job, like yourself.
You wouldnt know what a real neo-liberal wack-job was if one bit you on your lard arse either.
>>> not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card. >>> The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries >>> to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us >>> out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now. >> They are completely irrelevant now that they have just >> completely imploded the entire world financial system, again. >> No one will be stupid enough to elect enough of them to matter federally for a long time now. >>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4320/is_8_42/ai_n29459670/?ta... >>> And the rich get richer >> Irrelevant to your pig ignorant shit above. > How is it that you know so much about pigs?
In article <7luvcqF3g36h...@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Billy wrote:
> > Ain't Keptocracy grand? The only difference between Obama and > > Bush is style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same.
> Like hell they do. He wouldnt have been stupid enough to invade Iraq, fool.
Do you ever have any facts or do you just get this stuff outta your back-side? MAYBE Obama wouldn't have invaded Iraq, but now he is complicit in Bush's policies, i.e. hold prisoners without habeas corpus, allowing torture to continue, extra-judicial killing with their attendant collateral damage (as Timothy McVeigh would say), continued spying on all Americans, and the continued sacking and pillaging of the public coffers, all of which makes him just as guilty as "The Worst President Ever".
> > In article > > <3200bf15-04aa-4d63-9ed9-6daad6f7a...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > Mrs Irish Mike <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote
> >>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote > >>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > >>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? > >>>> Yes I do.
> >>> More fool you.
> >>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and > >>>> preserve it.
> >>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually > >>> do that too.
> >>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> >>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to > >>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting > >>> their wealth at all.
> >>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and > >>>> subsidies.
> >>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > >>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> >>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> >>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> >>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers > >>> to buy the shit > >>> they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an > >>> educated work > >>> force, just being able to read and write is about all they need > >>> from most of their apes > >>> and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need > >>> better than that too.
> >>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> >>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> >>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, > >>>> socialised or under a dictator.
> >>> Mindlessly silly.
> >>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> >>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even > >>> without upheavel now.
> >>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> >>> Its a fact anyway.
> >>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> >>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even > >>> today.
> >>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' > >>>> class
> >>> Like hell there is.
> >>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> >>> Another pig ignorant lie.
> >>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely > >>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the > >>> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not > >>> kept in locked wards anymore.
> >>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in > >>> numbers every single year.
> >> You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We > >> have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high > >> fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese people, > >> they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get > >> empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm > >> is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out > >> corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country > >> are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the > >> cheapest.
> >> The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone knows > >> the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check > >> book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
> >> We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the > >> basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage is a > >> temporary thing, government wants the man out before they will help, > >> strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, higher education > >> means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle > >> class. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Military service is > >> one of the few opportunities for the poor.
> >> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an > >> average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be > >> in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from > >> being homeless.
> >> America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was > >> that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one > >> could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and > >> retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share > >> of the wealth. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly > >> every purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when > >> the job you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' > >> workers. Money is made by having money and the worker is tolerated > >> only until he can be replaced.
-- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > >>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote
> >>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > >>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
> >>> Yes I do.
> >> More fool you.
> >>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.
> >> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that > >> too.
> >>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> >> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect > >> their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at > >> all.
Tell that to United Fruit and the Dulles brothers.
> >>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.
They pay 10% to 15% capital gains on their income. The rest of us pay about 30%
> >> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > >> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> >>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> >> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> >> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers > >> to buy the shit they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont > >> even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write > >> is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to > >> pay for the education of those that need better than that too.
> >>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> >> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> >>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, > >>> socialised or under a dictator.
Which country has a democracy (perhaps Bolivia). Which country has socialism? No, most countries are oligarchies where politicians are the window dressing of supposed respectability.
> >> Mindlessly silly.
> >>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> >> That chance is available in any modern first world country even without > >> upheavel now.
> >>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> >>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> >> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today.
> >>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class
> >> Like hell there is.
> >>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> >> Another pig ignorant lie.
> >> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on > >> welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of > >> whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards > >> anymore.
> >> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers > >> every single year.
> > You have to see modern America.
> Nope, I know what its like.
> > We have people who are hungry.
> The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051029093925.htm ScienceDaily (Oct. 29, 2005) ‹ Hunger in American households has risen by 43 percent over the last five years, according to an analysis of US Department of Agriculture (USDA) data released today.
> > We have obese people because they are corn fed > > junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.
> Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you > burn.
> > That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they > > eat.
> That is just plain wrong.
> > Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.
> Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they > burn.
> > The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone
> Like hell it is.
Watch the movie "King Corn". Subsidized corn, wheat, soy beans, and cotton ( and they aree all GMOs as well) are driving farm workers out of Mexico where they can't compete against subsidized American crops. http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-dangers-of-gen... ally-modified-food-confirmed/
> > and all they is remaining are food factories that turn > > out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.
> Another pig ignorant lie.
Americans eat more corn than Mexicans because of all the products that are derived from corn. Michael Pollan, Omnivore's Dilemma
> > The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are > > subsidized
> Like hell they are.
Most junk food is corn syrup, bleached white wheat flour, and soy oil, all subsidized.
> > and so the cheapest.
> Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at > all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.
> > The education system is geared to producing consumers.
> Another lie.
> > Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can > > balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
> That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, > everything to do with what most have between their ears.
> > We have entire families living in cars, under > > bridges, and in the basements of relatives.
> Yep, some fuck up financially.
Or are veterans, or get sick, or these days, lose their jobs because the vultures (CEOs) have taken the money that should have gone to share holders as dividends , and the company goes belly up.
> Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their > familys.
> > marriage is a temporary thing,
> A viable marraige always was for hordes.
> > government wants the man out before they will help,
> Another lie.
> > strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,
> Always was.
> > higher education means years of debt.
> Nope, it doesnt have to.
> > Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.
> Another lie.
> > Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.
> Hordes of them arent.
> > Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.
> Another lie. They're free to get a decent education > and a decent job which cant be outsourced.
> > Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average > > worker.
> The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100 > years ago.
> > The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%.
> Another lie.
> > Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.
> Another lie.
> > America used to be the land of opportunity.
> Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration > rate.
> > After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a > > little luck, > > one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and > > retire in comfort.
> Still can.
> > Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.
> Another lie.
> > Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.
> Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.
> > Laborers are expendable,
> They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better > than that.
> > education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced
> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> > or over run with 'guest' workers.
> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> > Money is made by having money
> Thats just one way of making money.
> > and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.
> And most of them never can be.
> > Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.
> Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.
Speedy, you are so devoid of information, it is difficult to tell where to start your education. One thing you can do is to stop watching Fox News. The only program you can miss and be smarter for it. You probably think that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, don't you? Turn it off, Speedy. -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
> Billy wrote: > > In article <7ljsopF3ehee...@mid.individual.net>, > > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote > >>>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote
> >>>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > >>>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
> >>>>> Yes I do.
> >>>> More fool you.
> >>>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and > >>>>> preserve it.
> >>>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually > >>>> do that too.
> >>>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> >>>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to > >>>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting > >>>> their wealth at all.
> >>>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and > >>>>> subsidies.
> >>>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > >>>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> >>>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> >>>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> >>>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers > >>>> to buy the shit they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They > >>>> dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and > >>>> write > >>>> is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford > >>>> to pay for the education of those that need better than that too.
> >>>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> >>>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> >>>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, > >>>>> socialised or under a dictator.
> >>>> Mindlessly silly.
> >>>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> >>>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even > >>>> without upheavel now.
> >>>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> >>>> Its a fact anyway.
> >>>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> >>>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even > >>>> today.
> >>>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' > >>>>> class
> >>>> Like hell there is.
> >>>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> >>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
> >>>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely > >>>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the > >>>> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not > >>>> kept in locked wards anymore.
> >>>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in > >>>> numbers every single year.
> >>> You have to see modern America.
> >> Nope, I know what its like.
> >>> We have people who are hungry.
> >> The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics > >> etc.
> >>> We have obese people because they are corn fed > >>> junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.
> >> Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth > >> than you burn.
> >>> That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so > >>> they eat.
> >> That is just plain wrong.
> >>> Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.
> >> Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than > >> they burn.
> >>> The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone
> >> Like hell it is.
> >>> and all they is remaining are food factories that turn > >>> out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.
> >> Another pig ignorant lie.
> >>> The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are > >>> subsidized
> >> Like hell they are.
> >>> and so the cheapest.
> >> Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at > >> all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.
> >> It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor'
> >>> The education system is geared to producing consumers.
> >> Another lie.
> >>> Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can > >>> balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
> >> That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, > >> everything to do with what most have between their ears.
> >>> We have entire families living in cars, under > >>> bridges, and in the basements of relatives.
> >> Yep, some fuck up financially.
> >>> Predators prey on our children,
> >> Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known > >> to their familys.
> >>> marriage is a temporary thing,
> >> A viable marraige always was for hordes.
> >>> government wants the man out before they will help,
> >> Another lie.
> >>> strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,
> >> Always was.
> >>> higher education means years of debt.
> >> Nope, it doesnt have to.
> >>> Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.
> >> Another lie.
> >>> Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.
> >> Hordes of them arent.
> >>> Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.
> >> Another lie. They're free to get a decent education > >> and a decent job which cant be outsourced.
> >>> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an > >>> average worker.
> >> The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say > >> 100 years ago.
> >>> The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality > >>> above 25%.
> >> Another lie.
> >>> Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.
> >> Another lie.
> >>> America used to be the land of opportunity.
> >> Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal > >> immigration rate.
> >>> After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, > >>> innovation and a little luck, > >>> one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college > >>> and retire in comfort.
> >> Still can.
> >>> Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.
> >> Another lie.
> >>> Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.
> >> Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.
> >>> Laborers are expendable,
> >> They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for > >> better than that.
> >>> education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced
> >> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> >>> or over run with 'guest' workers.
> >> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.
> >>> Money is made by having money
> >> Thats just one way of making money.
> >>> and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.
> >> And most of them never can be.
> >>> Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.
> >> Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.
> You wouldnt know what a real republican pimp was if it bit you on your lard > arse.
> > Just get rid of all regulations and see how good it will be, he will > > promise you.
> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
> > Who needs to keep commercial and investment banks separate, anyway?
> Canada and Australia didnt, and not one of their retail banks imploded > spectacularly > or even needed to be bailed out by govt. They had adequate regulation that > avoided that.
> > Apparently, 99% of us did.
> Did what ?
> > Wasn't it interesting that bankruptcy laws were > > changed just before home loans went belly up.
> You can still go bankrupt if your home loan has gone belly > up, but with the stupid US non recourse system, you dont > need to bother, you just hand back the keys and walk out.
> > It's almost like some one knew 18 months in advance, > > what was happening and did nothing to stop it.
> Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft > us all, again.
OMG, a full bubble. See you around Adolph.
> > Vote the bastards out
> They just did, stupid.
> > and vote third party.
> They aint that stupid.
-- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
> >> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses > >> just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
> > Yes I do.
> > The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve > > it.
> So does everyone else. I said AS A PERCENTAGE OF INCOME... A rich man, > who earns 30X my income every single year, does NOT need the > infrastructure 30X more then I do. You can argue that he needs it more, > and I won't fight back. But all 30X more? Come on, you can't seriously > believe that... Do you?
> > The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> The rich needs police and fire to protect their property, not wealth. As > for the military, all free men need it to protect their freedom, no matter > how much wealth or property they may have.
Again, tell it to United Fruit and the Dulles gang. Or to the weapons manufactures who would be out of business, if it was for an active military.
> > The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. > > The rich benifit from an educated work force. They benifit from a > > system of non-corruption..
> And that is 100% fair! Progressive taxes punish the rich. Even with the > "tax breaks" that they get, they still pay for far more governmental > services then they use. It is by their labor, by their work and > investment, that social services are provided for the poor, by robing the > rich of their money.
-- "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Billy wrote >>> Ain't Keptocracy grand? The only difference between Obama and >>> Bush is style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same. >> Like hell they do. He wouldnt have been stupid enough to invade Iraq, fool. > Do you ever have any facts
Yep, he said all along that the invasion of Iraq made no sense.
> or do you just get this stuff outta your back-side?
I leave that to fools like you.
> MAYBE Obama wouldn't have invaded Iraq,
No maybe about it.
> but now he is complicit in Bush's policies, i.e. hold prisoners > without habeas corpus, allowing torture to continue, extra-judicial > killing with their attendant collateral damage (as Timothy McVeigh > would say), continued spying on all Americans, and the continued > sacking and pillaging of the public coffers, all of which makes him > just as guilty as "The Worst President Ever".
Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that NOTHING has changed, fool.
>>> In article >>> <3200bf15-04aa-4d63-9ed9-6daad6f7a...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>> Mrs Irish Mike <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote
>>>>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote >>>>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? >>>>>> Yes I do.
>>>>> More fool you.
>>>>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and >>>>>> preserve it.
>>>>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually >>>>> do that too.
>>>>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
>>>>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to >>>>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting >>>>> their wealth at all.
>>>>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and >>>>>> subsidies.
>>>>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >>>>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
>>>>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
>>>>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
>>>>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers >>>>> to buy the shit >>>>> they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an >>>>> educated work >>>>> force, just being able to read and write is about all they need >>>>> from most of their apes >>>>> and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need >>>>> better than that too.
>>>>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
>>>>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
>>>>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>>>>> socialised or under a dictator.
>>>>> Mindlessly silly.
>>>>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
>>>>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even >>>>> without upheavel now.
>>>>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
>>>>> Its a fact anyway.
>>>>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
>>>>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even >>>>> today.
>>>>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' >>>>>> class
>>>>> Like hell there is.
>>>>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
>>>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>>>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely >>>>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the >>>>> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not >>>>> kept in locked wards anymore.
>>>>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in >>>>> numbers every single year.
>>>> You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We >>>> have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has >>>> high fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese >>>> people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, >>>> they get empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the >>>> family farm is gone and all they is remaining are food factories >>>> that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The >>>> poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are >>>> subsidized and so the cheapest.
>>>> The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone >>>> knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance >>>> a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
>>>> We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the >>>> basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage >>>> is a temporary thing, government wants the man out before they >>>> will help, strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, >>>> higher education means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an >>>> option for the middle class. Living wage jobs are outsourced >>>> overseas. Military service is one of the few opportunities for the >>>> poor.
>>>> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an >>>> average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be >>>> in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two >>>> from being homeless.
>>>> America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea >>>> was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little >>>> luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to >>>> college and retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the >>>> lion's share of the wealth. Credit card companies take a >>>> percentage of nearly every purchase. Laborers are expendable, >>>> education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced or >>>> over run with 'guest' workers. Money is made by having money and >>>> the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote >>>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote >>>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich >>>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? >>>>> Yes I do. >>>> More fool you. >>>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. >>>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. >>>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. >>>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to >>>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting >>>> their wealth at all. > Tell that to United Fruit and the Dulles brothers.
Neither were the military protecting their wealth.
>>>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. > They pay 10% to 15% capital gains on their income. The rest of us pay about 30%
What I said in different words.
>>>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than >>>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. >>>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force. >>>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. >>>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers >>>> to buy the shit they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont >>>> even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write >>>> is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford >>>> to pay for the education of those that need better than that too. >>>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. >>>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption. >>>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, >>>>> socialised or under a dictator. > Which country has a democracy (perhaps Bolivia). Which country has socialism?
Every single one. Even HongKong before it was handed back to China did.
> No, most countries are oligarchies where politicians > are the window dressing of supposed respectability.
The great democracys aint.
>>>> Mindlessly silly. >>>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. >>>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. >>>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; > That's good. Most of us are downwardly mobile.
>>>> Its a fact anyway. >>>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, >>>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. >>>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class >>>> Like hell there is. >>>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. >>>> Another pig ignorant lie. >>>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely >>>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, >>>> and 'the homeless', most of whom are quite literally >>>> barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. >>>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in >>>> numbers every single year. >>> You have to see modern America. >> Nope, I know what its like. >>> We have people who are hungry. >> The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc. > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051029093925.htm > ScienceDaily (Oct. 29, 2005) ‹ Hunger in American households has > risen by 43 percent over the last five years, according to an analysis > of US Department of Agriculture (USDA) data released today.
Just because some fool claims something, doesnt make it gospel.
>>> We have obese people because they are corn fed >>> junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it. >> Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you burn. >>> That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. >> That is just plain wrong. >>> Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories. >> Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they burn. >>> The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone >> Like hell it is. > Watch the movie "King Corn".
That was a comment on the last claim, 'the family farm is gone'
Irrelevant to that stupid claim that 'the family farm is gone'
>>> and all they is remaining are food factories that turn >>> out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. >> Another pig ignorant lie. > Americans eat more corn than Mexicans because of all the products that are derived from corn.
Irrelevant to that stupid 'all they is remaining' claim.
> Michael Pollan, Omnivore's Dilemma
Just because some fool claims something, doesnt make it gospel.
>>> The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized >> Like hell they are. > Most junk food is corn syrup, bleached white wheat flour, and soy oil, all subsidized.
Most nutritious foods are subsidised too, fool.
>>> and so the cheapest. >> Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at >> all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all. > In 2004, rice was subsidized to the tune of $1.13 billion. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy#United_States
Thats was a comment on the stupid pig ignorant CHEAPEST claim.
Rice with very little meat is still the cheapest even where it isnt subsidised at all.
>> It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor' >>> The education system is geared to producing consumers. >> Another lie. >>> Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can >>> balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest. >> That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, >> everything to do with what most have between their ears. >>> We have entire families living in cars, under >>> bridges, and in the basements of relatives. >> Yep, some fuck up financially. > Or are veterans, or get sick, or these days, lose their jobs because > the vultures (CEOs) have taken the money that should have gone to > share holders as dividends , and the company goes belly up.
Anyone with even half a clue can avoid 'living' under a bridge when they lose their job.
>>> Predators prey on our children, >> Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their familys. >>> marriage is a temporary thing, >> A viable marraige always was for hordes. >>> government wants the man out before they will help, >> Another lie. >>> strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, >> Always was. >>> higher education means years of debt. >> Nope, it doesnt have to. >>> Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class. >> Another lie. >>> Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. >> Hordes of them arent. >>> Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor. >> Another lie. They're free to get a decent education >> and a decent job which cant be outsourced. >>> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker. >> The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100 years ago. >>> The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%. >> Another lie. >>> Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless. >> Another lie. >>> America used to be the land of opportunity. >> Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration rate. >>> After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, >>> one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort. >> Still can. >>> Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth. >> Another lie. >>> Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase. >> Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month. >>> Laborers are expendable, >> They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better than that. >>> education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced >> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. >>> or over run with 'guest' workers. >> Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. >>> Money is made by having money >> Thats just one way of making money. >>> and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced. >> And most of them never can be. >>> Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore. >> Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrants do every day. >>> Interesting reading here: >>> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/Hertz_MobilityAnalysis... >> Nope, just a complete pack of lies. > Speedy, you are so devoid of information, it is difficult to tell where to start your education.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
> One thing you can do is to stop watching Fox News.
Not even possible given that I dont watch it in the first place, fool.
> The only program you can miss and be smarter for it. > You probably think that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, don't you?
Nope, and even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google and see that I never ever did either.
In article <wldbilly-31167D.19170110112...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Billy <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote: > Wasn't it interesting that bankruptcy laws were changed just before home > loans went belly up. It's almost like some one knew 18 months in > advance, what was happening and did nothing to stop it.
They got the new bankruptcy laws passed. That is doing something about the fiscal crises.
-- A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard.
> Billy wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >> Billy wrote
> >>> Ain't Keptocracy grand? The only difference between Obama and > >>> Bush is style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same.
> >> Like hell they do. He wouldnt have been stupid enough to invade Iraq, > >> fool.
> > Do you ever have any facts
> Yep, he said all along that the invasion of Iraq made no sense.
> > or do you just get this stuff outta your back-side?
> I leave that to fools like you.
> > MAYBE Obama wouldn't have invaded Iraq,
> No maybe about it.
> > but now he is complicit in Bush's policies, i.e. hold prisoners > > without habeas corpus, allowing torture to continue, extra-judicial > > killing with their attendant collateral damage (as Timothy McVeigh > > would say), continued spying on all Americans, and the continued > > sacking and pillaging of the public coffers, all of which makes him > > just as guilty as "The Worst President Ever".
> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that NOTHING has changed, fool.
You sure post a lot for someone with a limited vocabulary. Anyway, my literate challenged, and syllable shy, little pest is that the messanger has changed, as I noted above. "The only difference between Obama and Bush is style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same."
> >>> In article > >>> <3200bf15-04aa-4d63-9ed9-6daad6f7a...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >>> Mrs Irish Mike <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote
> >>>>>> The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote > >>>>>>> Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich > >>>>>>> man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? > >>>>>> Yes I do.
> >>>>> More fool you.
> >>>>>> The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and > >>>>>> preserve it.
> >>>>> Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually > >>>>> do that too.
> >>>>>> The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.
> >>>>> Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to > >>>>> protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting > >>>>> their wealth at all.
> >>>>>> The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and > >>>>>> subsidies.
> >>>>> Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than > >>>>> say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.
> >>>>>> The rich benifit from an educated work force.
> >>>>> That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.
> >>>>> In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers > >>>>> to buy the shit > >>>>> they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an > >>>>> educated work > >>>>> force, just being able to read and write is about all they need > >>>>> from most of their apes > >>>>> and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need > >>>>> better than that too.
> >>>>>> They benifit from a system of non-corruption..
> >>>>> Many of them benefit even more from corruption.
> >>>>>> The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, > >>>>>> socialised or under a dictator.
> >>>>> Mindlessly silly.
> >>>>>> Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.
> >>>>> That chance is available in any modern first world country even > >>>>> without upheavel now.
> >>>>>> And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;
> >>>>> Its a fact anyway.
> >>>>>> it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,
> >>>>> And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even > >>>>> today.
> >>>>>> but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' > >>>>>> class
> >>>>> Like hell there is.
> >>>>>> -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.
> >>>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
> >>>>> The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely > >>>>> dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the > >>>>> homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not > >>>>> kept in locked wards anymore.
> >>>>> The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in > >>>>> numbers every single year.
> >>>> You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We > >>>> have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has > >>>> high fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese > >>>> people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, > >>>> they get empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the > >>>> family farm is gone and all they is remaining are food factories > >>>> that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The > >>>> poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are > >>>> subsidized and so the cheapest.
> >>>> The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone > >>>> knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance > >>>> a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.
> >>>> We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the > >>>> basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage > >>>> is a temporary thing, government wants the man out before they > >>>> will help, strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, > >>>> higher education means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an > >>>> option for the middle class. Living wage jobs are outsourced > >>>> overseas. Military service is one of the few opportunities for the > >>>> poor.
> >>>> Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an > >>>> average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be > >>>> in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two > >>>> from being homeless.
> >>>> America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea > >>>> was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little > >>>> luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to > >>>> college and retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the > >>>> lion's share of the wealth. Credit card companies take a > >>>> percentage of nearly every purchase. Laborers are expendable, > >>>> education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced or > >>>> over run with 'guest' workers. Money is made by having money and > >>>> the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.
-- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind Wildbilly desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
In article <7mj9jrF3hact...@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind > Wildbilly desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out > of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
The foul-mouthed, mentally challenged, speedy, speaks. What do you disagree with, speedy?
Citation please. -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind Wildbilly desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
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