This could get REALLY interesting. Of course, the hacked ("hacked"?) materials being released could be fraudulent, but if not, wow. Posting just a few links, the story seems to be tuning up everywhere now.
Climate Skeptics Pounce On E-Mails Hackers Got From U.K. Scientists' Files
November 20, 2009 By Mark Memmott
There's a storm brewing on the Web over e-mails that hackers got hold of in which some scientists at one of the world's leading research centers say things such as the need to "hide the decline" in data about temperatures.
The Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain was hacked yesterday, apparently by Russian black hats, and thousands of sensitive documents, including emails from climate scientists dating back a decade, were posted online. More here.
Officials at Hadley, a leading global-warming research center, have apparently confirmed to an Australian publication that the documents are genuine.
The whole affair has much of the blogosphere alight. Blogs skeptical of man-made global warming see blood in the water.
Some of the old emails from scientists made public apparently make references to things like “hid[ing] the decline,” referring to global temperature series and different ways to slice and dice climate data.
In all, it seems there are more than 3,000 files in the hacked folders, which have been reposted in various places on the Internet.
The big Copenhagen summit had lost a lot of its appeal in recent days, as world leaders kept dialing down expectations for the climate talks. Maybe this will spice things up.
> This could get REALLY interesting. Of course, the hacked ("hacked"?) > materials being released could be fraudulent, but if not, wow. Posting > just a few links, the story seems to be tuning up everywhere now.
> Climate Skeptics Pounce On E-Mails Hackers Got From U.K. Scientists' Files
> November 20, 2009 > By Mark Memmott
> There's a storm brewing on the Web over e-mails that hackers got hold of > in which some scientists at one of the world's leading research centers > say things such as the need to "hide the decline" in data about > temperatures.
> The Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain was hacked yesterday, > apparently by Russian black hats, and thousands of sensitive documents, > including emails from climate scientists dating back a decade, were > posted online. More here.
> Officials at Hadley, a leading global-warming research center, have > apparently confirmed to an Australian publication that the documents are > genuine.
> The whole affair has much of the blogosphere alight. Blogs skeptical of > man-made global warming see blood in the water.
> Some of the old emails from scientists made public apparently make > references to things like “hid[ing] the decline,” referring to global > temperature series and different ways to slice and dice climate data.
> In all, it seems there are more than 3,000 files in the hacked folders, > which have been reposted in various places on the Internet.
> The big Copenhagen summit had lost a lot of its appeal in recent days, > as world leaders kept dialing down expectations for the climate talks. > Maybe this will spice things up.
I'm a scientist. After a fashion. But they pay me for it, at least.
I've found a few examples recently of the scientific process being subverted for some kind of political correctness. I think it is to be expected - there is such a human element to it all, after all, and judgement plays big part in it.
None-the-less, I find it really disturbing. The integrety of the scientific process is all we have standing between us and creationists (on one hand) and leftist looneys on the ohter.
M wrote: > On Nov 20, 1:08 pm, Poe <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote: >> This could get REALLY interesting. Of course, the hacked ("hacked"?) >> materials being released could be fraudulent, but if not, wow. Posting >> just a few links, the story seems to be tuning up everywhere now.
>> Climate Skeptics Pounce On E-Mails Hackers Got From U.K. Scientists' Files
>> November 20, 2009 >> By Mark Memmott
>> There's a storm brewing on the Web over e-mails that hackers got hold of >> in which some scientists at one of the world's leading research centers >> say things such as the need to "hide the decline" in data about >> temperatures.
>> The Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain was hacked yesterday, >> apparently by Russian black hats, and thousands of sensitive documents, >> including emails from climate scientists dating back a decade, were >> posted online. More here.
>> Officials at Hadley, a leading global-warming research center, have >> apparently confirmed to an Australian publication that the documents are >> genuine.
>> The whole affair has much of the blogosphere alight. Blogs skeptical of >> man-made global warming see blood in the water.
>> Some of the old emails from scientists made public apparently make >> references to things like “hid[ing] the decline,” referring to global >> temperature series and different ways to slice and dice climate data.
>> In all, it seems there are more than 3,000 files in the hacked folders, >> which have been reposted in various places on the Internet.
>> The big Copenhagen summit had lost a lot of its appeal in recent days, >> as world leaders kept dialing down expectations for the climate talks. >> Maybe this will spice things up.
> I'm a scientist. After a fashion. But they pay me for it, at least.
> I've found a few examples recently of the scientific process being > subverted for some kind of political correctness. I think it is to be > expected - there is such a human element to it all, after all, and > judgement plays big part in it.
> None-the-less, I find it really disturbing. The integrety of the > scientific process is all we have standing between us and creationists > (on one hand) and leftist looneys on the ohter.
> Mick
It's depressing. I used to have such high regard for scientists, but over time I feel so jaded, when nobody can be trusted to provide untainted facts. I have no idea how this particular scandal will play out, but sadly the allegations seem completely feasible based on my experience.
M wrote: > I'm a scientist. After a fashion. But they pay me for it, at least.
I'm a former one.
> I've found a few examples recently of the scientific process being > subverted for some kind of political correctness. I think it is to be > expected - there is such a human element to it all, after all, and > judgement plays big part in it.
> None-the-less, I find it really disturbing. The integrety of the > scientific process ...
> This could get REALLY interesting. Of course, the hacked ("hacked"?) > materials being released could be fraudulent, but if not, wow. Posting > just a few links, the story seems to be tuning up everywhere now.
> Climate Skeptics Pounce On E-Mails Hackers Got From U.K. Scientists' Files
It depends on whether you think AGW is a political hoax or not. I say follow the money. There's a *lot* of it up for grabs and "redistribution."
The IPCC is an intergovernmental *review* panel. It does no research. "Consensus" at the IPCC is meaningless at the scientific level; particularly when there is great dissent in the scientific community as a whole.
Peer review is, likewise, meaningless when performed within a limited sphere of like-minded peers.
I can't recall when or where I first read/heard that data was cherry-picked, and that access to raw data was refused. I don't know whether that's true or not, but the leaked emails tend to support it.
It *is* going to be very interesting to follow this potential "Climategate."
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