No jars with notes --- only a few shards of glass. No reports of a missing man who could have been the victim of one of the alleged homicides. No baby in a shoebox buried in the basement. The stories get wilder and wilder, but the physical evidence: zip.
-- Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> September 5925, 1993 304 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term. Obama: No hope, no change, more of the same. Yes, he can, but no, he won't.
> No jars with notes --- only a few shards of glass. No reports of a > missing > man who could have been the victim of one of the alleged homicides. No > baby > in a shoebox buried in the basement. The stories get wilder and wilder, > but > the physical evidence: zip.
To be fair, not *exactly zip.
Anyway, here's what I find creepy, though it wasn't intended that way. "Gamble" is a friend/supporter of the accused: Gamble said that he had visited the Mohler place over the years and had seen nothing suspicious. He called the deceased wife of the senior Burrell "very religious, very strict," and she would not have condoned any of the behavior listed in the many charges.
Uh oh.
May be nothing. May turn out to be something afterall. Except for the dead guy (IMHO).
> -- > Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> September 5925, > 1993 > 304 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term. > Obama: No hope, no change, more of the same. Yes, he can, but no, he > won't.
> > No jars with notes --- only a few shards of glass. No reports of a > > missing > > man who could have been the victim of one of the alleged homicides. No > > baby > > in a shoebox buried in the basement. The stories get wilder and wilder, > > but > > the physical evidence: zip.
> To be fair, not *exactly zip.
> Anyway, here's what I find creepy, though it wasn't intended that way. > "Gamble" is a friend/supporter of the accused: > Gamble said that he had visited the Mohler place over the years and had seen > nothing suspicious. He called the deceased wife of the senior Burrell "very > religious, very strict," and she would not have condoned any of the behavior > listed in the many charges.
> Uh oh.
> May be nothing. May turn out to be something afterall. Except for the dead > guy (IMHO).
The wilder the charges get, the less inclined I am to believe any of them.
I wonder though. Suppose you have an environment like the alleged one - or a least a "mild' version, with some systematic molestation. Maybe some of the kids are going to really go into such a bad place mentally that they generate false horrific images - and kind of believe them.
I wonder how much agreement there is between the victims. Too much agreement would indicate that maybe they spent too much time talking it over before they reported it. But if you have, say, three that agreed roughly on most of it and one that came up with tales of murders and babies in the basement and all?
No agreement on any of the details woudl be really hard - a reasonable person would suspect something happened, but you need evidence.
I'm just speculating and wandering here. I don't even have a clear pic of what might have happened. It's just if you leave a trail of bodies behind and you get busted, there is a pretty good chance they will find some of that trail.
I often wondered in general- if LE and the district attorney really felt a crime was committed in some case, but also knew they didn't have allowable evidence past a reasonable doubt, do they sometimes press charges anyhow? To give the perp something to think about?
> In Message-ID:<j6INm.56351$ze1.24...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> posted on > Sat, > 21 Nov 2009 02:18:55 GMT, JonesieCat wrote: Begin
>>Gamble said that he had visited the Mohler place over the years and had >>seen >>nothing suspicious. He called the deceased wife of the senior Burrell >>"very >>religious, very strict," and she would not have condoned any of the >>behavior >>listed in the many charges.
> Some folk are very successful at keeping up appearances.
Yep. And others don't see what they don't want to see.
> > No jars with notes --- only a few shards of glass. No reports of a > > missing > > man who could have been the victim of one of the alleged homicides. No > > baby > > in a shoebox buried in the basement. The stories get wilder and wilder, > > but > > the physical evidence: zip.
> To be fair, not *exactly zip.
> Anyway, here's what I find creepy, though it wasn't intended that way. > "Gamble" is a friend/supporter of the accused: > Gamble said that he had visited the Mohler place over the years and had > seen > nothing suspicious. He called the deceased wife of the senior Burrell > "very > religious, very strict," and she would not have condoned any of the > behavior > listed in the many charges.
> Uh oh.
> May be nothing. May turn out to be something afterall. Except for the dead > guy (IMHO).
The wilder the charges get, the less inclined I am to believe any of them.
I wonder though. Suppose you have an environment like the alleged one - or a least a "mild' version, with some systematic molestation. Maybe some of the kids are going to really go into such a bad place mentally that they generate false horrific images - and kind of believe them.
I wonder how much agreement there is between the victims. Too much agreement would indicate that maybe they spent too much time talking it over before they reported it. But if you have, say, three that agreed roughly on most of it and one that came up with tales of murders and babies in the basement and all?
No agreement on any of the details woudl be really hard - a reasonable person would suspect something happened, but you need evidence.
I'm just speculating and wandering here. I don't even have a clear pic of what might have happened. It's just if you leave a trail of bodies behind and you get busted, there is a pretty good chance they will find some of that trail.
I often wondered in general- if LE and the district attorney really felt a crime was committed in some case, but also knew they didn't have allowable evidence past a reasonable doubt, do they sometimes press charges anyhow? To give the perp something to think about?
Mick ------------ I think it could be any of the above, any of the possibilities you mention. So hard to know what went on, or even to know exactly how the multiple victims and alleged perps interacted. Some but not all seem to be brother and sister. And not all siblings seem to be implicated in anything at all. I find it convincing when an accuser receives support from others. But when is it over the top and venturing into the territory of the unbelievable?
> "Lars Eighner" <use...@larseighner.com> wrote in message > news:slrnhgeb32.1hjj.usenet@debranded.larseighner.com... >> In our last episode, <ulENm.56274$ze1.16...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >> the >> lovely and talented JonesieCat broadcast on alt.true-crime:
>> No jars with notes --- only a few shards of glass. No reports of a >> missing >> man who could have been the victim of one of the alleged homicides. No >> baby >> in a shoebox buried in the basement. The stories get wilder and wilder, >> but >> the physical evidence: zip.
> To be fair, not *exactly zip.
> Anyway, here's what I find creepy, though it wasn't intended that way. > "Gamble" is a friend/supporter of the accused: > Gamble said that he had visited the Mohler place over the years and had > seen nothing suspicious. He called the deceased wife of the senior Burrell > "very religious, very strict," and she would not have condoned any of the > behavior listed in the many charges.
> Uh oh.
All the more reason for the men to hide their behavior. As if devout religiousness and crime (especially sexual crime) never coexisted!
>> "Lars Eighner" <use...@larseighner.com> wrote in message >> news:slrnhgeb32.1hjj.usenet@debranded.larseighner.com... >>> In our last episode, <ulENm.56274$ze1.16...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>> the >>> lovely and talented JonesieCat broadcast on alt.true-crime:
>>> No jars with notes --- only a few shards of glass. No reports of a >>> missing >>> man who could have been the victim of one of the alleged homicides. No >>> baby >>> in a shoebox buried in the basement. The stories get wilder and wilder, >>> but >>> the physical evidence: zip.
>> To be fair, not *exactly zip.
>> Anyway, here's what I find creepy, though it wasn't intended that way. >> "Gamble" is a friend/supporter of the accused: >> Gamble said that he had visited the Mohler place over the years and had >> seen nothing suspicious. He called the deceased wife of the senior >> Burrell "very religious, very strict," and she would not have condoned >> any of the behavior listed in the many charges.
>> Uh oh.
> All the more reason for the men to hide their behavior. As if devout > religiousness and crime (especially sexual crime) never coexisted!
Yep. 'Strict and religious' can breed some seriously whacked behaviours. Or not. <shrug> Triggers alarm bells for me. Sometimes the devout are real scary.
>>>>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:4b06c7aa$0$1666$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>>>>> Bart Bailey wrote: >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ydhp2hy And they say city life is rough... >>>>>> Wait -- these so-called "victims" are all female, or do I miss my >>>>>> guess? >>>>> Did you read the article? >>>> Here another article from a few days later:
>>>> No jars with notes --- only a few shards of glass. No reports of a >>>> missing >>>> man who could have been the victim of one of the alleged homicides. No >>>> baby >>>> in a shoebox buried in the basement. The stories get wilder and wilder, >>>> but >>>> the physical evidence: zip. >>> To be fair, not *exactly zip.
>>> Anyway, here's what I find creepy, though it wasn't intended that way. >>> "Gamble" is a friend/supporter of the accused: >>> Gamble said that he had visited the Mohler place over the years and had >>> seen nothing suspicious. He called the deceased wife of the senior >>> Burrell "very religious, very strict," and she would not have condoned >>> any of the behavior listed in the many charges.
>>> Uh oh. >> All the more reason for the men to hide their behavior. As if devout >> religiousness and crime (especially sexual crime) never coexisted!
> Yep. 'Strict and religious' can breed some seriously whacked behaviours. Or > not. <shrug> Triggers alarm bells for me. Sometimes the devout are real > scary.
> jc
They are very scary because there is no place for logic in their core belief systems, and all things good and bad can be explained away as the whims of a higher power.
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