> >>> I knew there was a reason that I don't like electric windows. I wonder, > >>> if you had the money to buy a new car, if you could pay extra to get the > >>> manual ones? > >> Fresh water isn't going to short out your car's electrical systems. > >> Salt water might.
> > So why wouldn't fresh water short them out?
> Doesn't conduct electricity.
pure water doesn't. But pond water? I'm skeptical.
In any case, the water hits the battery and unless it is totally sealed and recently cleaned, there will be plenty of salts around.
SoCally wrote: >> I knew there was a reason that I don't like electric windows. I wonder, >> if you had the money to buy a new car, if you could pay extra to get the >> manual ones?
> I know what you mean. It's the first time I started thinking that > manual is better. Electric ones should at least have an emergency > latch or something.
> I think once you know you're in water, you can open the windows and > get out. I'm assuming their car lights still worked and they called > people and mentioned water, so they did have some time before they > sunk. It would be extremely easy to panic in that situation though.
> Windows are really hard to break from the inside. If you have a bat > and you're standing outside, no problem, but sitting down without > having the leg strength from standing or without a bat, would make it > pretty hard, even for these 3 who all seemed physically strong.
> It's a shame. I think if they were 100 percent sober, they must have > panicked and weren't able to think through what was happening. I'm > wondering why they called friends and not 911 first.
There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot.
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> SoCally wrote: > >> I knew there was a reason that I don't like electric windows. I wonder, > >> if you had the money to buy a new car, if you could pay extra to get the > >> manual ones?
> > I know what you mean. It's the first time I started thinking that > > manual is better. Electric ones should at least have an emergency > > latch or something.
> > I think once you know you're in water, you can open the windows and > > get out. I'm assuming their car lights still worked and they called > > people and mentioned water, so they did have some time before they > > sunk. It would be extremely easy to panic in that situation though.
> > Windows are really hard to break from the inside. If you have a bat > > and you're standing outside, no problem, but sitting down without > > having the leg strength from standing or without a bat, would make it > > pretty hard, even for these 3 who all seemed physically strong.
> > It's a shame. I think if they were 100 percent sober, they must have > > panicked and weren't able to think through what was happening. I'm > > wondering why they called friends and not 911 first.
> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car > window without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home > Depot.
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Here is a punch. Scroll down to see other options... which include a keychain version with a seatbelt cutter.
> >> > I knew there was a reason that I don't like electric windows. I wonder, > >> > if you had the money to buy a new car, if you could pay extra to get > >> > the > >> > manual ones?
> >> I know what you mean. It's the first time I started thinking that > >> manual is better. Electric ones should at least have an emergency > >> latch or something.
> >> I think once you know you're in water, you can open the windows and > >> get out. I'm assuming their car lights still worked and they called > >> people and mentioned water, so they did have some time before they > >> sunk. It would be extremely easy to panic in that situation though.
> >> Windows are really hard to break from the inside. If you have a bat > >> and you're standing outside, no problem, but sitting down without > >> having the leg strength from standing or without a bat, would make it > >> pretty hard, even for these 3 who all seemed physically strong.
> >> It's a shame. I think if they were 100 percent sober, they must have > >> panicked and weren't able to think through what was happening. I'm > >> wondering why they called friends and not 911 first.
> > Speed dial? I dunno, I don't have a cell phone. Maybe it being in the > > dark there, in the muddy water, made it really hard to think.
> > Peach > > --
> You don't have a cell phone?????!! EH?!?!?!?
> jc<---stunned
You have one? Ehhhh!!!
I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home sometimes?
>> >> > I knew there was a reason that I don't like electric windows. I >> >> > wonder, >> >> > if you had the money to buy a new car, if you could pay extra to get >> >> > the >> >> > manual ones?
>> >> I know what you mean. It's the first time I started thinking that >> >> manual is better. Electric ones should at least have an emergency >> >> latch or something.
>> >> I think once you know you're in water, you can open the windows and >> >> get out. I'm assuming their car lights still worked and they called >> >> people and mentioned water, so they did have some time before they >> >> sunk. It would be extremely easy to panic in that situation though.
>> >> Windows are really hard to break from the inside. If you have a bat >> >> and you're standing outside, no problem, but sitting down without >> >> having the leg strength from standing or without a bat, would make it >> >> pretty hard, even for these 3 who all seemed physically strong.
>> >> It's a shame. I think if they were 100 percent sober, they must have >> >> panicked and weren't able to think through what was happening. I'm >> >> wondering why they called friends and not 911 first.
>> > Speed dial? I dunno, I don't have a cell phone. Maybe it being in the >> > dark there, in the muddy water, made it really hard to think.
>> > Peach >> > --
>> You don't have a cell phone?????!! EH?!?!?!?
>> jc<---stunned
> You have one? Ehhhh!!!
> I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if > I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home > sometimes?
I use the "most basic model" (read: cheap) of pre-paid cell phone. That way, I have paid for my minutes in advance and I know exactly what is left. I seldom use it except for travel and to communicate when I plan to meet someone. I keep mine with me at all times for emergencies, but I never leave it turned on unless I am expecting a call--I don't want to be one of those people who seems to think they aren't functioning unless holding a phone to the ear, and I certainly don't want to be "available" at all times. However, it has come in very handy to make motel reservations, phone my sister when I'm visiting and know I will be late, emergency calls when my mother was in a nursing home, etc.
> >> "realpch" <real...@aol.com> wrote in message > >> > Speed dial? I dunno, I don't have a cell phone. Maybe it being in the > >> > dark there, in the muddy water, made it really hard to think.
> >> You don't have a cell phone?????!! EH?!?!?!?
> > I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if > > I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home > > sometimes?
> I use the "most basic model" (read: cheap) of pre-paid cell phone. That > way, I have paid for my minutes in advance and I know exactly what is left. > I seldom use it except for travel and to communicate when I plan to meet > someone. I keep mine with me at all times for emergencies, but I never > leave it turned on unless I am expecting a call-
I'm with MaryL. There is a payphone in the urban park near me from which I dialed 911 three different times (One was a false alarm, I think. One was actually funny. One was for a car accident.)
It's a good idea to carry one. Good for travelling, too.
> I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if > I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home > sometimes?
> Peach
We cancelled our home phone, because it cost more than our cellphone (and we get free long-distance on the cell). It's also easier to screen calls, and you don't get phone spam.
Of course, I don't text or tweet. I find those and Facebook offensive.
>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car >> window without much force. I think you can get it at a store like >> Home Depot.
>> Kathy
> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they > tried something like that?
Oh, I didn't see it. Sorry. I saw the tool demonstrated on the news and just believed it. When they did it, the window just shattered.
> > There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window > > without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot.
> > Kathy
> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they > tried something like that?
> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get out, until the water > pressure has equalized.
> Kris
Um, Kris... after shattering the window, is crawling out acceptable?... or do I still have to wait for the car to fill up?
>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car >>> window without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home >>> Depot.
>>> Kathy
>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they >> tried something like that?
> Oh, I didn't see it. Sorry. I saw the tool demonstrated on the news and > just believed it. When they did it, the window just shattered.
> Kathy
I don't know if it's the same tool, but they used some kind of "punch" thing supposedly made for just that purpose, and it didn't work well for them. Underwater.
> I use the "most basic model" (read: cheap) of pre-paid cell phone. That > way, I have paid for my minutes in advance and I know exactly what is left. > I seldom use it except for travel and to communicate when I plan to meet > someone. I keep mine with me at all times for emergencies, but I never > leave it turned on unless I am expecting a call--I don't want to be one of > those people who seems to think they aren't functioning unless holding a > phone to the ear, and I certainly don't want to be "available" at all times. > However, it has come in very handy to make motel reservations, phone my > sister when I'm visiting and know I will be late, emergency calls when my > mother was in a nursing home, etc.
> MaryL
Yes, I'm surprised that there haven't been headlines, such as "Woman Murdered for Talking on Cell Phone in Produce Aisle". Really, they can drive you mad. I am amused by the apparent epidemic of people walking down the street talking to themselves. I've finally trained myself to look for the earpiece phone.
> > I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if > > I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home > > sometimes?
> > Peach
> We cancelled our home phone, because it cost more than > our cellphone (and we get free long-distance on the > cell). It's also easier to screen calls, and you don't get > phone spam.
> Of course, I don't text or tweet. I find those and Facebook > offensive.
> kris
I have been reading of people doing that to save money. I'm a semi-Luddite, and I cling to my old phone number. I am profoundly uninterested in texting, tweeting, and social networking sites. I've yet to come up with a polite response to people I know emailing me with invites to same.
> In Message-ID:<4AF36E03.4CCA...@aol.com> posted on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 > 16:29:55 > -0800, realpch wrote: Begin
>>I am amused by the apparent epidemic of people walking >>down the street talking to themselves. I've finally trained myself to >>look for the earpiece phone.
> Nowadays instead of merely dismissing self talkers as fringers, > I've come to look for the blinking blue light. The loonies are still > there, > but their ranks haven't swelled as much as it looked for awhile.
I've yet to see anyone with a Bluetooth ear set that didn't look like a Lt. Uhuru Wanna-A-Be.....
>> > I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if >> > I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home >> > sometimes?
>> > Peach
>> We cancelled our home phone, because it cost more than >> our cellphone (and we get free long-distance on the >> cell). It's also easier to screen calls, and you don't get >> phone spam.
>> Of course, I don't text or tweet. I find those and Facebook >> offensive.
>> kris
> I have been reading of people doing that to save money. I'm a > semi-Luddite, and I cling to my old phone number. I am profoundly > uninterested in texting, tweeting, and social networking sites. I've yet > to come up with a polite response to people I know emailing me with > invites to same.
> ;-)
> Peach
We don't do it to save money; if so, we'd have cancelled our home phone before we left home for 75% of the past three years ;)
We find it more convenient to not have a phone full of messages from people we don't care about.
>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window >>> without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot. >>> Kathy >> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they >> tried something like that?
>> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get out, until the water >> pressure has equalized.
>> Kris
> Um, Kris... after shattering the window, is crawling out > acceptable?... or do I still have to wait for the car to fill up?
Umm, Alison -- you're welcome to crawl out any time you want, but good luck moving against the flow of water.
> >>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window > >>> without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot. > >>> Kathy > >> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they > >> tried something like that?
> >> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get out, until the water > >> pressure has equalized.
> >> Kris
> > Um, Kris... after shattering the window, is crawling out > > acceptable?... or do I still have to wait for the car to fill up?
> Umm, Alison -- you're welcome to crawl out any time you want, > but good luck moving against the flow of water.- Hide quoted text -
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Not if the car is still floating. If I don't already have the window down 10 seconds after hitting the water... damn if I'm gonna patiently sit there and wait for it to sink before I pop the window.
>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window without >> much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot.
>> Kathy
> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters > link.....where they tried something like that?
> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get > out, until the water pressure has equalized.
Are you trying to play smart? Don't try. Because it doesn't change, when you are an idiot. The water pressure is always stable in each and every point. But it's easier to get out with water inside the cab... -- _____________________________________________________
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On Nov 4, 3:30 pm, SoCally <foaa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can't imagine that alcohol wasn't involved since they could have > gotten out of the car in time with such a small amount of water.
> One negative aspect of automatic windows is that if the car is off, > you can't get the windows down. Still they "should" have had enough > time to escape by the door.
How do you drive into a pond with the vehicle off? Another question I have is... what about the automatic door lock? That would certainly screw up any possibility of escape if you couldn't bust any windows out. I get the heebie jeebies just thinking about it. These newer vehicles are death traps in water.
>>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car >>>> window without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home >>>> Depot.
>>>> Kathy
>>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they >>> tried something like that?
>> Oh, I didn't see it. Sorry. I saw the tool demonstrated on the news and >> just believed it. When they did it, the window just shattered.
>> Kathy
> I don't know if it's the same tool, but they used some kind of > "punch" thing supposedly made for just that purpose, and it > didn't work well for them. Underwater. <<
Did you even read your own link? According to the mythbusters, the punch and the window-breaking hammer both worked on the first try:
>> You can open a window in a submerged car by attempting to break the window
using a window-breaking hammer. CONFIRMED The device is designed with a pointed tip designed to shatter tempered glass. The hammer breaks the window on the first try.
You can open a window in a submerged car by attempting to break the window using a spring-loaded center punch. CONFIRMED The point of the punch can work like the tip of the hammer, and punches are sold for the purpose of breaking window glass. The punch breaks the window on the first try. <<
>> >> > I knew there was a reason that I don't like electric windows. I >> >> > wonder, >> >> > if you had the money to buy a new car, if you could pay extra to get >> >> > the >> >> > manual ones?
>> >> I know what you mean. It's the first time I started thinking that >> >> manual is better. Electric ones should at least have an emergency >> >> latch or something.
>> >> I think once you know you're in water, you can open the windows and >> >> get out. I'm assuming their car lights still worked and they called >> >> people and mentioned water, so they did have some time before they >> >> sunk. It would be extremely easy to panic in that situation though.
>> >> Windows are really hard to break from the inside. If you have a bat >> >> and you're standing outside, no problem, but sitting down without >> >> having the leg strength from standing or without a bat, would make it >> >> pretty hard, even for these 3 who all seemed physically strong.
>> >> It's a shame. I think if they were 100 percent sober, they must have >> >> panicked and weren't able to think through what was happening. I'm >> >> wondering why they called friends and not 911 first.
>> > Speed dial? I dunno, I don't have a cell phone. Maybe it being in the >> > dark there, in the muddy water, made it really hard to think.
>> > Peach >> > --
>> You don't have a cell phone?????!! EH?!?!?!?
>> jc<---stunned
> You have one? Ehhhh!!!
> I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if > I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home > sometimes?
> Peach > --
Only leave it at home if I forget it. I don't like talking on the phone in the best of times, never have. For work I need to have it with me.
>> > I admit, they must be handy, but they're not free, and I don't know if >> > I'd want to available to others at all times. Do you leave yours home >> > sometimes?
>> > Peach
>> We cancelled our home phone, because it cost more than >> our cellphone (and we get free long-distance on the >> cell). It's also easier to screen calls, and you don't get >> phone spam.
>> Of course, I don't text or tweet. I find those and Facebook >> offensive.
>> kris
> I have been reading of people doing that to save money. I'm a > semi-Luddite, and I cling to my old phone number. I am profoundly > uninterested in texting, tweeting, and social networking sites. I've yet > to come up with a polite response to people I know emailing me with > invites to same.
> ;-)
> Peach
Texting is how friends and I make social plans: Someone texts others of us in a single message where to meet and when. Then we sit down for a good face to face chat and catch-up. I don't like talking on the phone much and nobody has the time. I only talk to people I don't get to see so much. With so much of my family and other friends in a diff country, I've tried to accommodate their preferences too. But tweeting doesn't do it for me, thought it would because it's so brief, but much ado about nothing seems to me. I'm trying out facebook but it takes more time than I thought (not good). Good to see photos there that other people post though, even those who live near for that matter.
Alison MacIntyre wrote: > On Nov 5, 7:27 pm, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote: >> Alison MacIntyre wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 4:37 pm, "Kris Baker" <parallelcoo...@ggmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Kathy" <kb...@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>> news:7lgldoF3elt96U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window >>>>> without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot. >>>>> Kathy >>>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they >>>> tried something like that? >>>> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get out, until the water >>>> pressure has equalized. >>>> Kris >>> Um, Kris... after shattering the window, is crawling out >>> acceptable?... or do I still have to wait for the car to fill up? >> Umm, Alison -- you're welcome to crawl out any time you want, >> but good luck moving against the flow of water.- Hide quoted text -
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> Not if the car is still floating. If I don't already have the window > down 10 seconds after hitting the water... damn if I'm gonna patiently > sit there and wait for it to sink before I pop the window.
I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't just open the damn window if it's not already submerged.
I believe we've already established that most electric windows will still work, at least if it's fresh water...
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