>>>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car >>>>> window without much force. I think you can get it at a store like >>>>> Home >>>>> Depot.
>>>>> Kathy
>>>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they >>>> tried something like that?
>>> Oh, I didn't see it. Sorry. I saw the tool demonstrated on the news >>> and >>> just believed it. When they did it, the window just shattered.
>>> Kathy
>> I don't know if it's the same tool, but they used some kind of >> "punch" thing supposedly made for just that purpose, and it >> didn't work well for them. Underwater. <<
> Did you even read your own link? According to the mythbusters, the punch > and > the window-breaking hammer both worked on the first try:
>>> You can open a window in a submerged car by attempting to break the >>> window > using a window-breaking hammer. > CONFIRMED > The device is designed with a pointed tip designed to shatter tempered > glass. > The hammer breaks the window on the first try.
> You can open a window in a submerged car by attempting to break the window > using a spring-loaded center punch. > CONFIRMED > The point of the punch can work like the tip of the hammer, and punches > are > sold for the purpose of breaking window glass. The punch breaks the window > on > the first try. <<
> Amy (back to lurking)
You're right, I said that *completely* wrong.
But.....the water pressure problem may still exist. If you can break the window before the water appears in the window, you can probably get out. Otherwise, the water's going to flood in as soon as you break it....and you have to wait (at which point, you could have opened the door or window, as they describe).
On Nov 6, 12:55 pm, Bart Bailey <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> In > Message-ID:<f9ddad8c-8fe9-4be9-972b-fca8b6cc4...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> > posted on Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:38:34 -0800 (PST), Alison MacIntyre wrote: Begin
> >How do you drive into a pond with the vehicle off?
> Like Susan Smith's kids did, > but of course they were too young to unstrap their seatbelts > let alone negotiate an exit.
> Alison MacIntyre wrote: > > On Nov 5, 7:27 pm, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote: > >> Alison MacIntyre wrote: > >>> On Nov 5, 4:37 pm, "Kris Baker" <parallelcoo...@ggmail.com> wrote: > >>>> "Kathy" <kb...@verizon.net> wrote in message > >>>>news:7lgldoF3elt96U1@mid.individual.net... > >>>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window > >>>>> without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot. > >>>>> Kathy > >>>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they > >>>> tried something like that? > >>>> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get out, until the water > >>>> pressure has equalized. > >>>> Kris > >>> Um, Kris... after shattering the window, is crawling out > >>> acceptable?... or do I still have to wait for the car to fill up? > >> Umm, Alison -- you're welcome to crawl out any time you want, > >> but good luck moving against the flow of water.- Hide quoted text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> > Not if the car is still floating. If I don't already have the window > > down 10 seconds after hitting the water... damn if I'm gonna patiently > > sit there and wait for it to sink before I pop the window.
> I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't just open the damn > window if it's not already submerged.
If I'm a passenger and the driver is unconscious and the windows/doors have all been master locked by the driver... what are my options sitting in a dark vehicle that is totally unfamiliar to me... as we slowly sink into oblivion?
> I believe we've already established that most electric windows
> will still work, at least if it's fresh water...- Hide quoted text -
Fresh water doesn't mean distilled. It still has conductants that can short out a system.
Alison MacIntyre wrote: > On Nov 6, 10:13 am, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote: >> Alison MacIntyre wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 7:27 pm, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote: >>>> Alison MacIntyre wrote: >>>>> On Nov 5, 4:37 pm, "Kris Baker" <parallelcoo...@ggmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Kathy" <kb...@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7lgldoF3elt96U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car window >>>>>>> without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home Depot. >>>>>>> Kathy >>>>>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they >>>>>> tried something like that? >>>>>> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get out, until the water >>>>>> pressure has equalized. >>>>>> Kris >>>>> Um, Kris... after shattering the window, is crawling out >>>>> acceptable?... or do I still have to wait for the car to fill up? >>>> Umm, Alison -- you're welcome to crawl out any time you want, >>>> but good luck moving against the flow of water.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Not if the car is still floating. If I don't already have the window >>> down 10 seconds after hitting the water... damn if I'm gonna patiently >>> sit there and wait for it to sink before I pop the window. >> I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't just open the damn >> window if it's not already submerged.
> If I'm a passenger and the driver is unconscious and the windows/doors > have all been master locked by the driver... what are my options > sitting in a dark vehicle that is totally unfamiliar to me... as we > slowly sink into oblivion?
> In Message-ID:<0001HW.C7199D3803579B8FB01AD...@news.eternal-september.org> > posted on Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:30:32 -0400, Amy Guskin wrote: Begin
>> Amy (back to lurking)
> Now there's a name I haven't seen in awhile. > Howya been, starting to get cool back there? <<
Thanks for asking. Sick as a dog with H1N1, actually. I still read here daily, and enjoy many of the posters (you included). Others, not so much. Still not remotely tempted to start posting in earnest again. :-)
>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:52:44 -0400, Bart Bailey wrote > (in article <4af57e3e.1860...@bart.spawar.mil>):
>> In >> Message-ID:<0001HW.C7199D3803579B8FB01AD...@news.eternal-september.org> >> posted on Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:30:32 -0400, Amy Guskin wrote: Begin
>>> Amy (back to lurking)
>> Now there's a name I haven't seen in awhile. >> Howya been, starting to get cool back there? <<
> Thanks for asking. Sick as a dog with H1N1, actually. I still read here > daily, and enjoy many of the posters (you included). Others, not so much. > Still not remotely tempted to start posting in earnest again. :-)
> Amy
Amy, I've just sent my strong healing powers your way!
We'd like to see you post, but heck....if we provide entertainment, we're not doing a bad job.
>>> In >>> Message-ID:<0001HW.C7199D3803579B8FB01AD...@news.eternal-september.org> >>> posted on Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:30:32 -0400, Amy Guskin wrote: Begin
>>>> Amy (back to lurking)
>>> Now there's a name I haven't seen in awhile. >>> Howya been, starting to get cool back there? <<
>> Thanks for asking. Sick as a dog with H1N1, actually. I still read here >> daily, and enjoy many of the posters (you included). Others, not so >> much. >> Still not remotely tempted to start posting in earnest again. :-)
>> Amy
> Amy, I've just sent my strong healing powers your way!
> We'd like to see you post, but heck....if we provide entertainment, > we're not doing a bad job.
>>> In >>> Message-ID:<0001HW.C7199D3803579B8FB01AD...@news.eternal-september.org> >>> posted on Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:30:32 -0400, Amy Guskin wrote: Begin
>>>> Amy (back to lurking)
>>> Now there's a name I haven't seen in awhile. >>> Howya been, starting to get cool back there? <<
>> Thanks for asking. Sick as a dog with H1N1, actually. I still read here >> daily, and enjoy many of the posters (you included). Others, not so much. >> Still not remotely tempted to start posting in earnest again. :-)
>> Amy
> Amy, I've just sent my strong healing powers your way! <<
Aww, thanks, Kris! Actually, the Tamiflu is doing an astonishingly good job. Rather than feeling like I am _dying_ of the flu, after a day and a half on it I merely feel like I am sick as a dog with the flu.
>> We'd like to see you post, but heck....if we provide entertainment, > we're not doing a bad job. <<
You're definitely earning every penny you're being paid. ;-)
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:09:25 -0400, JonesieCat wrote
(in article <Fx5Jm.52786$ze1.15...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> Amy! Don't lurk. Post! <<
Thanks, JonesieCat -- I might, I might! What brought me out of lurkdom was the fact that this is sort of my pet subject. I'm one of those people who is afraid of driving over bridges. It's not about the height; it's about the possibility of the car ending up in the water. And I knew Kris didn't mean what she posted!
>>>>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car >>>>>> window without much force. I think you can get it at a store like >>>>>> Home >>>>>> Depot.
>>>>>> Kathy
>>>>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they >>>>> tried something like that?
>>>> Oh, I didn't see it. Sorry. I saw the tool demonstrated on the news >>>> and >>>> just believed it. When they did it, the window just shattered.
>>>> Kathy
>>> I don't know if it's the same tool, but they used some kind of >>> "punch" thing supposedly made for just that purpose, and it >>> didn't work well for them. Underwater. <<
>> Did you even read your own link? According to the mythbusters, the punch >> and >> the window-breaking hammer both worked on the first try:
>>>> You can open a window in a submerged car by attempting to break the >>>> window >> using a window-breaking hammer. >> CONFIRMED >> The device is designed with a pointed tip designed to shatter tempered >> glass. >> The hammer breaks the window on the first try.
>> You can open a window in a submerged car by attempting to break the >> window >> using a spring-loaded center punch. >> CONFIRMED >> The point of the punch can work like the tip of the hammer, and punches >> are >> sold for the purpose of breaking window glass. The punch breaks the >> window on >> the first try. <<
>> Amy (back to lurking)
> You're right, I said that *completely* wrong.
> But.....the water pressure problem may still exist. If you can break > the > window before the water appears in the window, you can probably > get out. Otherwise, the water's going to flood in as soon as you > break it....and you have to wait (at which point, you could have > opened the door or window, as they describe).
>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:09:25 -0400, JonesieCat wrote > (in article <Fx5Jm.52786$ze1.15...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>> Amy! Don't lurk. Post! <<
> Thanks, JonesieCat -- I might, I might! What brought me out of lurkdom > was > the fact that this is sort of my pet subject. I'm one of those people who > is > afraid of driving over bridges. It's not about the height; it's about the > possibility of the car ending up in the water. And I knew Kris didn't > mean > what she posted!
> Alison MacIntyre wrote: > > On Nov 5, 7:27 pm, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote: > >> Alison MacIntyre wrote: > >>> On Nov 5, 4:37 pm, "Kris Baker" <parallelcoo...@ggmail.com> wrote: > >>>> "Kathy" <kb...@verizon.net> wrote in message > >>>>news:7lgldoF3elt96U1@mid.individual.net... > >>>>> There is a small inexpensive pointed device that will shatter a car > >>>>> window > >>>>> without much force. I think you can get it at a store like Home > >>>>> Depot. > >>>>> Kathy > >>>> You didn't read my post with the mythbusters link.....where they > >>>> tried something like that? > >>>> A tire iron WILL work....but you still won't get out, until the water > >>>> pressure has equalized. > >>>> Kris > >>> Um, Kris... after shattering the window, is crawling out > >>> acceptable?... or do I still have to wait for the car to fill up? > >> Umm, Alison -- you're welcome to crawl out any time you want, > >> but good luck moving against the flow of water.- Hide quoted text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> > Not if the car is still floating. If I don't already have the window > > down 10 seconds after hitting the water... damn if I'm gonna patiently > > sit there and wait for it to sink before I pop the window.
> I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't just open the damn > window if it's not already submerged.
If I'm a passenger and the driver is unconscious and the windows/doors have all been master locked by the driver... what are my options sitting in a dark vehicle that is totally unfamiliar to me... as we slowly sink into oblivion?
> I believe we've already established that most electric windows
> will still work, at least if it's fresh water...- Hide quoted text -
Fresh water doesn't mean distilled. It still has conductants that can short out a system.
> - Show quoted text -
Another problem for those in the back seat is that rear windows often will only open part-way. Add panic to that and the difficulty of climbing over the front seat (plus darkness), and it all adds up to catastrophe.
Amy Guskin wrote: > >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:09:25 -0400, JonesieCat wrote > (in article <Fx5Jm.52786$ze1.15...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> > Amy! Don't lurk. Post! <<
> Thanks, JonesieCat -- I might, I might! What brought me out of lurkdom was > the fact that this is sort of my pet subject. I'm one of those people who is > afraid of driving over bridges. It's not about the height; it's about the > possibility of the car ending up in the water. And I knew Kris didn't mean > what she posted!
> Amy
I had a friend who wasn't afraid of regular bridges, just drawbridges. I had no idea of her fear until we were up in Portland and about to cross over to Washington. She was driving, went into a big panic when she saw the drawbridge sign, turned around and said she couldn't do it. I can't even remember how we got over. Probably took another non-drawbridge since there are other bridges to cross there.
> Amy Guskin wrote: >>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:09:25 -0400, JonesieCat wrote >> (in article <Fx5Jm.52786$ze1.15...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>>> Amy! Don't lurk. Post! <<
>> Thanks, JonesieCat -- I might, I might! What brought me out of lurkdom was >> the fact that this is sort of my pet subject. I'm one of those people who >> is >> afraid of driving over bridges. It's not about the height; it's about the >> possibility of the car ending up in the water. And I knew Kris didn't mean >> what she posted!
>> Amy
> I had a friend who wasn't afraid of regular bridges, just drawbridges. > I had no > idea of her fear until we were up in Portland and about to cross over > to Washington. > She was driving, went into a big panic when she saw the drawbridge > sign, turned > around and said she couldn't do it. I can't even remember how we got > over. > Probably took another non-drawbridge since there are other bridges to > cross there. <<
Oof! Your poor friend. For me, it comes and goes, and some bridges are worse than others. I go over the Verrazano a lot, so I'm sort of inured to it -- except in a high wind -- but I almost froze and had to pull over on the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Maryland a few weeks ago. I was ill just looking at it as we approached! I told my husband, never again -- we'll have to find another route next time! The only way I managed to keep driving was because he started quizzing me on members of 80s girl bands to keep my mind focused elsewhere, until we got all the way over. It worked. Thank you, Bangles, Go Gos, and Bananarama!
Amy -- Ten Thousand Questions A Question a Day for Journaling, Self-Discovery, and Transformation "2009 is the Year of Questions" tenthousandquestions.com
>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:11:36 -0400, earthage wrote > (in article > <79f9f307-603b-4339-a426-60e6a0e28...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>):
>> Amy Guskin wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:09:25 -0400, JonesieCat wrote >>> (in article <Fx5Jm.52786$ze1.15...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>>>> Amy! Don't lurk. Post! <<
>>> Thanks, JonesieCat -- I might, I might! What brought me out of lurkdom >>> was >>> the fact that this is sort of my pet subject. I'm one of those people >>> who >>> is >>> afraid of driving over bridges. It's not about the height; it's about >>> the >>> possibility of the car ending up in the water. And I knew Kris didn't >>> mean >>> what she posted!
>>> Amy
>> I had a friend who wasn't afraid of regular bridges, just drawbridges. >> I had no >> idea of her fear until we were up in Portland and about to cross over >> to Washington. >> She was driving, went into a big panic when she saw the drawbridge >> sign, turned >> around and said she couldn't do it. I can't even remember how we got >> over. >> Probably took another non-drawbridge since there are other bridges to >> cross there. <<
> Oof! Your poor friend. For me, it comes and goes, and some bridges are > worse than others. I go over the Verrazano a lot, so I'm sort of inured > to > it -- except in a high wind -- but I almost froze and had to pull over on > the > Francis Scott Key Bridge in Maryland a few weeks ago. I was ill just > looking > at it as we approached! I told my husband, never again -- we'll have to > find > another route next time! The only way I managed to keep driving was > because > he started quizzing me on members of 80s girl bands to keep my mind > focused > elsewhere, until we got all the way over. It worked. Thank you, Bangles, > Go > Gos, and Bananarama!
> Amy
Heh. You see, you live where there's too many bridges. Well..... you could be in Pittsburgh!
Move to the desert. The bridges we have, are pretty much over other roads or in places where a trickle comes through once in awhile. Our biggest rivers are like, uh, 50 feet wide.
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