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Greegor  
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From: Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:20:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 5:20 am
Subject: Diana Napolis, koOky former California CPS Caseworker
On Nov 2, 12:12 pm, Cat in Seattle <mntl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well said.

The person you answered appears to be Diana Napolis,
famous for being a mentally ill California caseworker.

The person obsessively posts about the
SAME OBSESSIONS as Diana Napolis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lMyMi3UdQ

The regulars here have almost given up on
answering the stuff she SPAMS to various
related newsgroups.

She tends to not answer questions or comments,
operating in a sort of blind cult-like mode.

Learn more about her by Googling Diana Napolis or
Karen "Curio" Jones one of her old alias names.

Her own blog is so mentally ill that it's funny.

CPS didn't dump her out for being so extremely mentally ill
until she made national headlines and to avoid the
PR disaster they dumped her.

Targeted families are regularly and routinely ordered
into psych evals with no probable cause (Constitution?)
but I have NEVER heard of a family succeeding at
getting the caseworker ordered into a psych eval.

Of course, if they did, they would probably rig the
hell out of the psych eval anyway, and if it went
badly it would become almost top secret!

The caseworker's HIPAA privacy rights you know!

LOL

Could you imagine having Napolis sitting in judgement
of YOUR family?

She actually believes this mentally ill crap
that false allegations of child sexual abuse
are extremely rare.

The CLASSIC where a 14 year old girl tells
such LIES to get rid of a new stepdad because
she wants Mom all to herself is well known.

Caseworkers KNOW how common that one is,
although they pretend that it's not, because
they take advantage of those BS cases
to secure their jobs as you said.

There's a MYTH that lots of caseworkers
spew that kids do not lie.

It's likewise, profitable for caseworkers to
push this lie.

Another variation I've run across several times
is that the case gets sorted out and Mom
actually doesn't want the BRAT back because
she needs to protect the OTHER kids and
new stepdad from the
...

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From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:34:19 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 10:34 am
Subject: Re: Diana Napolis, koOky former California CPS Caseworker
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:20:32 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[...]

    I've never seen a post from CA about Jennifer Love Hewitt.  I
admit I don't read much of what CA posts, so it is possible.
    Could you supply the MID and.or Google link to at least one post
from CA about Jennifer?

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9_lMyMi3UdQ

>The regulars here have almost given up on
>answering the stuff she SPAMS to various
>related newsgroups.

    I have to give you that.  Everyone has accepted CA isn't
interested in the truth.

>She tends to not answer questions or comments,
>operating in a sort of blind cult-like mode.

>Learn more about her by Googling Diana Napolis or
>Karen "Curio" Jones one of her old alias names.

     You have yet to offer any proof that CA and Diana are the same
person.
     Their posting styles are very similar, but that doesn't make them
the same person.

>Her own blog is so mentally ill that it's funny.

>CPS didn't dump her out for being so extremely mentally ill
>until she made national headlines and to avoid the
>PR disaster they dumped her.

>Targeted families are regularly and routinely ordered
>into psych evals with no probable cause (Constitution?)
>but I have NEVER heard of a family succeeding at
>getting the caseworker ordered into a psych eval.

     Which is just how you like it.  Right, Mr. CPS?

>Of course, if they did, they would probably rig the
>hell out of the psych eval anyway, and if it went
>badly it would become almost top secret!

     How does one rig an eval?  Be specific.

>The caseworker's HIPAA privacy rights you know!

     They have the same privacy rights as anyone else.

>LOL

>Could you imagine having Napolis sitting in judgement
>of YOUR family?

     Just mention that Jennifer Love Hewitt is an alien and she'd
think you're fine.

>She actually believes this mentally ill crap
>that false allegations of child sexual abuse
>are extremely rare.

     The stats support the claim.

>The CLASSIC where a 14 year old girl tells
>such LIES to get rid of a new stepdad because
>she wants Mom all to herself is well known.

     It's a shame there's nothing to suggest that's all that happened
with you.
     Oh wait, you were LYING about your case in hopes that parents
would trust you and do as you suggest.  Said suggestions would ensure
they would lose to CPS, just as you want.

>Caseworkers KNOW how common that one is,
>although they pretend that it's not, because
>they take advantage of those BS cases
>to secure their jobs as you said.

     Is that what you do?

>There's a MYTH that lots of caseworkers
>spew that kids do not lie.

     Kids can and do lie.  The question is, will they know enough
about matters of sexual intercourse to lie about it?

>It's likewise, profitable for caseworkers to
>push this lie.

     Do you get a bonus for each family you tear apart, Greg?

>Another variation I've run across several times
>is that the case gets sorted out and Mom
>actually doesn't want the BRAT back because
>she needs to protect the OTHER kids and
>new stepdad from the little hellraiser.

>Ironically, the girl who falsely claimed rape
>stands a BIG percentage chance of being
>raped over and over in Foster care.

     Please offer cites for your claim.  Unless you're lying.

>It can be a nasty cosmic justice in that sort of case.

>In some of these cases, where the kid LIED
>to get into foster care, her complaints about being
>raped are written off as LIES, by the same
>people who much earlier said that kids don't lie!

    Please offer cites for your claim.  Unless you're lying.

>But Diana is the most extrerme of the KOOK
>caseworkers in that she genuinely sees abuse
>behind almost EVERY door!

>She thinks ritual stanic child abuse is common!

     Given human nature, I can accept that there are adults who abuse
children in the manner most would see as Satanic ritual abuse.  It
would be very rare, of course.

>Can you imagine a nut case like her accusing you
>of Munchausens By Proxy?   I bet she did!

     I've seen nothing to support that Diana has ever spoken to or
about Cat.
     Upon what do you place your bet?

>She's never said so, but you just KNOW that
>Diana claims she was abused as a child.

     If she's never said so, how could she claim it?

>This kind of thing came up in discussions of
>a news story recently when a kid shot
>his Dad to death claiming his Dad disciplined
>him too much.

>I asked if ANY kid doesn't think that ANY
>discipline is too much!

     And I made you look the fool you are regarding that.

>I bet EVERY kid thinks they are SO VERY
>put upon, so abused when they are disciplined
>in any way, spanking or not!

>It's like asking somebody if they could
>use more money.  Who would not say yes?

     Bill Gates?

>Kids compare notes to see who's got it
>the WORST, and the winner of this wierd
>whiney contest is considered cool somehow.

    Please offer a cite for this.  Unless you're lying.

>We have an entire CULTURE of people
>falsely claiming victimhood.

     Gregory Scott Hanson is exhibit A.

>Whether Diana truly was abused as a child, or
>whether her mental illness has her falsely
>BELIEVING she was, EITHER WAY, somebody
>like that should NOT be a CPS caseworker!

     One of the few things upon which you and I can agree.  Diana is
far too unstable to be a caseworker.
     You have a ways to go before you reach her level of mental
illness.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825f...@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

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From: Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
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misc.kids,alt.support.foster-parents,uk.people.parents,alt.support.child-pr otective-services

With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.)  After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end.  I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water.  Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms.  I brought her up and she
gasped for air.  When she'd caught her breath, I asked her,  "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo?  Pokemon?  Rhianna?"
She shook her head.  "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded.  She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."

"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.

--a true story


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From: Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:09:20 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 12:09 am
Subject: Re: Diana Napolis, koOky former California CPS Caseworker
G >Well said.
G >
G > The person you answered appears
G > to be Diana Napolis, famous for
G > being a mentally ill California caseworker.
G >
G > The person obsessively posts about the
G > SAME OBSESSIONS as Diana Napolis.

KBW > I've never seen a post from CA about
KBW > Jennifer Love Hewitt.  I admit I don't
KBW > read much of what CA posts, so it
KBW > is possible.  Could you supply the
KBW > MID and.or Google link to at least
KBW > one post from CA about Jennifer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lMyMi3UdQ

Anybody can look up Diana Napolis AKA Karen "Curio" Jones.
Almost as easily as looking up Kent Bradley Wills.

http://www.bbs.ca.gov/pdf/enf_docs/fy0304/mf2003530.pdf

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/Napolis.pdf

http://members.cox.net/court50/lettertohume.pdf

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/misc.legal/2008-06/msg00...

This is my FAVORITE.   Diana wrote to try to overturn
some old research results that said that satanic
child abuse does not exist.  She used the
pseudonym Rory Hume and complained that
the professor involved wrote back to her under
her real name!

She tried to complain that it was unprofessional!

Do you think some professional should take
the word of some famous nutcase using
a bogus name, to change their research results?

http://members.cox.net/court50/lettertohume.pdf

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Date: Monday, April 14, 2008 10: 11 AM From: Rory Hume
<Rory.H...@ucop.edu> To: Steven Beckwith <steven.beckw...@ucop.edu>,
d...@cox.net Cc: Barry Klein <bmkl...@ucdavis.edu>, Bob Dynes
<robert.dy...@ucop.edu> Subject: Re: Complaint about suspected
Academic Fraud
Excellent, Steve. Perfectly handled. Thanks. Rory
On 4/14/08 9:03 AM, "Steven Beckwith" <steven.beckw...@ucop.edu>
wrote:
Dear Ms. Napolis,
Your April 9, 2008 e-mail, copied below, to Chancellor Vanderhoef at
the University of California, Davis was forwarded to me by Executive
Vice President and Provost Hume here at the Office of the President. I
have communicated with Vice Chancellor Barry Klein about your e-mail.
In addition to serving as the Vice Chancellor for Research, Dr. Klein
is the campus Institutional Official responsible for managing
allegations of research misconduct made against employees of the Davis
campus. I have asked him to review your allegations and to take
appropriate actions based on his assessment. I expect that you will
hear shortly from the campus about this matter.
Sincerely,
Steven Beckwith
Vice President for Research and Graduate Studies
Office of the President
University of California
------Forwarded Message
From: <d...@cox.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:20: 12 -0700
To: <Invanderh...@ucdavis.edu>
Cc: <rory.h...@ucop.edu>, <dgres...@blumecapital.com>
Subject: Complaint about suspected Academic Fraud
Ritual Court Cases Project 6977 Navajo Rd. PMB 114
San Diego, California 92119-1503 619-873-5917
April 9, 2008,
Per the instructions of the Office of the Secretary of the Regents, I
am
proceeding with a request for further administrative review of the
research
study, "Characteristics and Sources of Allegations of Ritualistic
Child
Abuse," by Dr. Gail Goodman, principal researcher at UC Davis, Phil
Shaver,
and Bette Bottoms, published in 1994.
On July 13, 2007 I sent a series of brief questions to Gail Goodman of
UC
Davis requesting feedback about the issues I raised about this study
in case
http://webmail.west.cox.netJdo/maillmessage/preview?msgId=importantDE...
9/21/2008
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I had come to any wrong conclusions. Because I received no response
from Dr.
Goodman, I elevated the matter to Keith Widiman, Chairman of the
Psychology
Department, and Steve Sheflin, Dean, who also provided no response.
In December 2007 I conducted a more thorough review of this pivotal
research
study -which purported to find no "scientific" evidence of the satanic
cult abuse of children -and discovered what I believe to be many
irregularities. In lieu of a rational explanation which might explain
these
irregularities it appears that academic fraud occurred.
My background is as a Court Intervention Social worker for Child
Protective
Services with a specialization in the investigation of ritual abuse. I
established the Ritual Court Cases Project in 1994 and published my
archive
of court cases on the internet which proved the existence of SRA. This
archive now includes over 80 cases and is posted at
http://www.endritualabuse.org/ritualabusearchive.htm. I am now
returning to
my research which is, of course, lawful activity.
The problems in the research study "Characteristics and Sources of
Allegations of Ritualistic Child Abuse" in my opinion are many, the
most
outstanding of which is 1) the researchers claimed to have analyzed
the
legal findings of Social Services in the United States about the legal
outcomes of satanic ritual abuse cases and yet there was no mention of
Juvenile Court proceedings or petitions filed. Instead, the
researchers used
social worker case opening and closing codes which are not legal
findings.
2) The researchers claimed to have discovered no scientific evidence
proving
intergenerational satanic cult abuse yet their perpetratorjvictim
relationship scale measured only one generation.
The lead researcher Gail Goodman gave an interview about this study in
1994
to New York Times reporter Daniel Goleman for his article titled
"Proof
Lacking for Ritual Abuse by Satanists," in which the numbers that had
been
analyzed in this study were grossly inflated which caused Mr. Goleman
to
erroneously conclude: "In a survey of more than 11,000 psychiatric and
police workers throughout the country, conducted for the National
Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect, researchers found more than 12,000
accusations of
group cult sexual abuse based on satanic ritual, but no one that
investigators had been able to substantiate. "
The above claim is a completely false statement. The researchers did
not
receive this high of a return rate.
On January 2, 2008 I sent a 53 page critique of this study to UC Davis
Vice-Chancellor Loessberg-Zahl, requesting that he address the issues
that I
had raised. I chose to correspond under the pseudoynm "Ellen Geykus"
because
I am currently on probation in San Diego County (which should end in a
few
months) and I did not want UC Davis officials to divert from the
issues and
focus on my probationary status.
On February 7, 2008 I received a dismissive letter by Mr. Zahl who had
discovered my real name, Diana Napolis, and addressed his letter to
"Diana
Napolis." In order to discover my real name, someone would have had to
search the internet for my postal address. The only place on the
internet
which lists my postal address is at endritualabuse.org I believe this
search for my real name to be also highly irregular.
Ms. Zahl claimed that he had not discovered any researcher misconduct
and,
as I suspected would happen, Mr. Zahl informed me that he had
contacted the
campus police and advised me that there was no further reason to
contact Dr.
Goodman. My fellow colleagues and I believe that this was an attempt
to
intimidate me from asserting my right to question this research study.
http://webmail.west.cox.net!do/mail/message/preview?msgId=importantDE...
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Because I am requesting that a serious investigation into academic
fraud occur, I obviously have no interest in contacting the lead
researcher.
I am requesting that further review of this study take place by UC
Davis Chancellor Mr. Larry Vanderholf, the Provost of Academic
Affairs, Rory K. Hume, and Chairperson of the Regents office.
I sent this 53 page critique as an attachment file. The questions were
meant to be directed to the researchers involved via an intermediary.
If the entire file is not received, please inform me and I will send
it through the postal mail.
Sincerely,
Diana I\lapolis
cc: Rory K. Hume Richard Blum
------End of Forwarded Message
------End of Forwarded Message

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From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:08:48 -0600
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 10:08 am
Subject: Re: Diana Napolis, koOky former California CPS Caseworker
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:09:20 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
wrote:

     And just as easily as anyone can look up your two convictions for
BEATING your ex-wife, your claim that you are on Iowa's Child Abuse
Registry, and so on.
     What would any of it have to do with your claim that CA posts
about Jennifer Love Hewitt?  You did write that they obsessively post
about the SAME OBSESSIONS.
     Are you going to offer proof of your claim, or will you continue
to try and distract from it, as you did in the part of your post I
snipped, since you can't prove your FACT CLAIM?

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825f...@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

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From: Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
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With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.)  After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end.  I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water.  Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms.  I brought her up and she
gasped for air.  When she'd caught her breath, I asked her,  "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo?  Pokemon?  Rhianna?"
She shook her head.  "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded.  She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."

"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.

--a true story


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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:40:45 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: Diana Napolis, koOky former California CPS Caseworker
What are you arguing about and why, Kent?

You didn't actually LOOK at those links did you?


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From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:21:27 -0600
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 10:21 am
Subject: Re: Diana Napolis, koOky former California CPS Caseworker
 On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:40:45 -0800 (PST), Greegor

<greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What are you arguing about and why, Kent?

     If you didn't NEED to prove, once again, that your illegal drug
use and abuse, (unless you lied about using and abusing illegal drugs)
makes honesty IMPOSSIBLE for you, except by accident or force, you
wouldn't have snipped where I made my possition very clear.
     You made the FACT CLAIM that CA and Diana are the same person. As
of my writing this, you've failed to prove your claim.  In fact,
you've offered nothing to support your FACT CLAIM.
     You made the FACT CLAIM they obsessively post about the same
thing.  Not once has CA posted about Jennifer Love Hewitt. There is
nothing to indicate that CA cares anything about JLH.

>You didn't actually LOOK at those links did you?

     I did look.  Nothing in them supports, let alone proves, your
FACT CLAIM that CA is Diana.

     Have you failed to notice that many of the claims presented by CA
are no more outrageous than the vast majority of your own?
     Does that make you also a kook?  By your standards, it should. Of
course, you are psychologically UNABLE to allow yourself to be held to
the same standards you DEMAND for others.
     You present a persona that is even more unbalanced than the one
presented by CA.  Get off the drugs you admit you use and abuse, then
get the mental health care your years of using and abusing illegal
drugs has made necessary.
     Be a good little monkey and RUN from the TRUTH I've presented.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825f...@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

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With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.)  After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end.  I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water.  Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms.  I brought her up and she
gasped for air.  When she'd caught her breath, I asked her,  "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo?  Pokemon?  Rhianna?"
She shook her head.  "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded.  She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."

"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.

--a true story


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From: Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:19:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: Diana or Michelle "childadvocate" trying to sell recovered memories
Diana or Michelle, Could you please explain your
PERSONAL connection to these issues?

The reason you push this recovered memories crap
is that you're a mental case who claims to have
discovered your own ""abuse"" through
""recovered memories"", right?

Did you trash your relationship with your
own parents based on the hocum from
some ""recovered memories"" kook?

So now you're too horrified to admit that
it was all a bunch of garbage, right?

I see how in late 2008 Diana tried using a fake
identity to harass a university researcher in
an attempt to get them to change their results.

Diana posted the proof of this online herself!

She was put out that the professor wrote
back to her using her REAL name.

She claimed this was unprofessional behavior on his part!

The research that Diana wanted to REVERSE
concluded that ritual satanic child abuse
does not exist.

The reason I still think you ARE Diana is that
you apparently consider yourself a childadvocate.

That's a prety close match with Diana's brain rot.

What gives YOU the right to pretend you are
advocating for children?

That's a classic position for the misfits at CPS.

Who ELSE would attempt to claim such
a bogus aire of officialdom?  (""childadvocate"")


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From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:22:26 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 12:22 am
Subject: Re: Diana or Michelle "childadvocate" trying to sell recovered memories
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:19:08 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
wrote:

     What does Diana have to do with CA?  Be specific and prepared to
be made to look the fool.  Unless you're too much a coward to answer.

>She was put out that the professor wrote
>back to her using her REAL name.

>She claimed this was unprofessional behavior on his part!

>The research that Diana wanted to REVERSE
>concluded that ritual satanic child abuse
>does not exist.

>The reason I still think you ARE Diana is that
>you apparently consider yourself a childadvocate.

     Are you so screwed up from your drug use that you believe Diana
is the ONLY person who can be a child advocate?
     Serious question.

>That's a prety close match with Diana's brain rot.

>What gives YOU the right to pretend you are
>advocating for children?

>That's a classic position for the misfits at CPS.

>Who ELSE would attempt to claim such
>a bogus aire of officialdom?  (""childadvocate"")

     Just because you HATE families, as PROVED by your extremely
pro-CPS stance, doesn't mean everyone else is, Greg.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825f...@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

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With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.)  After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end.  I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water.  Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms.  I brought her up and she
gasped for air.  When she'd caught her breath, I asked her,  "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo?  Pokemon?  Rhianna?"
She shook her head.  "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded.  She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."

"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.

--a true story


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From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:43:02 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 9:43 am
Subject: Re: Diana or Michelle "childadvocate" trying to sell recovered memories
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:22:26 -0600, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>Who ELSE would attempt to claim such
>>a bogus aire of officialdom?  (""childadvocate"")

>     Just because you HATE families, as PROVED by your extremely
>pro-CPS stance, doesn't mean everyone else is, Greg.

     That sentence is just painful!
     I meant to write, "...doesn't mean everyone else does, Greg."
     I apologize for any confusion my poor proofreading may have
caused.

--
"Kent"


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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:01:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 9:01 am
Subject: David Daniel Moore DOB 9/26/70
G > Kent, Do you know why this person uses
G > their own Rip Off of the Wiki name?
G >
G > Wiki rejected their crap!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...

DDM > "Wiki" is the name of an open source software.
DDM >  It's not an entity, stupid.  It can't "reject" anything.

So when Wiki rejected YOUR BS, Dave, who
was it that put their foot down and said no?

Was it software?

Do you think this idiocy is enhancing your
image as a script kiddy?

Aren't you underestimating just how many people
will know that you are deliberately telling lies?

Don't you think a few people out there
will KNOW that Wiki does reject attempts
to hijack Wiki for harassment or propaganda
purposes?

Certainly YOU would know that, since
you made such an attempt, it got rejected.

Diana Napolis and/or this Michelle person
have similarly been rejected in such attempts.

http://empirereport.org/reports/20091012-wikipedia-credibility

Wikipedia: credibility just a click away
Posted by Ben Pack at Oct 13, 2009 08:05 PM

Filed under: Oak Leaf, classroom journalism, SRJC, commentary
In this commentary, the Oak Leaf's Ben Pack examines the Wikipedia's
editorial process, concluding that the site does not deserve its
reputation for being a tainted resource.

Your Philosophy teacher assigns you a research paper on some German
guy named Immanuel Kant. You forget about it until the day before it’s
due. After freaking out and swearing you will never procrastinate
again, what is your first step?

If you are like most college students, you Google him and odds are,
click on the first link, his Wikipedia page. But you hesitate. The
warning words that teachers have been passed for years enter your
brain. “If you get your information from Wikipedia, you’re going to
get bad information.”

So here you sit with only a few hours left to write eight pages and a
wealth of information in front of you that you have been told is
tainted. Well I am here to tell you that Wikipedia is not only a
viable source, but also may be the most important tool for a college
student.

For those of you not in the know, Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia.
What makes it both massive and full of useful information is also what
makes it controversial. Anyone who registers for a free account can go
into most stories and edit the information.

This allows good Samaritans to go in and add their carefully
researched and thoughtful edits to articles, but also allows for the
Scourges of the Internet to go into articles and change it to say
things like, “Jay Leno died from a heroin overdose administered by
JFK.”

The website urges edits to be backed up with citation, usually done by
linking to another website. These links provide a point of entry for
anyone who needs to do research further than the info solely offered
on Wikipedia.

Many people only use these links because they are worried of what
false info they might find in the actual article, but those people
need to chill out and keep reading.

Wikipedia lives on the theory that there are more people who would be
willing to help than people willing to harm. Most people who use
Wikipedia won’t even edit it in the first place. A study by Jimmy
Wales (cofounder of Wikipedia) shows that less than 1 percent of users
perform more than half of the edits. Of the people who do edit
articles, there are very devoted editors who take their job seriously.

What casual Wikipedia users do not know, is that your “Joe Random-
Editor” does not have total editing privelages. As a matter of fact,
many “high profile” articles are locked from casual editors, such as
Barack Obama, God, and Wikipedia’s own Wikipedia page. This is so that
people cannot go into, say, Mahatma Gandhi’s page and talk about his
illegitimate love child with Marilyn Monroe.

Recently, Wikipedia has been in the news for announcing that anybody
can edit an article. That means that if you spot something that you
know is missing or wrong, you can fill out an edit on it and it will
either be confirmed or denied by a veteran editor. This will weed out
the internet crazies from the helpful people, better than your mom
sorting the darks from the lights on laundry day.

Are you feeling better about Wikipedia? I hope so, because Wikipedia
is one of the most helpful resources out there for any college student
in a jam. Immanuel Kant once spent 10 years trying to explain both how
humans acquire data and how they process data. I bet he could have got
it done in five minutes using Wikipedia.

David Daniel Moore DOB 9/26/70

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=850+Buffalo+Avenue,+Calumet+City,...

If the STREET VIEW button doesn't show up, click
on the address in bold blue on the left, then
click on STREET VIEW to see Davey's bunker!

Parcel details

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/ParcelDetails.asp?PIN=30182330330000

Map

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/MapIndex.asp?action=parcel&PIN=30182330330000

Photo

http://198.173.15.21/AssessorPics/GeoSpan/30182330330000.jpg

http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/data/searchflat/ParcelImage.asp?pin...

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=850+Buffalo+Avenue,+Calumet+City,...

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people...

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people...

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+av...

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/ParcelDetails.asp?PIN=30182330330000

Cook County Assessor's Office: Property Search Details
Property Index Number: 30-18-233-033-0000
View Property Picture
View Property Map
Address : 850 Buffalo Ave
City : Calumet City
Township :  Thornton
Neighborhood : 61
Taxcode : 37030
Assessed Valuation
2008
First Pass Assessment 2007
Board of Review Certified
Land Assessed Value 3,025
 2,521
Building Assessed Value 16,434
 14,957
Total Assessed Value 19,459
 17,478
Estimated Market Value 121,619
 109,238
Property Characteristics
Class:  2-11
Description : Two to Six Apartments, Over 62 Years
Residence Type Two Story
Use Multi Family
Apartments Two
Exterior Construction Masonry
Full Baths 2
Half Baths 0
Basement1 Partial and Rec Room
Attic None
Central Air No
Number of Fireplaces 1
Garage Size/Type2 2.5 car detached
Building Square Footage:  1,752
Land Square Footage 6,304
Assessment Pass First Pass
Age: 27
Land Square Footage: 6,304
1 Excluded from Building Square footage, except apartment
2 Excluded from Building Square footage

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/...

Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

David Daniel Moore court records: David D. Moore
DOB 9/26/70  850 Buffalo Avenue, Calumet City, IL
case 64D 060706FD 4989 Monday June 4th 2007
Class D Felony, Assault on somebody under 14 years old
pretrial February 8th 8:30  hearing on March 12th 1PM
The North Porter County complex is in Portage, Indiana
219 759 8219 no e-records, won't fax or e-mail records
paid $2000 bond, Attorney Robert Harper Portage, Indiana
does not have a probation officer pre-trial

-------------------------­­-------------

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...

On Jan 30, 4:08 am, freedom  <aboutKRP...> wrote:
G > Dave tried to say this was me.

DDM > No, I didn't.  <snip>
-------------------------­­-------------

http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/Superior/out/a24025_04.pdf

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/WebDocketSheets/OtherCriteria.aspx?mode=cp

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us
Public Calendar schedule
E-Services (button)
Public Web Docket Sheets (dropdown menu)
Court of Common Pleas (dropdown button CLICK)

Common Pleas Docket sheet page

Search type: CP/MP Docket Number
Docket number (fill in these blanks) CP-48-CR-0002394-2002

CLICK the search button.

further down the page this appears:

CP-48-CR-0002394-2002 Comm. v. Hanson, Gregory 8/1/2002 12:00:00 AM
Northampton Hanson, Gregory Christian Closed H5648506 10/17/1975

If you look closely at the left end of that there is a graphic box.
Put your mouse over it and a drop down menu appears offering
Docket Sheet or
Court Summary
Select Docket Sheet

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CPReport.aspx?matterID=6127...

COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 1 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
CASE INFORMATION
Judge Assigned: Moran, William F. Date Filed: 08/01/2002 Initiation
Date: 08/01/2002
OTN: H5648506 Lower Court Docket No: CR-0000212-02
Initial Issuing Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger Final Issuing
Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger
Arresting Agency: Forks Twp Police Dept Arresting Officer: Affiant
Case Local Number Type(s) Case Local Number(s)
Legacy Docket Number C-48-CR-2002-2394

[ Snipped for brevity. ]

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CourtSummaryReport.aspx?mat...

Northampton County Court of Common Pleas
Court Summary
Hanson, Gregory Christian
Frackville, PA 179312699
Aliases:
Hanson, Gregory
Hanson, Gregory C.
DOB:10/17/1975
Race:Caucasian
Hair:
Eyes:
Sex:Male
Closed
Northampton
CP-48-CR-0001279-1999
Arrest Dt: 05/03/1999

[ Snipped for brevity. ]

Keywords:

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INTERNET STALKER CON ARTIST David Daniel Moore,
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From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:09:28 -0600
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 11:09 am
Subject: Re: David Daniel Moore DOB 9/26/70
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:01:56 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>G > Kent, Do you know why this person uses
>G > their own Rip Off of the Wiki name?
>G >
>G > Wiki rejected their crap!

     Interesting.  You quote something directed at me that you posted
to a group you KNOW I don't read.
     Why do you post questions to me in a group you know I don't read?
Do you think you're being clever?  Do you think you'll be able to
claim you've won something because I didn't respond?

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...

>DDM > "Wiki" is the name of an open source software.
>DDM >  It's not an entity, stupid.  It can't "reject" anything.

>So when Wiki rejected YOUR BS, Dave, who
>was it that put their foot down and said no?

    Prove David submitted it, a win for you, or admit your use and
abuse of illegal drugs has forced you to lie once again, another loss
for you.

>Was it software?

>Do you think this idiocy is enhancing your
>image as a script kiddy?

    Please prove David partakes in any aspect of the hacker scene, a
win for you, or admit your use and abuse of illegal drugs has force
you to lie once again, another loss for you.

>Aren't you underestimating just how many people
>will know that you are deliberately telling lies?

     Where is the lie?

>Don't you think a few people out there
>will KNOW that Wiki does reject attempts
>to hijack Wiki for harassment or propaganda
>purposes?

     I think this is well known.
     What does it have to do with David?

>Certainly YOU would know that, since
>you made such an attempt, it got rejected.

     Prove he made such an attempt, unless you're lying.

>Diana Napolis and/or this Michelle person
>have similarly been rejected in such attempts.

     And this means what, exactly?
     That you so fear the truth that you're bringing CA into a
discussion that has nothing to do with her?
     And why are you still using and abusing illegal drugs?  You've
already admitted, freely, that it's your use and abuse of illegal
drugs that forces you to stalk the members of alt.friends.  Since
you're still stalking (by the very definition you posted to accuse
others of stalking you) the members, you must still be using and
abusing illegal drugs.
     Get the help you've once again PROVED you need, Greg.  I'm being
very serious.  I don't mean it as the insult it may appear to be.

[snip of Greg's latest PROOF that he believes he is exempt from any
and all laws, copyright law in this case, and his posting of
information he KNOWS isn't about the David Moore we know]

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825f...@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

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Newsgroups:
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With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.)  After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end.  I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water.  Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms.  I brought her up and she
gasped for air.  When she'd caught her breath, I asked her,  "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo?  Pokemon?  Rhianna?"
She shook her head.  "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded.  She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."

"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.

--a true story


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Subject: Re: David Daniel Moore DOB 9/26/70
On Nov 9, 5:09 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please don't cross posts any messages to alt.support.child-protective-
services that don't have anything to do with child abuse.

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:42:46 +0100
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Subject: Re: (innocent third party's info removed to thwart Ken's harassment)

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Kent, Do you know why this person uses
>G > their own Rip Off of the Wiki name?
>G >
>G > Wiki rejected their crap!

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...
>3216e88e0fdded8

>DDM > "Wiki" is the name of an open source software.
>DDM > =A0It's not an entity, stupid.  It can't "reject" anything.

>So when Wiki rejected YOUR BS, Dave,

Nobody has "rejected" anything of mine.  Least of all, not an inanimate
piece of open source software.

> who
>was it that put their foot down and said no?

>Was it software?

>Do you think this idiocy is enhancing your
>image as a script kiddy?

I don't have such an image, despite the fact that Ken has given you a new
phrase to try to implement.

>Aren't you underestimating just how many people
>will know that you are deliberately telling lies?

As far as I can tell, that would be "none."  Ken's been proved a liar so
many times it's not even funny...and you're little more than a sockpuppet
who reposts what he tells you to.

>Don't you think a few people out there
>will KNOW that Wiki does reject attempts
>to hijack Wiki for harassment or propaganda
>purposes?

Not anybody with any form of intelligence.  They'd be likely to comprehend
that "Wiki" is a piece of software technology, and can't "reject" anything
or make any decisions whatsoever.

Your statement is akin to saying that a "letter to the editor" didn't get
published because "word processor technology" rejected it.

>Certainly YOU would know that, since
>you made such an attempt, it got rejected.

I've made no form of "attempt," and really have no idea what you're
babbling out.  Can you ask Ken to clarify for you before you post again?
Or, better yet, just have him post it from his Roadrunner account rather
than ordering you to post it?  We all know it's coming from him anyway.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn of KRP Consulting, 3648 Cockatoo Drive,
New Port Richey, Florida

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
--Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services **,
in a verbal threat to his girlfriend

"Carol Ann you don't KNOW shit! Youy are LYING! ...... Jesus Christ you are=

one DESPICABLE CUNT!!!! ....Bitch you are GUTTER SLIME!"
--Kenneth Pangborn, from a usenet argument with a female debator,
highlighting his typical views on women

"Rumors about ken are true, he is a bad man. That is why both my mother and=

I ran out of there as fast as we could back in the late summer of 2002. He
ruined my life and my moms life....His business is a scam, as he is in the
rest of his life. He enjoys child pornography and was investigated for that=

as well....he'll call my mom 20 times a day until she answers...[Ken's
sister-in-law Rebecca Reilly] wouldnt come over to our house anymore
because of how he would talk to her and come on to her....and he had over
180 pictures of her on his computer"
--Ken Pangborn's daughter Megan

"Blood, breath or urine?"
--question to Ken Pangborn from a Florida police officer in November 2008,
during a traffic stop from which Pangborn was subsequently charged with
DUI**

"...beating [some kids] into a bloody pulp is the ONLY thing=20
that would get through to them."=20
--Ken Pangborn on child rearing

** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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From: Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:36:40 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 3:36 am
Subject: David Daniel Moore DOB 9/26/70
David Daniel Moore DOB 9/26/70

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=850+Buffalo+Avenue,+Calumet+City,...

If the STREET VIEW button doesn't show up, click
on the address in bold blue on the left, then
click on STREET VIEW to see Davey's bunker!

Parcel details

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/ParcelDetails.asp?PIN=30182330330000

Map

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/MapIndex.asp?action=parcel&PIN=30182330330000

Photo

http://198.173.15.21/AssessorPics/GeoSpan/30182330330000.jpg

http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/data/searchflat/ParcelImage.asp?pin...

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=850+Buffalo+Avenue,+Calumet+City,...

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people...

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people...

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+av...

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/ParcelDetails.asp?PIN=30182330330000

Cook County Assessor's Office: Property Search Details
Property Index Number: 30-18-233-033-0000
View Property Picture
View Property Map
Address : 850 Buffalo Ave
City : Calumet City
Township :  Thornton
Neighborhood : 61
Taxcode : 37030
Assessed Valuation
2008
First Pass Assessment 2007
Board of Review Certified
Land Assessed Value 3,025
 2,521
Building Assessed Value 16,434
 14,957
Total Assessed Value 19,459
 17,478
Estimated Market Value 121,619
 109,238
Property Characteristics
Class:  2-11
Description : Two to Six Apartments, Over 62 Years
Residence Type Two Story
Use Multi Family
Apartments Two
Exterior Construction Masonry
Full Baths 2
Half Baths 0
Basement1 Partial and Rec Room
Attic None
Central Air No
Number of Fireplaces 1
Garage Size/Type2 2.5 car detached
Building Square Footage:  1,752
Land Square Footage 6,304
Assessment Pass First Pass
Age: 27
Land Square Footage: 6,304
1 Excluded from Building Square footage, except apartment
2 Excluded from Building Square footage

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/...

Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

David Daniel Moore court records: David D. Moore
DOB 9/26/70  850 Buffalo Avenue, Calumet City, IL
case 64D 060706FD 4989 Monday June 4th 2007
Class D Felony, Assault on somebody under 14 years old
pretrial February 8th 8:30  hearing on March 12th 1PM
The North Porter County complex is in Portage, Indiana
219 759 8219 no e-records, won't fax or e-mail records
paid $2000 bond, Attorney Robert Harper Portage, Indiana
does not have a probation officer pre-trial

-------------------------­­-------------

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...

On Jan 30, 4:08 am, freedom  <aboutKRP...> wrote:
G > Dave tried to say this was me.

DDM > No, I didn't.  <snip>
-------------------------­­-------------

http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/Superior/out/a24025_04.pdf

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/WebDocketSheets/OtherCriteria.aspx?mode=cp

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us
Public Calendar schedule
E-Services (button)
Public Web Docket Sheets (dropdown menu)
Court of Common Pleas (dropdown button CLICK)

Common Pleas Docket sheet page

Search type: CP/MP Docket Number
Docket number (fill in these blanks) CP-48-CR-0002394-2002

CLICK the search button.

further down the page this appears:

CP-48-CR-0002394-2002 Comm. v. Hanson, Gregory 8/1/2002 12:00:00 AM
Northampton Hanson, Gregory Christian Closed H5648506 10/17/1975

If you look closely at the left end of that there is a graphic box.
Put your mouse over it and a drop down menu appears offering
Docket Sheet or
Court Summary
Select Docket Sheet

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CPReport.aspx?matterID=6127...

COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 1 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
CASE INFORMATION
Judge Assigned: Moran, William F. Date Filed: 08/01/2002 Initiation
Date: 08/01/2002
OTN: H5648506 Lower Court Docket No: CR-0000212-02
Initial Issuing Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger Final Issuing
Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger
Arresting Agency: Forks Twp Police Dept Arresting Officer: Affiant
Case Local Number Type(s) Case Local Number(s)
Legacy Docket Number C-48-CR-2002-2394

[ Snipped for brevity. ]

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CourtSummaryReport.aspx?mat...

Northampton County Court of Common Pleas
Court Summary
Hanson, Gregory Christian
Frackville, PA 179312699
Aliases:
Hanson, Gregory
Hanson, Gregory C.
DOB:10/17/1975
Race:Caucasian
Hair:
Eyes:
Sex:Male
Closed
Northampton
CP-48-CR-0001279-1999
Arrest Dt: 05/03/1999

[ Snipped for brevity. ]

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From: childadvocate <smartn...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:54:37 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 4:54 am
Subject: Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information - WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer
WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY
"Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been
reviewed by people with the expertise required to provide you with
complete, accurate or reliable information."

"However, Wikipedia cannot guarantee the validity of the information
found here. The content of any given article may recently have been
changed, vandalized or altered by someone whose opinion does not
correspond with the state of knowledge in the relevant fields."

"Wikipedia is not uniformly peer reviewed; while readers may correct
errors or engage in casual peer review, they have no legal duty to do
so and thus all information read here is without any implied warranty
of fitness for any purpose or use whatsoever."

--
Basic points about wikipedia

1) There is no guarantee its information is correct.

2) Its editors are anonymous and may be biased about the topic they
are writing about and may be unqualified to write encyclopedia
articles.

3) There is inconsistent or no fact checking, depending on the
article.

4) The rules of wikipedia at times are used to control article content
and delete other content from strong sources.

5) Experts working on certain topics in wikipedia may be derided and
discouraged from contributing to certain articles.

Therefore, one is probably better off reading a real encyclopedia or
journal article, due to the high potential for reading inaccurate
information and a slanted or biased article.
--

There have been problems with wikipedia in the past that have found it
to be an unreliable source of information and editor bias can help
shape articles to the views of the more powerful editors there.

These problems include:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm
Wikipedia 'shows CIA page edits'
An online tool that claims to reveal the identity of organisations
that edit Wikipedia pages has revealed that the CIA was involved in
editing entries.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/22/wikipedia_vandalism_crackdown/
Jimbo Wales ends death by Wikipedia
Kennedy murder shames online cult
By Cade Metz in San Francisco
On Tuesday afternoon, following a Washington luncheon celebrating the
inauguration of President Barack Obama, longtime US Senators Ted
Kennedy and Robert Byrd kicked the proverbial bucket. At least, that's
what happened in Wikiland. In our world, they're still among the
living.

Wikipedia black helicopters circle Utah's Traverse Mountain
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/06/wikipedia_and_overstock/
Wikipedia is not a democracy. But the totalitarian attitudes of the
site's ruling clique go much further than Jimbo cares to acknowledge.
In early September, the Wikipedia inner circle banned edits from 1,000
homes and one massive online retailer in an attempt to suppress the
voice of one man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomis
Bomis is a dot-com company founded in 1996. Its primary business is
the sale of advertising on the Bomis.com search portal. It was founded
by Jimmy Wales and Tim Shell, and provided support for the free
encyclopedia projects Nupedia and Wikipedia....
Bomis ran a website called Bomis Premium at premium.bomis.com until
2005, offering customers access to premium, X-rated[3] pornographic
content.

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2005/12/69880
Wales has also repeatedly revised the description of a search site he
founded called Bomis, which included a section with adult photos
called "Bomis Babes."

The word on Wikipedia: Trust but verify
Popular online encyclopedia, plagued by errors, troubles educators
By Lisa Daniels and Alex Johnson
msnbc.com and NBC News
March. 29, 2007
Lisa Daniels
Correspondent
MIDDLEBURY, Vt. - Neil Waters had never seen anything quite like it.
“I was looking at a stack of final examinations,” said Waters, a
professor of Japanese studies at Middlebury College in Vermont, “and I
found several instances of misinformation that [were] identical from
one student to another.” All of those students in Waters’ Japanese
history class late last year had been steered wrong by the same source
— Wikipedia, the sprawling online encyclopedia that has revolutionized
how ordinary people find information....
For Middlebury College’s history department, the answer is plain: Not
totally, and not always. The department banned students from using it
as a source in their papers, although they are allowed to consult it
for background material, a move that was quickly mimicked by
professors at other schools, including UCLA and the University of
Pennsylvania....
Just this year, a Wikipedia entry falsely proclaimed that the comedian
Sinbad was dead. (“Saturday, I rose from the dead,” he said.) Golfer
Fuzzy Zoeller sued last month to find out who anonymously posted,
falsely, that he abused drugs. And a prolific and highly trusted
contributor believed to be a professor was unmasked as a 24-year-old
college dropout.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17740041/

10 Questions: Jimmy Wales 3/21/07
How can I persuade my teachers to allow me to use Wikipedia as a
legitimate research source?—Kaitlyn Grigsby, Medina, Ohio
I would agree with your teachers that that isn't the right way to use
Wikipedia. The site is a wonderful starting point for research. But
it's only a starting point because there's always a chance that
there's something wrong, and you should check your sources if you are
writing a paper.
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1601491,00.html

One great source -- if you can trust it
By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff  |  July 12, 2004
So of course Wikipedia is popular. Maybe too popular. For it lacks one
vital feature of the traditional encyclopedia: accountability. Old-
school reference books hire expert scholars to write their articles,
and employ skilled editors to check and double-check their work.
Wikipedia's articles are written by anyone who fancies himself an
expert....

Ross admits to reading and enjoying Wikipedia, and has even gotten
ideas there for future Britannica articles. But the absence of
traditional editorial controls makes Wikipedia unsuited to serious
research. "How do they know it's accurate?" Ross asks. "People can put
down anything."
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2004/07/12/one_gre...

See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign By John
Borland  08.14.07
Wikipedia Scanner -- the brainchild of Cal Tech computation and neural-
systems graduate student Virgil Griffith -- offers users a searchable
database that ties millions of anonymous Wikipedia edits to
organizations where those edits apparently originated, by cross-
referencing the edits with data on who owns the associated block of
internet IP addresses....
The online encyclopedia allows anyone to make edits, but keeps
detailed logs of all these changes. Users who are logged in are
tracked only by their user name, but anonymous changes leave a public
record of their IP address....
Griffith thus downloaded the entire encyclopedia, isolating the XML-
based records of anonymous changes and IP addresses. He then
correlated those IP addresses with public net-address lookup services
such as ARIN, as well as private domain-name data provided by
IP2Location.com.
The result: A database of 34.4 million edits, performed by 2.6 million
organizations or individuals ranging from the CIA to Microsoft to
Congressional offices, now linked to the edits they or someone at
their organization's net address has made.
Some of this appears to be transparently self-interested, either
adding positive, press release-like material to entries, or deleting
whole swaths of critical material.
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker

Wikipedia and Beyond
Jimmy Wales' sprawling vision
Katherine Mangu-Ward | June 2007 Print Edition
"Wales moved to Chicago and became a futures and options trader. After
six years of betting on interest rates and currency fluctuations, he
made enough money to pay the mortgage for the rest of his life. In
1998 he moved to San Diego and started a Web portal, Bomis, which
featured, among other things, a "guy-oriented search engine" and
pictures of scantily clad women. The en déshabillé ladies have since
caused trouble for Wales, who regularly fields questions about his
former life as a "porn king." In a typically blunt move, Wales often
responds to criticism of his Bomis days by sending reporters links to
Yahoo's midget porn category page. If he was a porn king, he suggests,
so is the head of the biggest Web portal in the world.
Bomis didn't make it big-it was no Yahoo-but in March 2000 the site
hosted Nupedia, Wales' first attempt to build a free online
encyclopedia. Wales hired Larry Sanger, at the time a doctoral
candidate in philosophy at Ohio State, to edit encyclopedia articles
submitted voluntarily by scholars, and to manage a multistage peer
review process."
"Wikipedia does fail sometimes. The most famous controversy over its
accuracy boiled over when John Seigenthaler Sr., a former assistant to
Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, wrote about his own Wikipedia
entry in a November 2005 USA Today op-ed. The entry on Seigenthaler
included a claim that he had been involved in both Kennedy
assassinations. "We live in a universe of new media," wrote
Seigenthaler, "with phenomenal opportunities for worldwide
communications and research-but populated by volunteer vandals with
poison-pen intellects." The false claim had been added to the entry as
a prank in May 2005. When Seigenthaler contacted Wikipedia about the
error in October, Wales personally took the unusual step of removing
the false allegations from the editing history on the page, wiping out
the publicly accessible records of the error.
"Wikipedia's other major scandal hasn't been quite as easy for Wales
to laugh off, because he was the culprit. In 2005 he was caught with
his hand on the edit button, taking
...

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From: childadvocate <smartn...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:12:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:12 am
Subject: Loftus' work has been rebutted. Her work has been misinterpreted and overextrapolated to imply that it applies to traumatic memory.
Loftus' work has been fully rebutted. There are many "experts" in the
field of memory. Her work has been misinterpreted and overextrapolated
to imply that it applies to traumatic memory. Traumatic memory is
stored differently in the brain. Studies on "regular" memory do NOT
apply to traumatic memory.

Look up Bessel van der Kolk's work.

van der Kolk, B. A. (1994). The body keeps the score: Memory and the
evolving psychobiology of post traumatic stress.
http://www.trauma-pages.com/a/vanderk4.php

van der Kolk, B. A. & Fisler, R. (1995) Dissociation and the
fragmentary nature of traumatic memories: Overview and exploratory
study.
http://www.trauma-pages.com/a/vanderk2.php

Loftus is very biased in her interpretation of traumatic memory. There
is NO evidence that traumatic memory can be created through
manipulation.

Loftus' work has been heavily critiqued.

Several studies and authors have found significant flaws in the
Loftus' Lost in the Mall study. A similar study by Pezdek in 1995
found that none of the study participants accepted an erroneous memory
that they had received a painful enema as a child.[1][2] Crook states
that the Lost in a Shopping Mall study’s application to therapy
situations appears to be “limited to a narrowly defined and perhaps
even unlikely situation” and states that the study’s “internal
scientific methodological errors cast doubt on the validity of the
claims” of the study.[3] [1]Crook also states that it has been
demonstrated that the “methods, data, and assumptions in the mall
study have not been subjected to rigorous scientific scrutiny” yet its
results have been reported to the media to support the claim that
“therapists can implant false memories of childhood trauma.”[2] Pope
also questions the study. He questions the analogy of a memory of
being lost in the mall as being equivalent to that of child rape. He
also talks about the problem of confounding variables in the study. If
an older family member claims to have seen the “false” memory, can a
therapist make the same claim? And should this research be applied to
“false” memories in therapy?[4][5] Others have also critiqued Loftus’
scholarship and accuracy[6] or that Loftus’ has done research that may
contradict her own beliefs of recovered memories. [7]

References

1 Pezdek, K; Hodge, D. (July-August 1999). "Planting false childhood
memories: The role of event plausibility". Child Development 70 (4):
887–895. doi:10.1111/1467-8624.00064. Retrieved on 2008-01-30. “This
experiment tested and supported the hypothesis that events will be
suggestively planted in children's memory to the degree that the
suggested event is plausible and script-relevant knowledge exists in
memory.”

2 K. Pezdek, Planting False Childhood Memories: When Does It Occur and
When Does It Not? paper presented at the 36th Annual Meeting of the
Psychonomics Society (Nov. 10-12, 1995) cited in Murphy, Wendy J.
(1997).Debunking "false memory" myths in sexual abuse cases.Trial:
Journal of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America, November,
1997. Retrieved June 05, 2008

3 Crook, L. (1999). "Lost in a Shopping Mall--A Breach of Professional
Ethics.". Ethics & Behavior. 9 (1): 39–50. doi:10.1207/
s15327019eb0901_3. Retrieved on 2008-01-18. “An analysis of the mall
study shows that beyond the external misrepresentations, internal
scientific methodological errors cast doubt on the validity of the
claims that have been attributed to the mall study within scholarly
and legal arenas. The minimal involvement——or, in some cases, negative
impact——of collegial consultation, academic supervision, and peer
review throughout the evolution of the mall study are reviewed.”

4 Pope, K. (1996). "Memory, Abuse, and Science: Questioning Claims
About the False Memory Syndrome Epidemic". American Psychologist 51:
957. doi:10.1037/0003-066X.51.9.957. Retrieved on 2008-01-31. “Does
the trauma specified in the lost-in-the-mall experiment seem
comparable to the trauma forming the basis of false memory syndrome?
Loftus (1993) described the implanted traumatic event in the shopping-
mall experiment as follows: "Chris was convinced by his older brother
Jim, that he had been lost in a shopping mall when he was five years
old" (p. 532). Does this seem, for example, a reasonable analogy for a
five-year-old girl being repeatedly raped by her father?....Is it
possible that the findings are an artifact of this particular design,
for example, that the older family member claims to have been present
when the event occurred and to have witnessed it, a claim the
therapist can never make? To date, replications and extensions of this
study have tended to use a similar methodology; that is, either the
older family member makes the suggestions in his or her role as the
experimenter's confederate, or the experimenter presents the
suggestion as being the report of an older family member, thus
creating a surrogate confederate.”

5 "Memory, Abuse, & Science: Questioning Claims about the False Memory
Syndrome Epidemic" (1996). American Psychologist vol. 51, no. 9: pp
957–974..

6 Jennifer Hoult, Esq.. "Consider the Evidence for Elizabeth Loftus'
Scholarship and Accuracy "Remembering Dangerously" & Hoult v. Hoult:
The Myth of Repressed Memory that Elizabeth Loftus Created".

7 Hopper, J.. "Recovered Memories of Sexual Abuse Scientific Research
& Scholarly Resources". "Loftus has conducted and published research
which calls into question her public statements on recovered memories;
her own study demonstrated that the conditions of amnesia and delayed
recall for sexual abuse do exist"

--

Elizabeth Loftus herself has published studies showing evidence of
recovered memory. The 4 January 1996 issue of Accuracy About Abuse
notes: Elizabeth Loftus, high profile FMSF advocate, published a paper
with colleagues on Remembering and Repressing in 1994. In a study of
105 women outpatients in a substance abuse clinic 54 % reported a
history of childhood sexual abuse. 81% remembered all or part of the
abuse. 19% reported they forgot the abuse for a period of time and
later the memory returned. Women who remembered the abuse their whole
lives reported a clearer memory, with a more detailed picture. Women
who remembered the abuse their whole lives did not differ from others
in terms of the violence of the abuse or whether the violence was
incestuous. [Psychology of Women Quarterly, 18 (1994) 67-84.]

Loftus has also discussed "motivated forgetting", and has presented
the documented study of a college professor who became unable to
remember a series of traumas, but after some time was able to recover
those memories. Loftus remarked "after such an enormously stressful
experience, many individuals wish to forget... And often their wish is
granted." (Loftus, 1980/1988, p. 73)"
http://web.archive.org/web/20030608221633/http://www.feminista.com/v1...

"The hypothesis that false memories can easily be implanted in
psychotherapy (Lindsay & Read, 1994; Loftus 1993; Loftus & Ketcham,
1994; Ofshe and Watters, 1993, 1994; Yapko, 1994a) seriously
overstates the available data. Since no studies have been conducted on
suggested effects in psychotherapy per se, the idea of iatrogenic
suggestion of false memories remains an untested hypothesis. (Memory,
Trauma Treatment, And the Law Brown, Scheflin and Hammond (D.
Corydon), 1998, W. W. Norton 0-393-70254-5)

http://www.jimhopper.com/memory/#el
Elizabeth Loftus
Loftus is aware that those who study traumatic memory have for several
years, based on a great deal of research and clinical experience, used
the construct of dissociation to account for the majority of recovered
memories. However, she continues to focus on and attack "repression"
and "repressed memories," which has the effect of confusing and
misleading many people.

http://users.owt.com/crook/memory/
"Lost in a Shopping Mall"—A Breach of Professional Ethics
ETHICS & BEHAVIOR, vol. 9, #1, pp. 39-50
The "lost in a shopping mall" study has been cited to support claims
that psychotherapists can implant memories of false autobiographical
information of childhood trauma in their patients. The mall study
originated in 1991 as 5 pilot experiments involving 3 children and 2
adult participants. The University of Washington Human Subjects
Committee granted approval for the mall study on August 10, 1992. The
preliminary results with the 5 pilot subjects were announced 4 days
later. An analysis of the mall study shows that beyond the external
misrepresentations, internal scientific methodological errors cast
doubt on the validity of the claims that have been attributed to the
mall study within scholarly and legal arenas. The minimal involvement—
or, in some cases, negative impact—of collegial consultation, academic
supervision, and peer review throughout the evolution of the mall
study are reviewed.

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"Elizabeth Loftus has been considerd the LEADING expert in the world
on
the subject of human memory."


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