> Frankly, I think birth control should be passed out in schools > and that if a religion wants to prohibit it, they should lose their > tax-free status due to interjecting themselves into the political > fray.
>>>> On Nov 3, 10:05 am, Marianna <nomiddleinitia...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> > On Nov 2, 4:28 pm, "Kris Baker" <parallelcoo...@ggmail.com> wrote: >>>> > (snipped for space)
>>>> > > Rough justice >>>> > > Even the neighborhood ex-cons who lounge against their cars all >>>> > > afternoon at >>>> > > the back end of campus are outraged. For all the sensitivity >>>> training > > going >>>> > > on, this is still a rough city - and there is rough justice.
>>>> > > "If we'd gone over there earlier, before it was over, those >>>> mother- > > would >>>> > > have been shot. For real," said 24-year-old Chuckie Pelayo, >>>> leader of > > a pack >>>> > > that hangs out at the corner of Hayes Street and Emeric Avenue, >>>> one > > block >>>> > > from the rape scene. "We've all been to prison, and we know the >>>> code > > of how >>>> > > you're supposed to behave. These younger guys, they don't know >>>> the > > code.
>>>> > Color me less than impressed at Mr. Pelayo's socio-legal indignation.
>>>> > > "Some of us know a few guys who were there, and we're out >>>> looking for > > them," >>>> > > Pelayo added, the others nodding. "They better hope the cops >>>> find > > them >>>> > > first, because when we find them the same thing that happened to >>>> that > > girl >>>> > > is gonna happen to them."
>>>> > "Out looking for them?" WTF, are we supposed to feel reassured that >>>> > some garden-variety street thug with a seriously deluded sense of >>>> > justice in on the job here?
>>>> The kind of thinking those vigilante wannabees have is why I got upset >>>> in the other thread at the idea that all suspects -or even witnesses - >>>> should have their pics published.
>>>> Mick
>>> Well, those fellows are graduates of the school of behaviour which has >>> been illustrated in the incident. I don't condone it. My idea is more >>> along the lines of every parent in the area knows who those kids are and >>> subjects them to the weight of public disapproval. As in, "No, you're >>> not going to date that boy!" The general stink eye of the neighbors. A >>> very close eye kept on the activities of those kids, by the neighbors! >>> Not letting all the little incidents slide which are generally let slide >>> around here.
>>> Why do I feel this way? I have lived here for over 20 years. So far as I >>> know, I am the only person on my block who has ever confronted people >>> about those obnoxious boom cars. The only one. Over twenty years. I am a >>> small female. Has it been pleasant? Nope, sure hasn't. People would much >>> prefer to look away from thuggish activity. I'm very tired of it.
>>> Peach
>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting your >> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>> Kris
> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of their > children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they help create, > and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I guess never had > limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in particular benefit greatly > from a male role model and behavior "reinforcement".
OK, I call you sexist. Not for thinking that children need male role models, but for thinking that men are the ones who lack commitment. Do you think wives don't initiate divorces? Ex- wives don't deny their children visitation rights with fathers? Un-married moms don't boot the fathers?
>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting your >>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>> Kris
>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of their >> children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they help create, >> and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I guess never had >> limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in particular benefit greatly >> from a male role model and behavior "reinforcement". Overall, though, >> I think good behavior, respect for others (including critters), all >> starts at home.
> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not > stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out of their children's lives?
M wrote: > On Nov 3, 8:51 pm, Poe <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote:
> [stuff snipped.]
>> It is also a matter of the end justifying the means. As a society we >> have to have a code to live by, and the presumption of innocence is an >> essential premise. This is where Michael's Duke think comes up, where >> those kids were villainized, their lives nearly ruined, by "well meaning >> people". It is important no matter how pissed we get to step back and >> make sure everything is fair and legal.-
> One thing about Duke: those guys had really, really good lawyers who > were willing to take some heat themselves for "trial by press." There > is a good chance that without that, they would be in jail.
Exactly. Kobe Bryant and the Duke lads both had the moolah to hire top notch lawyers. Lacking that, these kids are almost certainly headed for jail.
Michael Snyder wrote: > Poe wrote: >> Kris Baker wrote: >>> "realpch" <real...@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:4AF0CCC0.9CF5DE55@aol.com... >>>> M wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 3, 10:05 am, Marianna <nomiddleinitia...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> > On Nov 2, 4:28 pm, "Kris Baker" <parallelcoo...@ggmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > (snipped for space)
>>>>> > > Rough justice >>>>> > > Even the neighborhood ex-cons who lounge against their cars all >>>>> > > afternoon at >>>>> > > the back end of campus are outraged. For all the sensitivity >>>>> training > > going >>>>> > > on, this is still a rough city - and there is rough justice.
>>>>> > > "If we'd gone over there earlier, before it was over, those >>>>> mother- > > would >>>>> > > have been shot. For real," said 24-year-old Chuckie Pelayo, >>>>> leader of > > a pack >>>>> > > that hangs out at the corner of Hayes Street and Emeric Avenue, >>>>> one > > block >>>>> > > from the rape scene. "We've all been to prison, and we know the >>>>> code > > of how >>>>> > > you're supposed to behave. These younger guys, they don't know >>>>> the > > code.
>>>>> > Color me less than impressed at Mr. Pelayo's socio-legal >>>>> indignation.
>>>>> > > "Some of us know a few guys who were there, and we're out >>>>> looking for > > them," >>>>> > > Pelayo added, the others nodding. "They better hope the cops >>>>> find > > them >>>>> > > first, because when we find them the same thing that happened >>>>> to that > > girl >>>>> > > is gonna happen to them."
>>>>> > "Out looking for them?" WTF, are we supposed to feel reassured that >>>>> > some garden-variety street thug with a seriously deluded sense of >>>>> > justice in on the job here?
>>>>> The kind of thinking those vigilante wannabees have is why I got upset >>>>> in the other thread at the idea that all suspects -or even witnesses - >>>>> should have their pics published.
>>>>> Mick
>>>> Well, those fellows are graduates of the school of behaviour which has >>>> been illustrated in the incident. I don't condone it. My idea is more >>>> along the lines of every parent in the area knows who those kids are >>>> and >>>> subjects them to the weight of public disapproval. As in, "No, you're >>>> not going to date that boy!" The general stink eye of the neighbors. A >>>> very close eye kept on the activities of those kids, by the neighbors! >>>> Not letting all the little incidents slide which are generally let >>>> slide >>>> around here.
>>>> Why do I feel this way? I have lived here for over 20 years. So far >>>> as I >>>> know, I am the only person on my block who has ever confronted people >>>> about those obnoxious boom cars. The only one. Over twenty years. I >>>> am a >>>> small female. Has it been pleasant? Nope, sure hasn't. People would >>>> much >>>> prefer to look away from thuggish activity. I'm very tired of it.
>>>> Peach
>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting your >>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>> Kris
>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of their >> children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they help create, >> and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I guess never had >> limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in particular benefit greatly >> from a male role model and behavior "reinforcement".
> OK, I call you sexist. Not for thinking that children need male > role models, but for thinking that men are the ones who lack > commitment. Do you think wives don't initiate divorces? Ex- > wives don't deny their children visitation rights with fathers? > Un-married moms don't boot the fathers?
Sure, all those things happen, and sometimes the dad has primary custody and the mom is absent. Still, the majority of single-parent homes are led my the mother, and a lot of kids don't have both parents in their lives, which I think in general isn't great for the kids*. Actually I think both gender kids benefit by having both parents around, but the fathers are more often missing from the picture.
*Disclaimer - doesn't apply when the missing parent was abusive or harmful to the kid(s).
>> Frankly, I think birth control should be passed out in schools >> and that if a religion wants to prohibit it, they should lose their >> tax-free status due to interjecting themselves into the political >> fray.
>> But that's just me.
>> Kris
> Right on, sister.
> jc
Heh. You're one who knows what "sister" means around here ;)
Bart Bailey wrote: > In Message-ID:<7ldvnsF3dihd...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 > 13:33:31 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin
>> but the >> fathers are more often missing from the picture.
> To some imprecise degree this is a result of inner-city survival > within the social services agency's guidelines.
That's a factor. Another factor is that y'all were designed to spread your seed, and we're designed to gestate... I think deep underneath it all a huge factor is nature. Also culture - the lower socioeconomic classes often come from one or more generations of single-parent families. The girls/women feel ready to start having kids early, and the boys/men are encouraged to feel macho, bravado, and all that comes with considering themselves a "stud". It's what they know, it's reinforced by their circle, and very much accepted. I don't think it is so simple one factor can be used as the cause or excuse.
Bart Bailey wrote: > In Message-ID:<7lebi3F3d7rm...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 > 16:55:14 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin
>> Bart Bailey wrote: >>> In Message-ID:<7ldvnsF3dihd...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 >>> 13:33:31 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin
>>>> but the >>>> fathers are more often missing from the picture. >>> To some imprecise degree this is a result of inner-city survival >>> within the social services agency's guidelines.
>> That's a factor. Another factor is that y'all were designed to spread >> your seed, and we're designed to gestate... I think deep underneath it >> all a huge factor is nature. Also culture - the lower socioeconomic >> classes often come from one or more generations of single-parent >> families. The girls/women feel ready to start having kids early, and the >> boys/men are encouraged to feel macho, bravado, and all that comes with >> considering themselves a "stud". It's what they know, it's reinforced by >> their circle, and very much accepted. I don't think it is so simple one >> factor can be used as the cause or excuse.
> Yet another case of you expanding on my very beliefs. > We so often agree, especially on anthropological issues, > I'm surprised we can be so antipodal in our choice of political parties.
Poe wrote: > Bart Bailey wrote: >> In Message-ID:<7lebi3F3d7rm...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 >> Nov 2009 >> 16:55:14 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin >>> Bart Bailey wrote: >>>> In Message-ID:<7ldvnsF3dihd...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 >>>> Nov 2009 >>>> 13:33:31 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin >>>>> but the fathers are more often missing from the picture. >>>> To some imprecise degree this is a result of inner-city survival >>>> within the social services agency's guidelines.
>>> That's a factor. Another factor is that y'all were designed to spread >>> your seed, and we're designed to gestate... I think deep underneath >>> it all a huge factor is nature. Also culture - the lower >>> socioeconomic classes often come from one or more generations of >>> single-parent families. The girls/women feel ready to start having >>> kids early, and the boys/men are encouraged to feel macho, bravado, >>> and all that comes with considering themselves a "stud". It's what >>> they know, it's reinforced by their circle, and very much accepted. I >>> don't think it is so simple one factor can be used as the cause or >>> excuse.
>> Yet another case of you expanding on my very beliefs. We so often >> agree, especially on anthropological issues, I'm surprised we can be >> so antipodal in our choice of political parties.
> True-crime makes for strange bedfellow?
bedfellows - with an "s" at the end. Oh damn, soon I'll have to explain my lack of posting ability... :-/
> Poe wrote: >> Bart Bailey wrote: >>> In Message-ID:<7lebi3F3d7rm...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 Nov >>> 2009 >>> 16:55:14 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin >>>> Bart Bailey wrote: >>>>> In Message-ID:<7ldvnsF3dihd...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 >>>>> Nov 2009 >>>>> 13:33:31 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin >>>>>> but the fathers are more often missing from the picture. >>>>> To some imprecise degree this is a result of inner-city survival >>>>> within the social services agency's guidelines.
>>>> That's a factor. Another factor is that y'all were designed to spread >>>> your seed, and we're designed to gestate... I think deep underneath it >>>> all a huge factor is nature. Also culture - the lower socioeconomic >>>> classes often come from one or more generations of single-parent >>>> families. The girls/women feel ready to start having kids early, and >>>> the boys/men are encouraged to feel macho, bravado, and all that comes >>>> with considering themselves a "stud". It's what they know, it's >>>> reinforced by their circle, and very much accepted. I don't think it is >>>> so simple one factor can be used as the cause or excuse.
>>> Yet another case of you expanding on my very beliefs. We so often agree, >>> especially on anthropological issues, I'm surprised we can be so >>> antipodal in our choice of political parties.
>> True-crime makes for strange bedfellow?
> bedfellows - with an "s" at the end. Oh damn, soon I'll have to explain my > lack of posting ability... :-/
>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting your >>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>> Kris
>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of >>> their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they help >>> create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I guess >>> never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in particular >>> benefit greatly from a male role model and behavior "reinforcement". >>> Overall, though, I think good behavior, respect for others (including >>> critters), all starts at home.
>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they > dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out > of their children's lives?
Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them out of their children's lives.
-- Illinois: where our governors make our license plates. nrud...@att.net
Nancy Rudins wrote: > Michael Snyder wrote: >> Kris Baker wrote: >>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting your >>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>> Kris
>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of >>>> their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they help >>>> create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I guess >>>> never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in particular >>>> benefit greatly from a male role model and behavior "reinforcement". >>>> Overall, though, I think good behavior, respect for others >>>> (including critters), all starts at home.
>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >> of their children's lives?
> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of > involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them > out of their children's lives.
And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
Michael Snyder wrote: > Nancy Rudins wrote: >> Michael Snyder wrote: >>> Kris Baker wrote: >>>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting your >>>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>>> Kris
>>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of >>>>> their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they help >>>>> create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I guess >>>>> never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in particular >>>>> benefit greatly from a male role model and behavior >>>>> "reinforcement". Overall, though, I think good behavior, respect >>>>> for others (including critters), all starts at home.
>>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >>> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >>> of their children's lives?
>> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of >> involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them >> out of their children's lives.
> And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
I never gave my opinion. Please do not call me "totally out of touch" for something I never said.
-- Illinois: where our governors make our license plates. nrud...@att.net
Nancy Rudins wrote: > Michael Snyder wrote: >> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>> Kris Baker wrote: >>>>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>>>> Kris
>>>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of >>>>>> their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they >>>>>> help create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I >>>>>> guess never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in >>>>>> particular benefit greatly from a male role model and behavior >>>>>> "reinforcement". Overall, though, I think good behavior, respect >>>>>> for others (including critters), all starts at home.
>>>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>>>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>>>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >>>> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >>>> of their children's lives?
>>> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of >>> involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them >>> out of their children's lives.
>> And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
> I never gave my opinion. Please do not call me "totally out > of touch" for something I never said.
"Perhaps they would" is an opinion. Feel free to tell me what to call you -- I certainly will feel free to ignore your request.
Michael Snyder wrote: > Nancy Rudins wrote: >> Michael Snyder wrote: >>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>> Kris Baker wrote: >>>>>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like inserting >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>>>>> Kris
>>>>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of >>>>>>> their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they >>>>>>> help create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I >>>>>>> guess never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in >>>>>>> particular benefit greatly from a male role model and behavior >>>>>>> "reinforcement". Overall, though, I think good behavior, respect >>>>>>> for others (including critters), all starts at home.
>>>>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>>>>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>>>>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >>>>> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >>>>> of their children's lives?
>>>> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of >>>> involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them >>>> out of their children's lives.
>>> And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
>> I never gave my opinion. Please do not call me "totally out >> of touch" for something I never said.
> "Perhaps they would" is an opinion.
It's a speculation. Not an opinion.
> Feel free to tell me what to call you -- I certainly will > feel free to ignore your request.
You do anyways.
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Nancy Rudins wrote: > Michael Snyder wrote: >> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>> Kris Baker wrote: >>>>>>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>>>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>>>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like >>>>>>>>> inserting your >>>>>>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>>>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>>>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>>>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>>>>>> Kris
>>>>>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality of >>>>>>>> their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids they >>>>>>>> help create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids who I >>>>>>>> guess never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys in >>>>>>>> particular benefit greatly from a male role model and behavior >>>>>>>> "reinforcement". Overall, though, I think good behavior, respect >>>>>>>> for others (including critters), all starts at home.
>>>>>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>>>>>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>>>>>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >>>>>> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >>>>>> of their children's lives?
>>>>> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of >>>>> involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them >>>>> out of their children's lives.
>>>> And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
>>> I never gave my opinion. Please do not call me "totally out >>> of touch" for something I never said.
>> "Perhaps they would" is an opinion.
> It's a speculation. Not an opinion.
>> Feel free to tell me what to call you -- I certainly will >> feel free to ignore your request.
> You do anyways.
Hey, I was just speculating!
Why do you feel entitled to tell me what I can say or do?
Michael Snyder wrote: > Nancy Rudins wrote: >> Michael Snyder wrote: >>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote: >>>>>>>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>>>>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>>>>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like >>>>>>>>>> inserting your >>>>>>>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>>>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>>>>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>>>>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>>>>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>>>>>>> Kris
>>>>>>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality >>>>>>>>> of their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids >>>>>>>>> they help create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids >>>>>>>>> who I guess never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys >>>>>>>>> in particular benefit greatly from a male role model and >>>>>>>>> behavior "reinforcement". Overall, though, I think good >>>>>>>>> behavior, respect for others (including critters), all starts >>>>>>>>> at home.
>>>>>>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>>>>>>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>>>>>>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >>>>>>> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >>>>>>> of their children's lives?
>>>>>> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of >>>>>> involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them >>>>>> out of their children's lives.
>>>>> And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
>>>> I never gave my opinion. Please do not call me "totally out >>>> of touch" for something I never said.
>>> "Perhaps they would" is an opinion.
>> It's a speculation. Not an opinion.
>>> Feel free to tell me what to call you -- I certainly will >>> feel free to ignore your request.
>> You do anyways.
> Hey, I was just speculating!
> Why do you feel entitled to tell me what I can say or do?
I don't tell you or anyone else what can be said or done.
-- Illinois: where our governors make our license plates. nrud...@att.net
Nancy Rudins wrote: > Michael Snyder wrote: >> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>>>>>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>>>>>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like >>>>>>>>>>> inserting your >>>>>>>>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>>>>>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>>>>>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>>>>>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>>>>>>>> Kris
>>>>>>>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality >>>>>>>>>> of their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids >>>>>>>>>> they help create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some kids >>>>>>>>>> who I guess never had limits. Call me sexist but I think boys >>>>>>>>>> in particular benefit greatly from a male role model and >>>>>>>>>> behavior "reinforcement". Overall, though, I think good >>>>>>>>>> behavior, respect for others (including critters), all starts >>>>>>>>>> at home.
>>>>>>>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>>>>>>>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>>>>>>>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >>>>>>>> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >>>>>>>> of their children's lives?
>>>>>>> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of >>>>>>> involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them >>>>>>> out of their children's lives.
>>>>>> And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
>>>>> I never gave my opinion. Please do not call me "totally out >>>>> of touch" for something I never said.
>>>> "Perhaps they would" is an opinion.
>>> It's a speculation. Not an opinion.
>>>> Feel free to tell me what to call you -- I certainly will >>>> feel free to ignore your request.
>>> You do anyways.
>> Hey, I was just speculating!
>> Why do you feel entitled to tell me what I can say or do?
> I don't tell you or anyone else what can be said or done.
No, so what was "don't call me out of touch", and "don't say chicks"?
Michael Snyder wrote: > Nancy Rudins wrote: >> Michael Snyder wrote: >>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>>> Nancy Rudins wrote: >>>>>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Poe" <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:7lc370F3c5r1fU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> My own theory is that anyone who raises their children in a >>>>>>>>>>>> thuggish atmosphere, shares part of the blame if they turn >>>>>>>>>>>> out to the thugs. Yes, that's harsh....but it's like >>>>>>>>>>>> inserting your >>>>>>>>>>>> hand into a fire and not pulling it back out.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we also need year-round schools, and strict truancy >>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement. Why were those non-students even being >>>>>>>>>>>> allowed to hang around on school property? It sounds like >>>>>>>>>>>> most everyone knew that that area was the smoking hangout.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kris
>>>>>>>>>>> I think parents need to be much more committed to the quality >>>>>>>>>>> of their children. Men need to be more committed to the kids >>>>>>>>>>> they help create, and help rear them. It's so sad to some >>>>>>>>>>> kids who I guess never had limits. Call me sexist but I think >>>>>>>>>>> boys in particular benefit greatly from a male role model and >>>>>>>>>>> behavior "reinforcement". Overall, though, I think good >>>>>>>>>>> behavior, respect for others (including critters), all starts >>>>>>>>>>> at home.
>>>>>>>>>> Yup...but when Cosby and Obama chide the black men for not >>>>>>>>>> stepping up, they were excoriated for doing so.
>>>>>>>>> S'nothing. What do you think would happen to them if they >>>>>>>>> dared to chide the black *women* for pushing fathers out >>>>>>>>> of their children's lives?
>>>>>>>> Perhaps they would if they thought the fathers' lack of >>>>>>>> involvement was a direct result of black women pushing them >>>>>>>> out of their children's lives.
>>>>>>> And you are totally out of touch if you think it is not.
>>>>>> I never gave my opinion. Please do not call me "totally out >>>>>> of touch" for something I never said.
>>>>> "Perhaps they would" is an opinion.
>>>> It's a speculation. Not an opinion.
>>>>> Feel free to tell me what to call you -- I certainly will >>>>> feel free to ignore your request.
>>>> You do anyways.
>>> Hey, I was just speculating!
>>> Why do you feel entitled to tell me what I can say or do?
>> I don't tell you or anyone else what can be said or done.
> No, so what was "don't call me out of touch", and "don't say chicks"?
1. I asked you not to call me "totally out of touch" for something I never said. 2. I never said "don't say chicks." I only pointed out your hypocrisy.
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