Michael Snyder wrote: > JonesieCat wrote: >> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>> corresponded. >>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo and >>> TD/Bella.
>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >> Write, people!
> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was interesting.
Lesmond wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:46:34 GMT, JonesieCat wrote:
>>> I got involved in a group for a while but it got fugly in the end due to >>> politics. I never learn, though - I always try making friends anyway. >>> Don't think I have actually met someone from usenet in RL, though. >> I've tried several groups. Nothing good ever comes of it.
> That hasn't been true, in my experience. I've made several good RL friends > from a coupleof different groups. Perhaps I've just been lucky?
Maybe you avoided politics, or befriended like-minded friends? What I saw that get so absolutely fucking terrible ugly stemmed from politics. That's why I try very hard to avoid discussing politics online anymore. It seems like people can no longer just discuss things, they reach a feverpitch way too fast.
> I was on a usenet guitar group that got so ugly that a few dozen folks > formed a breakaway private group. We started having meet ups at > guitar shows ("Yes, we'd like to have a party room. We'll be having a > band"). Big fun.
> I've met a couple dozen folks through that.
> There was a folk dancing group. There were lots of community > connecttions through festivals anyhow. I've met a few people through > that group and knew a bunch more from real life before I saw them on > line.
> Mick > --------------- > How fun! I'm a bit jealous of the meet ups at guitar shows and party room. > Both women and men, if you don't mind saying?
There were a few women, but most of the married guys a) could not have dragged their wives to a guitar show and b) just wanted to get drunk and rowdy, anyhow. There are only a few women in the group.
Out of about half a dozen meet ups, I'd say about 4 were really good, one was OK, and one was just really, really LOUD.
Saturday afternoon when some of the guys went to the guitar show, and a couple of them worked at the guitar show, professionally, I'd have an acoustic jam in my room. The hotels were pretty tolerant of noise from about 1 to 5 in the afternoon.
I've had guys from the group stay at my house and I've stayed at a guy's house. That was always nice.
There've been a few bitter dust ups and people have dropped out, buit the group is still going. we haven't met in a while.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:43:10 -0500, Poe wrote: >Lesmond wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:46:34 GMT, JonesieCat wrote:
>>>> I got involved in a group for a while but it got fugly in the end due to >>>> politics. I never learn, though - I always try making friends anyway. >>>> Don't think I have actually met someone from usenet in RL, though. >>> I've tried several groups. Nothing good ever comes of it.
>> That hasn't been true, in my experience. I've made several good RL friends >> from a coupleof different groups. Perhaps I've just been lucky?
>Maybe you avoided politics, or befriended like-minded friends?
I suppose so, on both counts. I've even had a couple of vacations with a couple of friends.
What I
>saw that get so absolutely fucking terrible ugly stemmed from politics. >That's why I try very hard to avoid discussing politics online anymore. >It seems like people can no longer just discuss things, they reach a >feverpitch way too fast.
Yeah, but you can kind of determine the personalities way before the urge to meet them kicks in, it seems.
-- If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:34:01 -0500, Poe wrote: >Michael Snyder wrote: >> JonesieCat wrote: >>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>> corresponded. >>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo and >>>> TD/Bella.
>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>> Write, people!
>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was interesting.
Somone should tell him all is forgiven.
-- If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
>>Michael Snyder wrote: >>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo >>>>> and >>>>> TD/Bella.
>>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>> Write, people!
>>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>>Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >>posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was interesting.
Poe wrote: > JonesieCat wrote: >> "Kris Baker" <parallelcoo...@ggmail.com> wrote in message >> news:7lebudF3dt542U1@mid.individual.net... >>> "Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message >>> news:4af2eb8b.1976687@bart.spawar.mil... >>>> (paraphrasing so I don't have to dig up the archives) >>>> You and I were discussing via email various contributors in this forum, >>> Nice going, Bart.
>>> Why don't you both just post the gossip here, instead >>> of talking about people behind their backs?
>>> Kris >>> There's a reason I'm no one's "friend" here
>> Aw, c'mon, don't be like that, Kris. Bart told me a bit about his life >> via email, which I appreciated, still do. Not gossipy emails in the >> least, not even all that many either, tho I imagine we'll continue to >> exchange from time to time. <shrug> They were nice emails. No idea how >> Comadrejo came up, and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and >> I have corresponded. Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, >> Comadrejo? Apologies if I've forgotten. Like you, Kris, (and with you) >> I've exchanged emails with lots of folks here over the years, but not >> with regularity [1]. I'm not a gossipy person, except on ACG of >> course, when I get there.
>> Bart is who he is. He's okay. Wish he wouldn't have posted what he >> posted, because to my way of thinking private correspondance and >> public correspondance are not interchangeable (IMHO). (I have yet to >> meet any of you, but hope springs eternal.) Seems Bart doesn't see it >> my way. But Bart's okay. And is SO doesn't really matter in the scheme >> of things.
>> So anyway, Bart, what was the complimentary part about Comadrejo? :)
>> jc<---Kris's friend whether she likes it or not
>> [1] Disclaimer, in the interests of full disclosure: Just remembered >> there is one poster who posts sporadically here with whom I have >> enjoyed a long-term, sometimes with regularily, but overall a sporadic >> correspondance. Occasionally/rarely an atc poster will get mentioned >> in an email, or used to. Briefly. Mostly I don't find atc ng posters >> all that gossip-worthy, no offense. What does surprise me, that I've >> learned over the 13 or 14 years I've been around here, is just how >> much some folks know about others here without really trying. Not my >> thing particularly.
> Sounds like y'all are having about as much fun as you can have with your > clothes on... wait - you guys are dressed, right? I totally don't want > to envision anything else, no offense (me here, posting in my sweats!).
Sorry folks, the first thing I do when I get home is shed clothes. Why am I gonna bother with sweats? There's nobody here...
>> Not sure what the online services community is? Related to eBay? Have you >> met atc'ers in RL, if you don't mind saying? Now that we're on the >> subject. Kewl you met what turned out to be close friends.
>> jc
> No atc'ers. I was on Prodigy (even worked for them for > years as a private contractor), so I met lots of people.
> I didn't know I had a Jerry Springer person in my home, until > it was too late. She was married to a cross-dresser, and > that was a boring four-hour soliloquy. ;)
> Kris
Ooooh, now *that's interesting. Shame about the Springerism tho. :(
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:46:34 GMT, JonesieCat wrote:
>>> I got involved in a group for a while but it got fugly in the end due to >>> politics. I never learn, though - I always try making friends anyway. >>> Don't think I have actually met someone from usenet in RL, though.
>>I've tried several groups. Nothing good ever comes of it.
> That hasn't been true, in my experience. I've made several good RL > friends > from a coupleof different groups. Perhaps I've just been lucky?
> Michael Snyder wrote: >> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>> (jc)I don't post nude (ugh), and what I'm wearing at the moment is a >>>>> whole lot less attractive than sweats! Reminds me of a meeting the >>>>> other day. Over-travelled reps in the room said when they managed to >>>>> be in their own homes, no *video conferencing allowed, because they're >>>>> all day in their dressing gowns. My kinda people! >>>> (Poe) I do a lot of con-calls, esp these past few years now that my >>>> work is virtual. I'll never forget the most uncomfortable incident, >>>> where everyone was dialed into a meeting, and someone who obviously >>>> forgot to hit "mute" loudly passed wind. Ya know how you're supposed to >>>> pretend it didn't happen when in a room, right? But you can kinda >>>> figgure who... well in this case it was really awkward cuz I know I >>>> wanted to... er... "clear the air" and make sure everyone knew it >>>> wasn't me. I'm sure others felt the same, including the culprit. Nobody >>>> said a word, thought, or snickered (at least not before hitting >>>> "mute").
>>> That's SO funny! hahahaha!
>> We had a conf call going with Japanese execs once, when >> a rather clueless programmer with a cordless phone >> flushed the toilet.
> This is not a con-call story, but once one of our very preggers female > execs gave a presentation to a large audience, then went to the toilet > forgetting she had on her open mic. It was really obvious who it was, > based on what was overheard!
You guys are IT folks, right? And the people I'm working with extensively at the moment are the same. So... what IS it with you people??! hahahaha!
>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>> corresponded. >>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo and >>> TD/Bella.
>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >> Write, people!
> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
Just from what was posted here, I don't believe he gave you his real name at first did he? Very cautious man. Shame about the alleged nym outing or whatever it was.
>>>Michael Snyder wrote: >>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo >>>>>> and >>>>>> TD/Bella.
>>>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>>> Write, people!
>>>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>>>Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >>>posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was interesting.
> I was on a usenet guitar group that got so ugly that a few dozen folks > formed a breakaway private group. We started having meet ups at > guitar shows ("Yes, we'd like to have a party room. We'll be having a > band"). Big fun.
> I've met a couple dozen folks through that.
> There was a folk dancing group. There were lots of community > connecttions through festivals anyhow. I've met a few people through > that group and knew a bunch more from real life before I saw them on > line.
> Mick > --------------- > How fun! I'm a bit jealous of the meet ups at guitar shows and party room. > Both women and men, if you don't mind saying?
There were a few women, but most of the married guys a) could not have dragged their wives to a guitar show and b) just wanted to get drunk and rowdy, anyhow. There are only a few women in the group.
Out of about half a dozen meet ups, I'd say about 4 were really good, one was OK, and one was just really, really LOUD.
Saturday afternoon when some of the guys went to the guitar show, and a couple of them worked at the guitar show, professionally, I'd have an acoustic jam in my room. The hotels were pretty tolerant of noise from about 1 to 5 in the afternoon.
I've had guys from the group stay at my house and I've stayed at a guy's house. That was always nice.
There've been a few bitter dust ups and people have dropped out, buit the group is still going. we haven't met in a while.
Mick ------------- Good story. Too bad about the dust ups. You better org a meet or it'll evaporate - or will it? jc
>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>>>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>>>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> TD/Bella. >>>>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>>>> Write, people! >>>>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>>>> Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >>>> posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was interesting. >>> Somone should tell him all is forgiven. >> You think he's not here?
>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>> corresponded. >>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo and >>>> TD/Bella. >>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>> Write, people! >> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
> Just from what was posted here, I don't believe he gave you his real name at > first did he? Very cautious man. Shame about the alleged nym outing or > whatever it was.
No, he didn't share his real name until several years later -- and I was quite surprised when he did! ;-)
> In Message-ID:<7lejslF3cout...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 Nov > 2009 > 19:17:24 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin
>>Don't think I have actually met someone from usenet in RL, though.
> Probably closest we'll likely come is if cycle 24 ever gets going and a > certain > other operator and I connect over the air and he puts you on the mike.
> In Message-ID:<uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> posted on > Wed, > 04 Nov 2009 22:47:54 GMT, JonesieCat wrote: Begin
>>Bart is who he is. He's okay. Wish he wouldn't have posted what he posted, >>because to my way of thinking private correspondance and public
> Nothing but a paraphrase of some comments as you asked for
>>correspondance are not interchangeable (IMHO). (I have yet to meet any of >>you, but hope springs eternal.) Seems Bart doesn't see it my way. But >>Bart's >>okay. And is SO doesn't really matter in the scheme of things.
>>So anyway, Bart, what was the complimentary part about Comadrejo? :)
> Are you again asking me so you can again complain?
You consider this a complaint?! I'm SO not going there. :)
So, what was the complimentary stuff? No complaints, I promise.
>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo >>>>> and >>>>> TD/Bella. >>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>> Write, people! >>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>> Just from what was posted here, I don't believe he gave you his real name >> at first did he? Very cautious man. Shame about the alleged nym outing or >> whatever it was.
> No, he didn't share his real name until several years later -- > and I was quite surprised when he did! ;-)
>>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>>>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>>>>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>>>>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> TD/Bella. >>>>>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>>>>> Write, people! >>>>>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>>>>> Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >>>>> posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was >>>>> interesting. >>>> Somone should tell him all is forgiven. >>> You think he's not here?
>>> Kris
>> I was thinking he might be around as well...?
> If so, he's lurking. I don't recognize his style.
The best way would be to keep posts brief... and use an anon remailer this time. jc
>>>>Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>>>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>>>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> TD/Bella.
>>>>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>>>> Write, people!
>>>>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>>>>Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >>>>posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was interesting.
>>> Somone should tell him all is forgiven.
>> You think he's not here?
>> Kris
> I was thinking he might be around as well...? > jc
I just figure that a prolific poster who loves the subject and who is also known to nymshift, can't stay away that long.
>>>> I got involved in a group for a while but it got fugly in the end due to >>>> politics. I never learn, though - I always try making friends anyway. >>>> Don't think I have actually met someone from usenet in RL, though.
>>>I've tried several groups. Nothing good ever comes of it.
>> That hasn't been true, in my experience. I've made several good RL >> friends >> from a coupleof different groups. Perhaps I've just been lucky?
>> --
>You and Mick apparently. (Usenet groups, right?)
Yes, usenet groups. I don't really participate in any others.
-- If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>>>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>>>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, Bo >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> TD/Bella. >>>>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>>>> Write, people! >>>>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>>>> Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >>>> posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was interesting. >>> Somone should tell him all is forgiven. >> You think he's not here?
>> Kris
> I was thinking he might be around as well...? > jc
Maybe we should do a séance. I have an Ouija board...
Bart Bailey wrote: > In Message-ID:<_uxIm.52317$ze1.29...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> posted on Thu, > 05 Nov 2009 10:08:58 GMT, JonesieCat wrote: Begin
>> "Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:4af66fd6.3211609@bart.spawar.mil... >>> In Message-ID:<7lejslF3cout...@mid.individual.net> posted on Wed, 04 Nov >>> 2009 >>> 19:17:24 -0500, Poe wrote: Begin
>>>> Don't think I have actually met someone from usenet in RL, though. >>> Probably closest we'll likely come is if cycle 24 ever gets going and a >>> certain >>> other operator and I connect over the air and he puts you on the mike. >> Don't be too sure about that. >> jc
> Cycle 24? > I admit its slow start is looking bleak.
I don't think I'll be able to stay awake until then.
There's always the 2010 Mud Run at Camp Pendleton - I think that's near you - they call it the most fun you can have running a 10K!
>>>>> Michael Snyder wrote: >>>>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>>>> "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:comadrejoagua-EFB443.14581104112009@news.giganews.com... >>>>>>>> In article <uwnIm.52198$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, >>>>>>>> "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> No idea how Comadrejo came up, >>>>>>>>> and it threw me that Bart thought or thinks Com and I have >>>>>>>>> corresponded. >>>>>>>>> Or - have you and I ever exchanged emails, Comadrejo? >>>>>>>> There are two people I've exchanged emails with from this forum, >>>>>>>> Bo and >>>>>>>> TD/Bella.
>>>>>>> I've exch'd with Bella and others, but not Bo I think.
>>>>>>> jonesiecac...@xxxyahoo.com (take out the xxx) >>>>>>> Write, people!
>>>>>> Met Bo -- he really is the same person in RL as he is OL.
>>>>> Too bad he had some kind of a nymshifting accident preventing him from >>>>> posting here anymore. At least that's what I heard. He was >>>>> interesting.
>>>> Somone should tell him all is forgiven.
>>> You think he's not here?
>>> Kris
>> I was thinking he might be around as well...? >> jc
> I just figure that a prolific poster who loves the subject and > who is also known to nymshift, can't stay away that long.
> Kris
He didn't seem like the type to hide, though - seemed pretty ballsy. The main thing I miss is his in-depth knowledgeable of history, at least according to a lightweight like me. He and Charlie Wilkins had a few interesting dialogs I enjoyed. There are others, too, who impress on that topic - but that's what stood out to me wrt BR.
>> The charge that strike me as most damning is "penetration wtih a >> foreign object." Rather horrid sounding and does not sound like part >> of anything consensual. The specifity where some of the boys are >> charged with penetration with an object and some not is interesting.
>> Although it depends on the object, of course. There are also reports >> that Frank Zappa's >> "Mud shark" song was based on a true consensual event.
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