The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of recent American serial killers. Of course, per usual, the author neglected to mention any female serial killers even though several were active during the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media coverage at the time).
List of well-known serial murder cases
(AP) – Nov 4, 2009
Anthony Sowell of Cleveland has been charged with five counts of aggravated murder. Authorities said Wednesday they have confirmed a total of at least 11 victims whose remains were found at his home.
Here is a list of well-known serial murder cases in the U.S.
_ Donald Harvey, a former nurse's aide, pleaded guilty to 37 murders in Ohio and Kentucky; serving life in prison. Most were killings in hospitals where he worked, primarily in 1986 and 1987.
_ John Wayne Gacy Jr., on death row in Illinois, was convicted in 1980 of killing 33 young men and boys from 1972 to 1978. Twenty-seven bodies were found buried in the crawl space under his suburban Chicago home.
_ Patrick Wayne Kearney confessed in 1977 to killing 32 men. Dismembered remains of many of the men were dumped in trash bags along Southern California highways. He was convicted of 21 of the so-called "trash bag" murders and was sentenced to life.
_ Jeffrey L. Dahmer, a former candy factory worker, confessed to killing and dismembering men and boys between 1978 and his arrest in 1991. He was serving multiple life terms when another prison inmate beat him and another convicted murderer to death in 1994.
_ Robert Hansen, an Anchorage, Alaska, baker, admitted killing 17 women, mostly dancers and prostitutes, from the mid-1970s to 1984. He is serving 461 years in prison.
_ William Bonin, known as the "Freeway Killer," was convicted of murdering 14 boys and young men after having sex with them and robbing them. He abandoned their bodies near freeways in Southern California in 1979 and 1980.
_ Arthur J. Shawcross, convicted in the deaths of 11 women in the Rochester, N.Y., area, was sentenced to 250 years in prison in 1991.
_ Postal worker David Berkowitz, aka "Son of Sam," committed six murders in New York City. He was arrested in August 1977 and sentenced in 1978 to six life sentences in prison.
> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of recent > American serial killers. Of course, per usual, the author neglected to > mention any female serial killers even though several were active during > the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media coverage > at the time).
> List of well-known serial murder cases
> (AP) – Nov 4, 2009
> Anthony Sowell of Cleveland has been charged with five counts of > aggravated murder. Authorities said Wednesday they have confirmed a total > of at least 11 victims whose remains were found at his home.
> Here is a list of well-known serial murder cases in the U.S.
> _ Donald Harvey, a former nurse's aide, pleaded guilty to 37 murders in > Ohio and Kentucky; serving life in prison. Most were killings in hospitals > where he worked, primarily in 1986 and 1987.
> _ John Wayne Gacy Jr., on death row in Illinois, was convicted in 1980 of > killing 33 young men and boys from 1972 to 1978. Twenty-seven bodies were > found buried in the crawl space under his suburban Chicago home.
> _ Patrick Wayne Kearney confessed in 1977 to killing 32 men. Dismembered > remains of many of the men were dumped in trash bags along Southern > California highways. He was convicted of 21 of the so-called "trash bag" > murders and was sentenced to life.
> _ Jeffrey L. Dahmer, a former candy factory worker, confessed to killing > and dismembering men and boys between 1978 and his arrest in 1991. He was > serving multiple life terms when another prison inmate beat him and > another convicted murderer to death in 1994.
> _ Robert Hansen, an Anchorage, Alaska, baker, admitted killing 17 women, > mostly dancers and prostitutes, from the mid-1970s to 1984. He is serving > 461 years in prison.
> _ William Bonin, known as the "Freeway Killer," was convicted of murdering > 14 boys and young men after having sex with them and robbing them. He > abandoned their bodies near freeways in Southern California in 1979 and > 1980.
> _ Arthur J. Shawcross, convicted in the deaths of 11 women in the > Rochester, N.Y., area, was sentenced to 250 years in prison in 1991.
> _ Postal worker David Berkowitz, aka "Son of Sam," committed six murders > in New York City. He was arrested in August 1977 and sentenced in 1978 to > six life sentences in prison.
> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of recent > American serial killers. Of course, per usual, the author neglected to > mention any female serial killers even though several were active during > the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media coverage > at the time).
Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases with males victims when women are typically the more common victim of serial killers.
SoCally wrote: >> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of recent >> American serial killers. Of course, per usual, the author neglected to >> mention any female serial killers even though several were active during >> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media coverage >> at the time).
> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases with > males victims when women are typically the more common victim of > serial killers.
I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that?
> SoCally wrote: >>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of recent >>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author neglected to >>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active during >>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media coverage >>> at the time).
>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases with >> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of >> serial killers.
> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that?
Male and female victims:
> _ Donald Harvey, a former nurse's aide, pleaded guilty to 37 murders in > Ohio and Kentucky; serving life in prison. Most were killings in hospitals > where he worked, primarily in 1986 and 1987.
Male vics:
> _ John Wayne Gacy Jr., on death row in Illinois, was convicted in 1980 of > killing 33 young men and boys from 1972 to 1978. Twenty-seven bodies were > found buried in the crawl space under his suburban Chicago home.
Male victims:
> _ Patrick Wayne Kearney confessed in 1977 to killing 32 men. Dismembered > remains of many of the men were dumped in trash bags along Southern > California highways. He was convicted of 21 of the so-called "trash bag" > murders and was sentenced to life.
Male vics:
> _ Jeffrey L. Dahmer, a former candy factory worker, confessed to killing > and dismembering men and boys between 1978 and his arrest in 1991. He was > serving multiple life terms when another prison inmate beat him and > another convicted murderer to death in 1994.
Female vics:
> _ Robert Hansen, an Anchorage, Alaska, baker, admitted killing 17 women, > mostly dancers and prostitutes, from the mid-1970s to 1984. He is serving > 461 years in prison.
Male vics:
> _ William Bonin, known as the "Freeway Killer," was convicted of murdering > 14 boys and young men after having sex with them and robbing them. He > abandoned their bodies near freeways in Southern California in 1979 and > 1980.
One male vic, rest were females:
> _ Arthur J. Shawcross, convicted in the deaths of 11 women in the > Rochester, N.Y., area, was sentenced to 250 years in prison in 1991.
Mix of male and females, don't know numbers, but he wasn't as prolific as the rest on this list:
> _ Postal worker David Berkowitz, aka "Son of Sam," committed six murders > in New York City. He was arrested in August 1977 and sentenced in 1978 to > six life sentences in prison.
The most interesting murderer to read about on this list - on many lists IMHO: Shawcross.
JonesieCat wrote: > "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message > news:4b05c91b$0$2011$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >> SoCally wrote: >>>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of recent >>>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author neglected to >>>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active during >>>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media coverage >>>> at the time). >>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases with >>> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of >>> serial killers. >> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that?
> Male and female victims:
I meant "I don't know if it is true that women are typically the more common victims of serial killers."
Certainly I know they are the most frequently *reported* victims. Which might give people the *impression* that they are the most common victims.
> JonesieCat wrote: >> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >> news:4b05c91b$0$2011$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>> SoCally wrote: >>>>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of >>>>> recent >>>>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author neglected >>>>> to >>>>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active >>>>> during >>>>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media >>>>> coverage >>>>> at the time). >>>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases with >>>> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of >>>> serial killers. >>> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that?
>> Male and female victims:
> I meant "I don't know if it is true that women are typically the > more common victims of serial killers."
> Certainly I know they are the most frequently *reported* victims. > Which might give people the *impression* that they are the most > common victims.
Oh. Well, of the most of the killers of men on the list you posted - they themselves were also males of course. Are you wondering if more wimmin kill men than men kill wimmin or what? Is the gender of a killer of interest, or no?
I can't think why more women victims would be reported on than would multiple men victims? In fact, a man-on-man serial killer has more of a man-bites-dog quality to it in terms of newsworthiness, don't you think? As would a woman-on-man serial for that matter.
JonesieCat wrote: > "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message > news:4b05f62a$0$1973$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >> JonesieCat wrote: >>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >>> news:4b05c91b$0$2011$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>>> SoCally wrote: >>>>>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of >>>>>> recent >>>>>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author neglected >>>>>> to >>>>>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active >>>>>> during >>>>>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media >>>>>> coverage >>>>>> at the time). >>>>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases with >>>>> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of >>>>> serial killers. >>>> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that? >>> Male and female victims: >> I meant "I don't know if it is true that women are typically the >> more common victims of serial killers."
>> Certainly I know they are the most frequently *reported* victims. >> Which might give people the *impression* that they are the most >> common victims.
> Oh. Well, of the most of the killers of men on the list you posted - they > themselves were also males of course. Are you wondering if more wimmin kill > men than men kill wimmin or what? Is the gender of a killer of interest, or > no?
Sheesh! I'm just questioning the statement made by SoCally! ;-)
> I can't think why more women victims would be reported on than would > multiple men victims?
Because they're women and they're victims. The media loves women victims because our culture loves women victims.
Michael Snyder wrote: > JonesieCat wrote: > > "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message > > news:4b05f62a$0$1973$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > >> JonesieCat wrote: > >>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message > >>> news:4b05c91b$0$2011$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > >>>> SoCally wrote: > >>>>>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of > >>>>>> recent > >>>>>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author neglected > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active > >>>>>> during > >>>>>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media > >>>>>> coverage > >>>>>> at the time). > >>>>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases with > >>>>> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of > >>>>> serial killers. > >>>> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that? > >>> Male and female victims: > >> I meant "I don't know if it is true that women are typically the > >> more common victims of serial killers."
> >> Certainly I know they are the most frequently *reported* victims. > >> Which might give people the *impression* that they are the most > >> common victims.
> > Oh. Well, of the most of the killers of men on the list you posted - they > > themselves were also males of course. Are you wondering if more wimmin kill > > men than men kill wimmin or what? Is the gender of a killer of interest, or > > no?
> Sheesh! I'm just questioning the statement made by SoCally! ;-)
> > I can't think why more women victims would be reported on than would > > multiple men victims?
> Because they're women and they're victims. The media loves > women victims because our culture loves women victims.
might have something to do with sexual control (by males) in a "control culture"? I mean, its pretty obvious you can run the whole of America right over a cliff and nobody (few!) will challenge it .... since Vietnam. Push come to shove food in one's mouth and the hope of same, counts. Even as the whole social economy is being stolen for all time. Germany made the same deal with the Devil and you saw what happened to them!
> JonesieCat wrote: >> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >> news:4b05f62a$0$1973$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4b05c91b$0$2011$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>>>> SoCally wrote: >>>>>>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of >>>>>>> recent >>>>>>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author neglected >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active >>>>>>> during >>>>>>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media >>>>>>> coverage >>>>>>> at the time). >>>>>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases >>>>>> with >>>>>> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of >>>>>> serial killers. >>>>> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that? >>>> Male and female victims: >>> I meant "I don't know if it is true that women are typically the >>> more common victims of serial killers."
>>> Certainly I know they are the most frequently *reported* victims. >>> Which might give people the *impression* that they are the most >>> common victims.
>> Oh. Well, of the most of the killers of men on the list you posted - they >> themselves were also males of course. Are you wondering if more wimmin >> kill men than men kill wimmin or what? Is the gender of a killer of >> interest, or no?
> Sheesh! I'm just questioning the statement made by SoCally! ;-)
Yeah, well, so, I'm just asking *you a question, Mr.!
JonesieCat wrote: > "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message > news:4b0611c1$0$2003$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >> JonesieCat wrote: >>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >>> news:4b05f62a$0$1973$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:4b05c91b$0$2011$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>>>>> SoCally wrote: >>>>>>>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of >>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author neglected >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active >>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media >>>>>>>> coverage >>>>>>>> at the time). >>>>>>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of >>>>>>> serial killers. >>>>>> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that? >>>>> Male and female victims: >>>> I meant "I don't know if it is true that women are typically the >>>> more common victims of serial killers."
>>>> Certainly I know they are the most frequently *reported* victims. >>>> Which might give people the *impression* that they are the most >>>> common victims. >>> Oh. Well, of the most of the killers of men on the list you posted - they >>> themselves were also males of course. Are you wondering if more wimmin >>> kill men than men kill wimmin or what? Is the gender of a killer of >>> interest, or no? >> Sheesh! I'm just questioning the statement made by SoCally! ;-)
> Yeah, well, so, I'm just asking *you a question, Mr.!
> Sheesh yourself! ;)
I don't know nuthin! ;-)
Actually, I know that the sexual-sadist serial killer is the type that usually goes after women, but that type is not as common as the media would lead us to believe. There are lots of others, and I have no evidence that those others preferentially victimize women.
But I *do* have evidence that the media preferentially *reports* on the victimization of women.
> JonesieCat wrote: >> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >> news:4b0611c1$0$2003$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4b05f62a$0$1973$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>>>> JonesieCat wrote: >>>>>> "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4b05c91b$0$2011$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... >>>>>>> SoCally wrote: >>>>>>>>> The Anthony Sowell case apparently inspired this quickie list of >>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>> American serial killers. ?Of course, per usual, the author >>>>>>>>> neglected to >>>>>>>>> mention any female serial killers even though several were active >>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>> the same time period as those mentioned (and got similar media >>>>>>>>> coverage >>>>>>>>> at the time). >>>>>>>> Actually the more neglectful part is that he has focused on cases >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> males victims when women are typically the more common victim of >>>>>>>> serial killers. >>>>>>> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that? >>>>>> Male and female victims: >>>>> I meant "I don't know if it is true that women are typically the >>>>> more common victims of serial killers."
>>>>> Certainly I know they are the most frequently *reported* victims. >>>>> Which might give people the *impression* that they are the most >>>>> common victims. >>>> Oh. Well, of the most of the killers of men on the list you posted - >>>> they themselves were also males of course. Are you wondering if more >>>> wimmin kill men than men kill wimmin or what? Is the gender of a killer >>>> of interest, or no? >>> Sheesh! I'm just questioning the statement made by SoCally! ;-)
>> Yeah, well, so, I'm just asking *you a question, Mr.!
>> Sheesh yourself! ;)
> I don't know nuthin! ;-)
> Actually, I know that the sexual-sadist serial killer is the > type that usually goes after women, but that type is not as > common as the media would lead us to believe. There are lots > of others, and I have no evidence that those others preferentially > victimize women.
> But I *do* have evidence that the media preferentially *reports* > on the victimization of women.
> Hence my request for a source.
I was asking your views on the gender of the perp. Dahmer was a sexual sadist (among other things) who victimized men.
As for the media reporting on women-as-victims - what about moviemakers? tv shows? Somebody's making violence against women a popular topic, fictionally and the real thing.
Still think when a women serial (who kills men) comes along, it's big news. You snipped it, but as I said, it's a man-bites-dog story - big news. Women killing women too. Are there are any of those, come to think of it, a true serial woman who only killed women? Oh dear, am I asking the wrong person? ;)
> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that?
The FBI, Law Enforcement and Coroner's office keep very good statistics. You should check them out sometime.
Also, don't you find it interesting that even when men are victims, it's still a male who is committing those violent crimes, even the rape/murder cases?
I'm trying to think of a list of 3 female serial killers who have committed murders for sexual deviant purposes like those men have. This list might take some time to compile since it doesn't exist!
SoCally wrote: >> I don't know that that's true -- you have a source for that?
> The FBI, Law Enforcement and Coroner's office keep very good > statistics. You should check them out sometime.
> Also, don't you find it interesting that even when men are victims, > it's still a male who is committing those violent crimes, even the > rape/murder cases?
So that's your attitude, eh?
And thanks for NOT providing a source.
> I'm trying to think of a list of 3 female serial killers who have > committed murders for sexual deviant purposes like those men have.
Why introduce sexual deviance as a criterion? I thought you were discussing violence.
"The FBI said so" may in some sense be a "source", but not in any useful sense. It is not checkable. In what publication, on what date, and what page and paragraph did the FBI say so, please?
>> Why introduce sexual deviance as a criterion? I thought you >> were discussing violence.
> Psst....sexual deviance IS violent. Ever heard of rape?
Your logic underwhelms me. First of all, not all sexual deviance is violent. Second, not all violence is sexually deviant. They are two different things that just happen to overlap sometimes.
OK, fine, you say you can't think of any sexually deviant female serial killers? How about these?
Gwendolyn Graham Catherine May Wood
Team killers and lesbian lovers. Killed for sexual thrills. Originally planned to murder six victims whose last initials would spell out the word "murder", but that turned out to be too complicated. Picked on the most vulnerable elderly women they could find instead.
> "The FBI said so" may in some sense be a "source", but > not in any useful sense. It is not checkable. In what > publication, on what date, and what page and paragraph > did the FBI say so, please?
>>> Why introduce sexual deviance as a criterion? ?I thought you >>> were discussing violence.
>> Psst....sexual deviance IS violent. Ever heard of rape?
> Your logic underwhelms me. First of all, not all sexual > deviance is violent. Second, not all violence is sexually > deviant. They are two different things that just happen to > overlap sometimes.
> OK, fine, you say you can't think > of any sexually deviant female serial killers? How about these?
> Gwendolyn Graham > Catherine May Wood
> Team killers and lesbian lovers. Killed for sexual thrills. > Originally planned to murder six victims whose last initials > would spell out the word "murder", but that turned out to be > too complicated. Picked on the most vulnerable elderly women > they could find instead.
Interesting. Never heard of them before. Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwendolyn_Graham_and_Cathy_Wood There is no indication of a sexual aspect to these nursing home murders, but 'Gwendolyn Graham, Catherine May Wood, Judith Neely, Carol Bundy, Karla Homolka, and others ... participated in serial sexual homicides" says http://www.tamiu.edu/~cferguson/Serialmurder.pdf (on page 288). No idea is this is a legitimate source.
Wait, here's a better source for id'ing the deviancy (more at link): Lethal Lovers Guest Author - Vance Rowe "Gwendolyn Graham and Catherine Wood were nurses at the Alpine Nursing Home in Walker, Michigan, a suburb by Grand Rapids, but instead of caring for their patients, they killed them instead. The two women were lovers and participated in deviant sexual behavior such as erotic asphyxiation of each other to heighten their sexual pleasure. Then they allegedly discussed killing someone and just talking about doing something like that gave them sexual pleasure". http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40328.asp
The tamiu.edu link talks about male serials nearly always incorporating sexual deviancy into their crimes.
>>> The tamiu.edu link talks about male serials nearly always incorporating >>> sexual deviancy into their crimes. >> That's nonsense. Sexual serial killers are a minority of SKs. >> Most people think that all SKs are sexual -- t'ain't so.
> At any rate, it's true that the link I provided says it t'is so. (But > somehow I knew you'd have an opinion about that!)
"That's nonsense" directed at the link you provided, not at you. ;-O
> "The FBI said so" may in some sense be a "source", but > not in any useful sense. It is not checkable. In what > publication, on what date, and what page and paragraph > did the FBI say so, please?
Do you really need to be spoonfed information like that? Wow.
> Your logic underwhelms me. First of all, not all sexual > deviance is violent. Second, not all violence is sexually > deviant. They are two different things that just happen to > overlap sometimes.
And? No one said any of that so why are you stating the obvious?
> OK, fine, you say you can't think > of any sexually deviant female serial killers? How about these?
> Gwendolyn Graham > Catherine May Wood
I said a list of 3. You can't think of a third one? With enough time I'm sure you'll find a third to add to your list. Ironic that it takes so much time coming up with a list of 3 huh? Thank you for making my point.
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