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Eris  
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It would be pretty obvious wouldn't it?

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It would be pretty obvious wouldn't it?

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It is very obvious -- the Sun came up on the horizon this morning in a
beautiful sunrise.  The sun is shining and there is not a cloud in the sky.

That is the best thing that can happen to us - ah yes, God is good!  His
mercy endureth forever.


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thea wrote:
> It is very obvious -- the Sun came up on the horizon this morning in a
> beautiful sunrise.

Non-sequitur.

>   The sun is shining and there is not a cloud in the sky.

Non-sequitur.

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"The mind is everything. What you think you become.[Buddha]


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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  thea wrote:

> It is very obvious -- the Sun came up on the horizon this morning in a
> beautiful sunrise.

> Non-sequitur.

>    The sun is shining and there is not a cloud in the sky.

> Non-sequitur.

The natural world has always reflected the Love of God for us.
To be able to say, Thank you, Jesus, for the beauty around us - knowing that
Heaven and home will be so much more than we can comprehend now.
My soul cries in joy, at the goodness of the Lord Jesus Christ for even me.


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On 20/11/2009 9:28 AM, thea wrote:

Irrelevant. Conclusions are all non-sequitur.

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"In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves."
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"When Men of the Word, companions, worship, in their hearts refining
flashes of insight, then some become fully conscious of knowledge,
while others go their way mouthing empty words." Rig-Veda

On Nov 20, 6:28 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:


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'tis.   Be specific.

On Nov 19, 8:20 pm, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:


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the sun is not evidence of the Christian god. If anything it is more
evidence for pagan gods. Many gods are associated with the creation of
the sun, therefore, you can't use the sun as evidence that proves your
particular god and disproves others.

On Nov 20, 9:28 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Man's way is not God's way.  We are assuming that our brains can know all -
without realizing that *original sin* brought in because of Adam's default,
has caused us to not understand the graciousness of a loving God -- who
loves us more than we can love ourselves.  I'll accept that any day over
what this ole world offers to us.


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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM, flying gorilla <ryan.kle...@gmail.com>wrote:

> the sun is not evidence of the Christian god. If anything it is more
> evidence for pagan gods. Many gods are associated with the creation of
> the sun, therefore, you can't use the sun as evidence that proves your
> particular god and disproves others.

The pagan gods just look at the natural world and accept what they see - and
make gods of wood, hay and stubble.
The Christian God is far beyond what we can see and understand.  The Holy
Spirit witnesses that God exists.  The *know-so* salvation does not look at
this natural world around us for a God, but accepts the knowing in the
Spirit and the Truth of the Word of God in the Bible.


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On 21/11/2009 9:35 AM, thea wrote:

The idea of Original Sin was invented by Augustin at least 300 years
after Jesus. You really do need to learn more about your beliefs.

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"I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do believe in a fate that falls on them unless they act."
[Buddha]


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St. Augustin was just quoting texts from the Bible.  He did not make up
anything.  It is all in the Bible, and St. Augustin had the Biblical texts
available to him.
That we are born in sin -- came from the OT!!  Look it up.


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On 21/11/2009 10:58 AM, thea wrote:

Sorry, check pre-Augustin doctrine and you will find that the idea of
Original Sin was not there. Augustin, who was terrified of sex, is the
inventor.

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"We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world."
[Buddha]


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On Nov 19, 5:20 pm, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be pretty obvious wouldn't it?

Yes indeed! It is very obvious to more than half the population of
earth. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are more than half of the
population of earth.

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On Nov 19, 8:20 pm, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be pretty obvious wouldn't it?

Why should it be obvious? Is it obvious that black holes exist? Is it
obvious that microbes exist?

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On Nov 20, 9:08 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is very obvious -- the Sun came up on the horizon this morning in a
> beautiful sunrise.  The sun is shining and there is not a cloud in the sky.

> That is the best thing that can happen to us - ah yes, God is good!

Supposing that it is obvious that God exists, is it also obvious that
God is good? If so, in what ways would God be different if God were
bad?

>  His mercy endureth forever.

Meaning that the Sun will shine forever, there will be beautiful
sunrises forever and there will forever be days with not a cloud in
the sky? Will there be beautiful sunrises 100 billion years from now?


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It is not obvious, and for obvious reasons.

Reality includes all time and all place.
We, on the other hand, are confined to only the present time while in
our present place.
The present time is only a thin slice of the all time.

God extends even beyond Time and Space.
Thus with us being confined to such a small measure of time, little of
God can be seen.


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On Nov 22, 7:24 am, TruthCheck <flopp...@idirect.com> wrote:

> It is not obvious, and for obvious reasons.

> Reality includes all time and all place.
> We, on the other hand, are confined to only the present time while in
> our present place.
> The present time is only a thin slice of the all time.

> Godextends even beyond Time and Space.
> Thus with us being confined to such a small measure of time, little ofGodcan be seen.

Your response is as obvious as mud.
Who are you responding to?

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On Nov 22, 12:37 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM, flying gorilla <ryan.kle...@gmail.com>wrote:

> > the sun is not evidence of the Christian god. If anything it is more
> > evidence for pagan gods. Many gods are associated with the creation of
> > the sun, therefore, you can't use the sun as evidence that proves your
> > particular god and disproves others.

> The pagan gods just look at the natural world and accept what they see - and
> make gods of wood, hay and stubble.
> The Christian God is far beyond what we can see and understand.  The Holy
> Spirit witnesses that God exists.  

This is rubbish Thea. There is non so blind as those who will not see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqP5KdYKFB0


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When mankind closes his mind to the wealth that is in the Bible - and closes
his mind to the fact that God sent His Only Begotten Son to redeem us from
Adams sin -- there are none so poor in spirit as those souls.
It is a blessing to know and understand the Bible *rightly divided* and
readable.
It is a blessing to have a *know-so* salvation - that means that having been
filled with the Spirit, you know for sure that Jesus accepts you just as you
are.
Thank you, Jesus for being my *sin offering*.


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You are contradicting yourself.
If god is beyond time why do you think you can see him at all?

 On Nov 21, 9:24 pm, TruthCheck <flopp...@idirect.com> wrote:


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On Nov 21, 9:18 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"

<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 8:20 pm, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > It would be pretty obvious wouldn't it?

> Why should it be obvious? Is it obvious that black holes exist? Is it
> obvious that microbes exist?

So are you saying that god is like a microbe?
Why would god do such a good job of concealing himself?

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Yes this proves one thing - the earth is still turning.

On Nov 20, 2:11 pm, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:


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On Nov 22, 8:03 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When mankind closes his mind to the wealth that is in the Bible - and closes
> his mind to the fact that God sent His Only Begotten Son to redeem us from
> Adams sin -- there are none so poor in spirit as those souls.
> It is a blessing to know and understand the Bible *rightly divided* and
> readable.
> It is a blessing to have a *know-so* salvation - that means that having been
> filled with the Spirit,

you know for sure that Jesus accepts you just as you

> are.

Just as I accept him - he's dead.

> Thank you, Jesus for being my *sin offering*.

Thank goodness my brain is not filled with crap.


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