Is there a Delphi equivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
Recently, Delphi is in resurgence. In Russia people are using like crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program scankromsator in delphi because its easy to write a gui. In arabia people are using it also.
Also delphi, I heard delphi allows visual programming and delphi programs run on:
linux win2k winxp vista
I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because I am used to C syntax.
> Is there a Delphi equivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
> Recently, Delphi is in resurgence. In Russia people are using like > crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program > scankromsator in delphi because its easy to write a gui. In arabia > people are using it also.
> Also delphi, I heard delphi allows visual programming and delphi > programs run on:
> linux > win2k > winxp > vista
> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because > I am used to C syntax.
> Gnuist
First, this newsgroup is not for C or Scheme. FWIW, there are a great many C++ IDE builders that attempt to allow rapid GUI application creation - a 'net search engine should quickly turn up matches. Lastly, I think you'll find the differences between C and Pascal are mainly cosmentic - if Delphi is what you want functionally I suggest you use it.
> Recently, Delphi is in resurgence. In Russia people are using like > crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program > scankromsator in delphi because its easy to write a gui. In arabia > people are using it also.
> Also delphi, I heard delphi allows visual programming and delphi > programs run on:
> linux > win2k > winxp > vista
> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because > I am used to C syntax.
I'm not sure about the names. Borland created another product C++ Builder, with a similar functionality as Delphi, but using C++ instead of Pascal. In the latest release, I think, they integrated the two product and now use the name Delphi for the combination of the two.
> Is there a Delphi equivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
Depends on what exactly you want to be equivalent, and what you want to be C/Scheme/Lisp proprietary.
> Recently, Delphi is in resurgence. In Russia people are using like > crazy.
They have special conditions, for using Delphi in education (schools, universities...).
> Also delphi, I heard delphi allows visual programming and delphi > programs run on:
> linux > win2k > winxp > vista
Delphi programs can run on many more platforms, when the FreePascal compiler is used for the final build.
> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
Most GUI development environments are based on specific graphics libraries. The Delphi VCL (Visual Component Library) was developed for Windows GDI, then converted into CLX (AFAIR based on Qt), and FreePascal has implemented a true platform independent FCL (Free Component Library), that is fully compatible with the VCL. The whole VCL/FCL is written in Delphi (OPL), so that it can be used only with compilers that can use the Delphi object model. The RAD Studio, now sold by Embarcadero, includes such compilers for Delphi, Delphi.NET, C++ and C#, where for C# the VCL has been ported to .NET, so that it also can be used with every .NET language.
I dunno whether the VCL really is easier to use than any equivalent library, but when I see that the VCL (as FCL) can be used with many graphical environments, it seems to be a very good, portable and IMO really easily usable library. In most cases it's sufficient to drop VCL components on a form, set their properties, add event handlers, and you're done with the whole GUI. There exist various extensions of the VCL, where you can find readily usable components for almost every task.
> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because > I am used to C syntax.
Then I suggest that you use the RAD Studio, where you can use the VCL also with C/C++/C# code. Or get an old Borland C++ Builder, or a newer C++ personality of BDS, which allow to use the VCL with C++. I've been using C and C++ in former times, amongst many other languages, but since I came across Delphi, now I write everything in Delphi myself, and only "package" existing C code for use in my Delphi code.
> > Is there aDelphiequivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
> > Recently,Delphiis in resurgence. In Russia people are using like > > crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program > > scankromsator indelphibecause its easy to write a gui. In arabia > > people are using it also.
> > Alsodelphi, I hearddelphiallows visual programming anddelphi > > programs run on:
> > linux > > win2k > > winxp > > vista
> > I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
> > The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell > > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because > > I am used to C syntax.
> > Gnuist
> First, this newsgroup is not for C or Scheme. FWIW, there are a great > many C++ IDE builders that attempt to allow rapid GUI application > creation - a 'net search engine should quickly turn up matches. > Lastly, I think you'll find the differences between C and Pascal are > mainly cosmentic - ifDelphiis what you want functionally I suggest > you use it.
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Basically, I have never had need to build guis and now I would like to build guis for windows and possibly linux also. I dont want to duplicate my effort and be caught in the intricacies of programming but to do the job fast.
> > Is there aDelphiequivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
> Depends on what exactly you want to be equivalent, and what you want to > be C/Scheme/Lisp proprietary.
> > Recently,Delphiis in resurgence. In Russia people are using like > > crazy.
> They have special conditions, for usingDelphiin education (schools, > universities...).
> > Alsodelphi, I hearddelphiallows visual programming anddelphi > > programs run on:
> > linux > > win2k > > winxp > > vista
> Delphiprograms can run on many more platforms, when the FreePascal > compiler is used for the final build.
> > I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
This was a nice reply where you tried to explain some special aspects of delphi based on the techniques of compiling and cross compiling them. Therefore I have confidence that this explanation can be expanded a little and made more lucid for a newbie like me by putting in more details into a single self- contained account.
> Most GUI development environments are based on specific graphics > libraries. TheDelphiVCL (Visual Component Library) was developed for > Windows GDI, then converted into CLX (AFAIR based on Qt), and FreePascal > has implemented a true platform independent FCL (Free Component > Library), that is fully compatible with the VCL. The whole VCL/FCL is > written inDelphi(OPL), so that it can be used only with compilers that > can use theDelphiobject model. The RAD Studio, now sold by > Embarcadero, includes such compilers forDelphi,Delphi.NET, C++ and C#, > where for C# the VCL has been ported to .NET, so that it also can be > used with every .NET language.
I am surprised that C/C++/C# people and gnu people have not done this since even unix and X windows are written in these languages and also the microsoft windows.
> I dunno whether the VCL really is easier to use than any equivalent > library, but when I see that the VCL (as FCL) can be used with many > graphical environments, it seems to be a very good, portable and IMO > really easily usable library. In most cases it's sufficient to drop VCL > components on a form, set their properties, add event handlers, and > you're done with the whole GUI. There exist various extensions of the > VCL, where you can find readily usable components for almost every task.
> > The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell > > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because > > I am used to C syntax.
> Then I suggest that you use the RAD Studio, where you can use the VCL > also with C/C++/C# code. Or get an old Borland C++ Builder, or a newer > C++ personality of BDS, which allow to use the VCL with C++. I've been > using C and C++ in former times, amongst many other languages, > but since > I came acrossDelphi, now I write everything inDelphimyself, and only > "package" existing C code for use in myDelphicode.
How do you call or package C code inside delphi ?
What is the best book to read for a newbie on delphi and what is the software needed to practice as you read ? This would help me a lot since i have to learn by myself. I also dont know if any schools in the US teach programming via delphi. All I ever heard was scheme and python these days.
Anyone please tell me a little more about pros and cons. I appreciate your help a lot.
> Is there aDelphiequivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
> Recently,Delphiis in resurgence. In Russia people are using like > crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program > scankromsator indelphibecause its easy to write a gui. In arabia > people are using it also.
> Alsodelphi, I hearddelphiallows visual programming anddelphi > programs run on:
> linux > win2k > winxp > vista
> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because > I am used to C syntax.
> Gnuist
What are good books, sites, and newsgroups for delphi and delphi type of programming and transitioning back to Pascal from C. Is it regressing ?
> This was a nice reply where you tried to explain some special aspects > of delphi > based on the techniques of compiling and cross compiling them. > Therefore I have > confidence that this explanation can be expanded a little and made > more lucid > for a newbie like me by putting in more details into a single self- > contained > account.
So much more could be said, depending on what exactly you want to do.
>> Most GUI development environments are based on specific graphics >> libraries. TheDelphiVCL (Visual Component Library) was developed for >> Windows GDI, then converted into CLX (AFAIR based on Qt), and FreePascal >> has implemented a true platform independent FCL (Free Component >> Library), that is fully compatible with the VCL. The whole VCL/FCL is >> written inDelphi(OPL), so that it can be used only with compilers that >> can use theDelphiobject model. The RAD Studio, now sold by >> Embarcadero, includes such compilers forDelphi,Delphi.NET, C++ and C#, >> where for C# the VCL has been ported to .NET, so that it also can be >> used with every .NET language.
> I am surprised that C/C++/C# people and gnu people have not done this > since even > unix and X windows are written in these languages and also the > microsoft > windows.
Most companies and GNU groups concentrate on their own goals, and do not cooperate much with each other. The .NET approach lacks compatibility with existing code and languages, and the users have to follow every change in the proprietary Microsoft libraries. The GNU activities traditionally solve portability problems by adding tools, like automake, that introduce new problems, which have to be fixed by even more tools. When I asked them for cooperation in the design and implementation of a new model, for managing and building platform independent libraries and programs, the only answer was "make it work yourself, then we'll see...". The consequence is, that more and more people use interpreted languages in the POSIX world, where only the interpreter has to be ported once to every platform.
>> but since >> I came acrossDelphi, now I write everything inDelphimyself, and only >> "package" existing C code for use in myDelphicode.
> How do you call or package C code inside delphi ?
Delphi has a package concept, similar to the .NET assemblies, that allows to make and use packages regardless of programming languages. Well, not really *all* languages, but all those that can use external binary libraries (*.DLL, *.so).
Thus making a package is not very different from making a DLL. And like in making an ActiveX DLL, you have to #include the according header files in your C code, to make sure that the package itself, and all users of that package, will use the very same type definitions and runtime library. Of course C and Delphi have different opinions, about how a "header" file should look like. Therefore tools exist to convert C header files from or into Delphi interface units, which may be invoked automatically in a newer IDE. Note that IDE stands for Integrated Development Environment, which integrates compilers for multiple languages, and knows how to make accessible modules of one language in the other languages :-)
> What is the best book to read for a newbie on delphi and what is the > software needed to practice as you read ? This would help me a lot > since > i have to learn by myself.
I cannot suggest any current literature, because I had to buy my last book many years ago.
> I also dont know if any schools in the US > teach programming via delphi. All I ever heard was scheme and python > these days.
As mentioned above, only few languages are so platform independent that they can be used in teaching programming in general. As a Windows user, you may not have noticed that you'll have to tweak your C code for use on every other platform. Teaching C effectively means teaching "how to use C on platform XYZ", and that's why platform independent languages are preferred in education.
Even if Delphi currently is bound to Windows, I've emphasized the easy use of Delphi code on many other platforms, by simply using the FreePascal compiler. Did you know that FPC can cross-compile your Windows programs even for exotic machines, like ole Amiga or Atari?
> > What is the best book to read for a newbie ondelphiand what is the > > software needed to practice as you read ? This would help me a lot > > since > > i have to learn by myself.
> I cannot suggest any current literature, because I had to buy my last > book many years ago.
Just tell me the good book, current or out of print, i dont care. but it got to be a good one, so if necessary, i may photocopy after getting permission from publisher.
It has good colors but I cant understand my first program in detail. I hated the same thing about java 10yrs ago i took got A and forgot coz i never used again. now i have to write programs and learn delphi. Are there any better sites for learning till the book arrives ?
