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samahdiman  
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 More options Mar 29 2009, 12:21 pm
From: samahdiman <samuel.thirdeye.hild...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 12:21 pm
Subject: Discussion on posting-guidelines
Greetings Moderators loved the reference to the hitch hikers guide to
the galaxy will try my best to post only pertinent heartfelt non-
violent unjudgemented posts
Would also like to post,the damned are people to.Only we can damn
ourselves
noone can do it for us. love love keep your third eye open

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archytas  
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 More options Mar 29 2009, 11:38 pm
From: archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines
The moderators actually live on the planet Zarg.  They left a text-
engine behind to do the work.

On 29 Mar, 12:21, samahdiman <samuel.thirdeye.hild...@gmail.com>
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Junaid Tahir  
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 More options Mar 30 2009, 8:37 am
From: Junaid Tahir <mjunaidta...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:37:39 +0400
Local: Mon, Mar 30 2009 8:37 am
Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Discussion on posting-guidelines

even i sent an email to the group yesterday but havnt seen it to be
delivered till now.
Junaid Tahir
http://mjunaidtahir.blogspot.com/

2009/3/29 samahdiman <samuel.thirdeye.hild...@gmail.com>


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Chris Jenkins  
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 More options Mar 30 2009, 9:48 pm
From: Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:48:21 -0400
Local: Mon, Mar 30 2009 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines
That's because I dump out emails which contain blog links from new
users. We sift spam that way.


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archytas  
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 More options Mar 31 2009, 12:47 am
From: archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 31 2009 12:47 am
Subject: Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines
I see the sub-space link to Zarg is working well.

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Chris Jenkins  
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 More options Mar 31 2009, 1:04 am
From: Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:04:16 -0400
Local: Tues, Mar 31 2009 1:04 am
Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines
Loud and clear. I've been a bit tied up with some personal issues, but
still here.


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iam deheretic  
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 More options Mar 31 2009, 7:31 am
From: iam deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:31:04 +0200
Local: Tues, Mar 31 2009 7:31 am
Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines

great, I hate blog links..

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archytas  
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From: archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines
Looks like I'm off to a university in Kurdistan.  Is that near Zarg?

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Ian  
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 More options Aug 6 2009, 11:04 am
From: Ian <ian.poll...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:04:52 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Aug 6 2009 11:04 am
Subject: Discussion on posting-guidelines
Last updated: 6th August 2009

    * Added new section on Crossposting
    * Updated list of moderators
    * Changed list from bullets to numbers
    * Cleaned up Etiquette & Principles
    * Added #10 (ad hominem) to Etiquette & Principles
    * Added #4 (reproducing Mind's Eye content) to Quoting / Citations
    * Fixed a few typos


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Molly Brogan  
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 More options Aug 6 2009, 12:24 pm
From: Molly Brogan <mollybro...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 04:24:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Aug 6 2009 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines
In regard to your crossposting section:

Wikipedia is generally not considered a valid source for information
because it can be changed by anyone at anytime.  You may be bringing
the validity of the group into question by potential members by using
it.

In fact, cross posting, as in the case of twitter, uses
multifunctional software to allow a post to show up across different
social media accounts simultaneously, like a blog, flicker, facebook,
google or any other platform that twitter has agreements with.  This
is only considered an annoyance when the posts are unrelated to the
platform or purpose of the social media.  Cross posting is new and
widely accepted.

You are referring here, I think, the the practice of multi post, which
is posting the same post over and over in different discussions, often
in unrelated groups or threads.  We have had that happen here, the guy
from the autism organization comes to mind.  It might also include a
reference to cutting and pasting articles that are not topic related.
The point is, that including unrelated information in a post is
disruptive.

On Aug 6, 6:04 am, Ian <ian.poll...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Ian Pollard  
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 More options Aug 6 2009, 2:06 pm
From: Ian Pollard <ian.poll...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:06:12 +0100
Local: Thurs, Aug 6 2009 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines

2009/8/6 Molly Brogan <mollybro...@gmail.com>

> Wikipedia is generally not considered a valid source for information
> because it can be changed by anyone at anytime.  You may be bringing
> the validity of the group into question by potential members by using
> it.

Given that we aren't carrying out academic research, and no lives aren't at
risk, I think Wikipedia serves just fine for a casual discussion group. :)
However, I do agree that Wikipedia is far from perfect. It's handy for
definitions, but when it comes to comparing evidence it's easily trumped by
better sources. In the case of scientific research, a peer-review article in
a reputable journal should be given more weight. I think that's pretty much
how we operate anyway, but thanks for your clarification on Wikipedia's
limitations.

> In fact, cross posting, as in the case of twitter, uses
> multifunctional software to allow a post to show up across different
> social media accounts simultaneously, like a blog, flicker, facebook,
> google or any other platform that twitter has agreements with.  This
> is only considered an annoyance when the posts are unrelated to the
> platform or purpose of the social media.  Cross posting is new and
> widely accepted.

Crossposting is as old as Usenet, Molly. Which probably makes it about the
same age as me. What you're describing is newer appropriation of the word, I
think. However, I certainly bow down to your knowledge of how to promote
one's blog, website, or indeed self, on the Internet. I'll make the
appropriate amends to the guidelines.

> You are referring here, I think, the the practice of multi post, which
> is posting the same post over and over in different discussions, often
> in unrelated groups or threads.

What we have is posts to Mind's Eye being made by people who also post
exactly the same thing to AvC, Epistimology, alt.philosophy, etc. So, whilst
it might be related, the posts aren't intended to open a discussion -- only
to promote something. The authors rarely hang around long enough to respond
to follow-ups. So, in this sense, the posts are "relevant", but they are
basically spam. And there's a lot of them. If I wake up and check the
moderation queue and see an enormous post from a new member, I immediately
do a search for their user name; invariably the same message is posted to
half a dozen groups and so I junk it.

Given this clarification... is it still a multipost by your definition?

Ian


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Molly Brogan  
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 More options Aug 6 2009, 2:39 pm
From: Molly Brogan <mollybro...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Aug 6 2009 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: Discussion on posting-guidelines
My opinion is that the use of multipost is more clear, given the new
applications for crossposting.  However, both are acceptable if the
post is relevant and responsive.  So I think inclusion of detail of
what is unacceptable such as spam posting across multiple google
forums, irrelevant posts to thread topic, etc., would go along way in
clarifying.

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