What flipped you over, Chris? I'm not citing "hoodoo" nor am I on an
edge whereas given your posts the same can't be said. Just FYI, the
89th Military Police Brigade is permanently stationed at Ft. Hood.
There were plenty of both MPs and civilian police hired by the base on
hand.
And don't you find it at least out of the ordinary that we are
experiencing a blossoming of mass murders?
On Nov 6, 12:17 pm, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on the edge
> blend hoodoo into their reality.
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
> > discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
> > killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
> > I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
> > plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
> > nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing coverage
> > of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
> > otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
The hoodoo in question was religion, Gruff, not anything you cited.
Invisible entities in the sky giving directions.
My family is military, Gruff. I'm aware of the 89th. Are you aware of the
Readiness Center there? It is not, and was not, patrolled by MP's. It's
covered by Civilian Police, which was the point of my initial response to
your point regarding military police. In case you forget, you posted:
"I think it is also noteworthy that in spite of being in the middle of
a military base where there are many trained and armed soldiers and
military police, none of that training or armament was able to prevent
this tragedy from occurring."
Now, stop perceiving irrational response, and look at your point, and my
counterpoint:
You: None of the training or armament or military police was able to prevent
this tragedy from occurring,
Me: In the area where this occurred, there was no immediate access to
armament, and no MP's on patrol. This seems to indicate it was chosen with
forethought for those qualities.
Now, who's flipped, and what's irrational? I believe you are completely
misreading me, and also the facts around the shooting, which is why I
provided you with a link detailing the specifics of the incident. Here are
some excerpts:
"The rampage lasted for thirty minutes as Hassan entered a Pre-Deployment
Processing Center (PDP), jumped on top of a table and began shooting down on
the cubicles below. Emergency responders and police responded quickly and an
officer was able to confront the shooter and take him down in an exchange of
gunfire that left both wounded. Some witnesses to the event have stated that
Major Hassan was yelling "Allahu Akbar" (meaning: "God is Great") as he
fired at the unarmed people in the area."
Do you find it likely that MP's would take longer to respond to a gunfire
incident occurring within their patrol area than civilian police officers
for whom this would be out of jurisdiction, were it covered by MP's? I don't
know what it is you think I'm trying to say, but the facts of the case are
pretty clear, and public knowledge. Perhaps this clarification will help.
Notice how much space there is between the individual areas? This isn't a
typical base structure where it is centralized with heavy population in a
main area. There is a heavy mixture of military and civilian personnel
spread out over a large area. Hassan specifically targeted an area which was
least likely to contain armed military personnel, and began killing there.
Now, what's irrational about anything I've said here?
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What flipped you over, Chris? I'm not citing "hoodoo" nor am I on an
> edge whereas given your posts the same can't be said. Just FYI, the
> 89th Military Police Brigade is permanently stationed at Ft. Hood.
> There were plenty of both MPs and civilian police hired by the base on
> hand.
> And don't you find it at least out of the ordinary that we are
> experiencing a blossoming of mass murders?
> On Nov 6, 12:17 pm, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on the
> edge
> > blend hoodoo into their reality.
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
> > > discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
> > > killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
> > > I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
> > > plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
> > > nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing coverage
> > > of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
> > > otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
To clarify here, because it seemed from your response that you entirely
misperceived the direction of this quote, I was referring to folks on the
edge (Hassan) blending hoodoo (religion) into their reality. This was not in
any way aimed at you.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on the edge
> blend hoodoo into their reality.
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
>> discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
>> killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
>> I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
>> plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
>> nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing coverage
>> of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
>> otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
> To clarify here, because it seemed from your response that you entirely
> misperceived the direction of this quote, I was referring to folks on the
> edge (Hassan) blending hoodoo (religion) into their reality. This was not in
> any way aimed at you.
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on the
>> edge blend hoodoo into their reality.
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
>>> discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
>>> killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
>>> I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
>>> plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
>>> nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing coverage
>>> of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
>>> otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
I'm a survivor of unarmed guard duty against expected armed attack.
It would have been easy for the IRA to take out a whole police station
(or Manchester Airport) back in the 70s with a couple of guns. You
can imagine this was a very unpleasant duty - more traumatic frankly
than being shot at when you are armed. The reason I started this
thread was the memory of this ridiculous duty and later experience in
which it was necessary to guard oneself and squad from the buffoon
sadists who made up the officer cadre.
On the first reports I thought it was over quickly - but it now seems
no armed response was anywhere near the incident. Guns everywhere
isn't the answer, but this looks like a massive failure to protect on
both occasions. I'm not sure which incident is worse in this respect.
On 6 Nov, 21:27, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > To clarify here, because it seemed from your response that you entirely
> > misperceived the direction of this quote, I was referring to folks on the
> > edge (Hassan) blending hoodoo (religion) into their reality. This was not in
> > any way aimed at you.
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on the
> >> edge blend hoodoo into their reality.
> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
> >>> discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
> >>> killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
> >>> I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
> >>> plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
> >>> nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing coverage
> >>> of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
> >>> otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
Chris? Do you know by any chance whether people would generally be
barred from carrying guns at the scene of this US atrocity?
I love some hints on the news that we must regard this matter as only
possibly related to the guy being Muslim. I should co-co.
Over here we keep our troops well apart from their weaponry. Some of
the street guns here would make you laugh and we generally have much
less trouble than you do in the US. The link between more guns more
deaths is now made, and given the number of accidental deaths we might
wonder why forearms aren't better fool-child-proofed. However, it's
not the usual gun control stuff that gets me about these two
incidents. I just don't understand why we aren't protecting people
who are obvious targets better - and that would mean guns in the hands
of alert observers.
On 6 Nov, 23:33, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'm a survivor of unarmed guard duty against expected armed attack.
> It would have been easy for the IRA to take out a whole police station
> (or Manchester Airport) back in the 70s with a couple of guns. You
> can imagine this was a very unpleasant duty - more traumatic frankly
> than being shot at when you are armed. The reason I started this
> thread was the memory of this ridiculous duty and later experience in
> which it was necessary to guard oneself and squad from the buffoon
> sadists who made up the officer cadre.
> On the first reports I thought it was over quickly - but it now seems
> no armed response was anywhere near the incident. Guns everywhere
> isn't the answer, but this looks like a massive failure to protect on
> both occasions. I'm not sure which incident is worse in this respect.
> On 6 Nov, 21:27, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > More on the police officer in question, and also covers my points earlier
> > about the civilian police force on this massive base:
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > To clarify here, because it seemed from your response that you entirely
> > > misperceived the direction of this quote, I was referring to folks on the
> > > edge (Hassan) blending hoodoo (religion) into their reality. This was not in
> > > any way aimed at you.
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >> It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on the
> > >> edge blend hoodoo into their reality.
> > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
> > >>> discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
> > >>> killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
> > >>> I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
> > >>> plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
> > >>> nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing coverage
> > >>> of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
> > >>> otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
I have things in my mind how did he not be noticed in his mental state
before hand---I think this oil and water does not mix---what gets me on a
military base this is scarey....
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Chris? Do you know by any chance whether people would generally be
> barred from carrying guns at the scene of this US atrocity?
> I love some hints on the news that we must regard this matter as only
> possibly related to the guy being Muslim. I should co-co.
> Over here we keep our troops well apart from their weaponry. Some of
> the street guns here would make you laugh and we generally have much
> less trouble than you do in the US. The link between more guns more
> deaths is now made, and given the number of accidental deaths we might
> wonder why forearms aren't better fool-child-proofed. However, it's
> not the usual gun control stuff that gets me about these two
> incidents. I just don't understand why we aren't protecting people
> who are obvious targets better - and that would mean guns in the hands
> of alert observers.
> On 6 Nov, 23:33, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > I'm a survivor of unarmed guard duty against expected armed attack.
> > It would have been easy for the IRA to take out a whole police station
> > (or Manchester Airport) back in the 70s with a couple of guns. You
> > can imagine this was a very unpleasant duty - more traumatic frankly
> > than being shot at when you are armed. The reason I started this
> > thread was the memory of this ridiculous duty and later experience in
> > which it was necessary to guard oneself and squad from the buffoon
> > sadists who made up the officer cadre.
> > On the first reports I thought it was over quickly - but it now seems
> > no armed response was anywhere near the incident. Guns everywhere
> > isn't the answer, but this looks like a massive failure to protect on
> > both occasions. I'm not sure which incident is worse in this respect.
> > On 6 Nov, 21:27, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > More on the police officer in question, and also covers my points
> earlier
> > > about the civilian police force on this massive base:
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Chris Jenkins <
> digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > To clarify here, because it seemed from your response that you
> entirely
> > > > misperceived the direction of this quote, I was referring to folks on
> the
> > > > edge (Hassan) blending hoodoo (religion) into their reality. This was
> not in
> > > > any way aimed at you.
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Jenkins <
> digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >> It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on
> the
> > > >> edge blend hoodoo into their reality.
> > > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
> > > >>> discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
> > > >>> killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
> > > >>> I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
> > > >>> plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
> > > >>> nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing
> coverage
> > > >>> of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
> > > >>> otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
There is a difference between a "tragedy" (Obama's term) and an act of
terrorism (radical Islam's intentions). The "alteration" is in their
brain and faith.
On Nov 5, 7:30 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> horrible.
> dj
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
America" with a new set of events and characters.
On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > horrible.
> > dj
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
both precludes belonging to the other.
Francis
On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
> of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
> acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
> USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
> that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
> surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
> the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
> on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
> Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
> America" with a new set of events and characters.
> On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > horrible.
> > > dj
> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
The Muslim-Xtians live in the same world as the Roman Catholic-
Protestants (i.e. with the fairies at the bottom of Rev. Ian Paisley's
garden). Of course, Jews, Muslims and Xtians are all sons of Abraham
and we could form a new terrorist group on this basis. We would
terrorise the single faith believers as intellectually challenged by
multi-tasking, incapable of loving women as equals and treating them
generally like delinquent children, putting all non-converts on that
inhospitable island used to kick off the Falklands Farce (St.
Georgia?) to live off algae and faith. There is probably less
contradiction in being a Muslim-Xtian-Jew than being any of the
apartheid species who practises war and woman clubbing (and it doesn't
stop the crazies). The key thing in religion Francis is not avoiding
contradiction but being loony enough to accept all kinds of it
including killing people for the sheer love of gourd (no typo). I
would not be happy working with people who bowed East 5 times a day in
this conflict, even to the point that I would not intervene when sex-
starved marines mistook this as an offer. To ask people to work with
anyone professing religion is too much for me, but when that religion
clearly marks one as the enemy, there is reason to exclude it on the
basis of everyone else's rights.
On 7 Nov, 14:22, frantheman <francis.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
> Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
> both precludes belonging to the other.
> Francis
> On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
> > of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
> > acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
> > USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
> > that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
> > surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
> > the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
> > on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
> > Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
> > America" with a new set of events and characters.
> > On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > > horrible.
> > > > dj
> > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
Weapons are well secured and controlled on base, as a rule. I don't know
about barred, but as a matter of practice, it just generally isn't done. We
have liberty oriented gun laws here, but a culture that (despite the facade)
is generally against gun ownership, not as a matter of law, but as a matter
of polite society. Everyone wants the right, but few want to be so crass as
to utilize it.
I have no issues with being perceived as crass... ;)
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:14 PM, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Chris? Do you know by any chance whether people would generally be
> barred from carrying guns at the scene of this US atrocity?
> I love some hints on the news that we must regard this matter as only
> possibly related to the guy being Muslim. I should co-co.
> Over here we keep our troops well apart from their weaponry. Some of
> the street guns here would make you laugh and we generally have much
> less trouble than you do in the US. The link between more guns more
> deaths is now made, and given the number of accidental deaths we might
> wonder why forearms aren't better fool-child-proofed. However, it's
> not the usual gun control stuff that gets me about these two
> incidents. I just don't understand why we aren't protecting people
> who are obvious targets better - and that would mean guns in the hands
> of alert observers.
> On 6 Nov, 23:33, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > I'm a survivor of unarmed guard duty against expected armed attack.
> > It would have been easy for the IRA to take out a whole police station
> > (or Manchester Airport) back in the 70s with a couple of guns. You
> > can imagine this was a very unpleasant duty - more traumatic frankly
> > than being shot at when you are armed. The reason I started this
> > thread was the memory of this ridiculous duty and later experience in
> > which it was necessary to guard oneself and squad from the buffoon
> > sadists who made up the officer cadre.
> > On the first reports I thought it was over quickly - but it now seems
> > no armed response was anywhere near the incident. Guns everywhere
> > isn't the answer, but this looks like a massive failure to protect on
> > both occasions. I'm not sure which incident is worse in this respect.
> > On 6 Nov, 21:27, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > More on the police officer in question, and also covers my points
> earlier
> > > about the civilian police force on this massive base:
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Chris Jenkins <
> digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > To clarify here, because it seemed from your response that you
> entirely
> > > > misperceived the direction of this quote, I was referring to folks on
> the
> > > > edge (Hassan) blending hoodoo (religion) into their reality. This was
> not in
> > > > any way aimed at you.
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Jenkins <
> digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >> It's a hard, crazy world. It gets harder and crazier when folks on
> the
> > > >> edge blend hoodoo into their reality.
> > > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> There's something bigger going on here. Last week there was the
> > > >>> discovery of the mass murderer in Cleveland, OH, then the Ft. Hood
> > > >>> killings, and just hours ago another mass killing in Orlando, FL.
> > > >>> I suspect it's the hard financial times we're all suffering under,
> > > >>> plus the onset of the holiday seasonn, plus the wars that appear no
> > > >>> nearer resolution than ever, plus the media's money grubbing
> coverage
> > > >>> of all the horrors in the world .... it's pushing people who might
> > > >>> otherwise maintain themselves over the edge.
His father and step-father were Muslims; his mother was an atheist.
The South Side of Chicago is a hotbed of the Muslim Brotherhood. His
association of 20 years with Reverend Wright who is a Black militant
preacher. Appeasement speech in Egypt to Muslims. Dithering Afghan non-
decision. Hesitant reaction to Fort Hood massacre. Oh, I don't know,
Francis- must be a bee in my bonnet!//Anyway, there are many who have
parents of mixed religions or have had other mixed experiences that
wind up with sort of a religious stew- or have a leg in a couple- or
even bounce through many beliefs and practices without a second
thought that these may cancel each other out in a strict sense.
On Nov 7, 8:22 am, frantheman <francis.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
> Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
> both precludes belonging to the other.
> Francis
> On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
> > of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
> > acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
> > USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
> > that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
> > surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
> > the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
> > on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
> > Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
> > America" with a new set of events and characters.
> > On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > > horrible.
> > > > dj
> > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
> His father and step-father were Muslims; his mother was an atheist.
> The South Side of Chicago is a hotbed of the Muslim Brotherhood. His
> association of 20 years with Reverend Wright who is a Black militant
> preacher. Appeasement speech in Egypt to Muslims. Dithering Afghan non-
> decision. Hesitant reaction to Fort Hood massacre. Oh, I don't know,
> Francis- must be a bee in my bonnet!//Anyway, there are many who have
> parents of mixed religions or have had other mixed experiences that
> wind up with sort of a religious stew- or have a leg in a couple- or
> even bounce through many beliefs and practices without a second
> thought that these may cancel each other out in a strict sense.
> On Nov 7, 8:22 am, frantheman <francis.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
> > Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
> > both precludes belonging to the other.
> > Francis
> > On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
> > > of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
> > > acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
> > > USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
> > > that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
> > > surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
> > > the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
> > > on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
> > > Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
> > > America" with a new set of events and characters.
> > > On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > > > horrible.
> > > > > dj
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
Which guy?//The area of the shootings was clerical so the security
would have been minimum, would be my guess.//Remember that Muslim who
threw the grenade against his fellow troops just before the invasion
of Iraq II? Anyway, I think there are bound to be isolated terrorists
given the suicide bombers- it just depends when one snaps. It will be
covered as an isolated event and blamed on stress but I think one has
to consider the historical overview/sequence along with the religious
dictate to kill the infidels.
On Nov 7, 8:59 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This guy was in touch with the same nutter who influenced 9/11
> players. What sort of security breaches have there been?
> On 8 Nov, 02:12, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > His father and step-father were Muslims; his mother was an atheist.
> > The South Side of Chicago is a hotbed of the Muslim Brotherhood. His
> > association of 20 years with Reverend Wright who is a Black militant
> > preacher. Appeasement speech in Egypt to Muslims. Dithering Afghan non-
> > decision. Hesitant reaction to Fort Hood massacre. Oh, I don't know,
> > Francis- must be a bee in my bonnet!//Anyway, there are many who have
> > parents of mixed religions or have had other mixed experiences that
> > wind up with sort of a religious stew- or have a leg in a couple- or
> > even bounce through many beliefs and practices without a second
> > thought that these may cancel each other out in a strict sense.
> > On Nov 7, 8:22 am, frantheman <francis.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
> > > Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
> > > both precludes belonging to the other.
> > > Francis
> > > On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
> > > > of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
> > > > acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
> > > > USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
> > > > that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
> > > > surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
> > > > the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
> > > > on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
> > > > Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
> > > > America" with a new set of events and characters.
> > > > On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > > > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > > > > horrible.
> > > > > > dj
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> His father and step-father were Muslims; his mother was an atheist.
> The South Side of Chicago is a hotbed of the Muslim Brotherhood. His
> association of 20 years with Reverend Wright who is a Black militant
> preacher. Appeasement speech in Egypt to Muslims. Dithering Afghan non-
> decision. Hesitant reaction to Fort Hood massacre. Oh, I don't know,
> Francis- must be a bee in my bonnet!//Anyway, there are many who have
> parents of mixed religions or have had other mixed experiences that
> wind up with sort of a religious stew- or have a leg in a couple- or
> even bounce through many beliefs and practices without a second
> thought that these may cancel each other out in a strict sense.
> On Nov 7, 8:22 am, frantheman <francis.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
> > Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
> > both precludes belonging to the other.
> > Francis
> > On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
> > > of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
> > > acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
> > > USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
> > > that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
> > > surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
> > > the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
> > > on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
> > > Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
> > > America" with a new set of events and characters.
> > > On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > > > horrible.
> > > > > dj
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in
Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls,
Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11
terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was
held there in May that year.
It's been a while for me, but I can say there is enough around about
this guy for him to have required positive vetting to be allowed near
anyone or thing sensitive. There is an almighty cock-up here.
On 8 Nov, 04:58, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> rigsy, you've just got to stop watching FOX!!! :-)
> On Nov 7, 6:12 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > His father and step-father were Muslims; his mother was an atheist.
> > The South Side of Chicago is a hotbed of the Muslim Brotherhood. His
> > association of 20 years with Reverend Wright who is a Black militant
> > preacher. Appeasement speech in Egypt to Muslims. Dithering Afghan non-
> > decision. Hesitant reaction to Fort Hood massacre. Oh, I don't know,
> > Francis- must be a bee in my bonnet!//Anyway, there are many who have
> > parents of mixed religions or have had other mixed experiences that
> > wind up with sort of a religious stew- or have a leg in a couple- or
> > even bounce through many beliefs and practices without a second
> > thought that these may cancel each other out in a strict sense.
> > On Nov 7, 8:22 am, frantheman <francis.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
> > > Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
> > > both precludes belonging to the other.
> > > Francis
> > > On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
> > > > of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
> > > > acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
> > > > USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
> > > > that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
> > > > surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
> > > > the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
> > > > on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
> > > > Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
> > > > America" with a new set of events and characters.
> > > > On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > > > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > > > > horrible.
> > > > > > dj
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Completely forgotten due to the Ft. Hood cowardly slayings is the
break-in at Bangor WA. Navy base by a few old, crazy people. My
brother is a civilian working for the Dpt. of the Navy in Bremerton
and he ended up having to deal with the fall-out. These people got no
where near anything important but it's still embarrassing and
potentially dangerous. I'm sure security will be beefed up even more
now due to these two incidences.
It's a real bummer too because before 9/11 I missed a chance to go on
a nuclear submarine. I ended up skipping the tour to stay and help my
brother build his dock(he lives on Kitsap Lake). Mom and Dad went and
had a blast. Mark said he'd get me on one another time and then the
next year, 9/11. Forget about it. Family can't even go on the base
any more. Fucking terrorists piss me off.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, gruff <trader...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "... On Nov 6, 9:51 am, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote: ..."
>> There is a lot worth understanding here, but in both cases, given some
>> expertise, I'm worried about lax security.
> Lax security seems to be the norm on U.S. military bases. Perhaps
> because they are at home and feel safe. I've no doubt this will now
> change as it should.
> When I was dealing in military surplus a few years back but still post
> 9/11, I was able to get on most bases and drive around freely with
> little more than showing my driver's license and proof of insurance.
> This always struck me as odd given the armament and high value targets
> that are on most bases. I once queried an MP at the gate about this
> apparent lack of security and he told me I should mind my own
> business. Go figure.
Agreed. It's infection of PC. This feel good
why-can't-we-all-get-along malarky has no place in the armed forces.
Yes, we need Muslims in the military and it might be a good idea to
have Muslim shrinks but this guy was trouble. I'm sure his superiors
just thought he was trying to get out of going to war and weren't
going to let him get away with it.
I still think he was self-medicating in a way only a shrink could get
away with. We'll see. I hope he lives and comes out of his coma. If
I was a praying man I'd be doing that too.
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:23 AM, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in
> Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls,
> Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11
> terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was
> held there in May that year.
> It's been a while for me, but I can say there is enough around about
> this guy for him to have required positive vetting to be allowed near
> anyone or thing sensitive. There is an almighty cock-up here.
> On 8 Nov, 04:58, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> rigsy, you've just got to stop watching FOX!!! :-)
>> On Nov 7, 6:12 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > His father and step-father were Muslims; his mother was an atheist.
>> > The South Side of Chicago is a hotbed of the Muslim Brotherhood. His
>> > association of 20 years with Reverend Wright who is a Black militant
>> > preacher. Appeasement speech in Egypt to Muslims. Dithering Afghan non-
>> > decision. Hesitant reaction to Fort Hood massacre. Oh, I don't know,
>> > Francis- must be a bee in my bonnet!//Anyway, there are many who have
>> > parents of mixed religions or have had other mixed experiences that
>> > wind up with sort of a religious stew- or have a leg in a couple- or
>> > even bounce through many beliefs and practices without a second
>> > thought that these may cancel each other out in a strict sense.
>> > On Nov 7, 8:22 am, frantheman <francis.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > Rigsy, why do you call Obama Muslim-Christian? What is a Muslim-
>> > > Christian? I would have thought that the specific self-definitions of
>> > > both precludes belonging to the other.
>> > > Francis
>> > > On 7 Nov., 14:55, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > > Yes- so were the terrorists on 9-11 as well as the kidnappings in Iran
>> > > > of USA embassy members 30 years ago along with the other intentional
>> > > > acts of terror against the West. There was sabotage by Germans in the
>> > > > USA during WWI along with war relief to their homeland but I think
>> > > > that was stopped with the Alien and Sedition Act. You might be
>> > > > surprised to learn how much we owe to German industrial know-how in
>> > > > the USA. At any rate, with a Muslim-Christian president who seems bent
>> > > > on appeasing the Muslim world, it's no surprise what happened at Fort
>> > > > Hood. Maybe we will get another novel like Roth's "The Plot Against
>> > > > America" with a new set of events and characters.
>> > > > On Nov 5, 7:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
>> > > > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
>> > > > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
>> > > > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
>> > > > > > horrible.
>> > > > > > dj
>> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
>> > > > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
>> > > > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
>> > > > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
>> > > > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
>> > > > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
>> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
On 6 Nov, 01:37, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
Of course, this incident happened at Ft. Hood. That's the centre
for Mind Control operations by the US Army (and has been since the
'80s when it was all handled by Col. M. Aquino, the rather infamous
satanist and leader of The Temple of Set). Not that there's any
chance that some psy-ops guy (an Aquino operative??) had a little
hypnosis session with a psychologist (the accused) and the outcome
serves as a pretense for more Islamophobia. Islam has nothing to do
with the what happened as Islam forbids murder (as well as suicide,
for those pre-disposed to think that suicide-bombings are a form of
martyrdom--they aren't as far as Islam is concerned). I think the
most interesting aspect OF this incident was the fact it was Ft.
Hood. That alone says something suspicious; at least to me.
> On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > horrible.
> > dj
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
> On 6 Nov, 01:37, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> Of course, this incident happened at Ft. Hood. That's the centre
> for Mind Control operations by the US Army (and has been since the
> '80s when it was all handled by Col. M. Aquino, the rather infamous
> satanist and leader of The Temple of Set). Not that there's any
> chance that some psy-ops guy (an Aquino operative??) had a little
> hypnosis session with a psychologist (the accused) and the outcome
> serves as a pretense for more Islamophobia. Islam has nothing to do
> with the what happened as Islam forbids murder (as well as suicide,
> for those pre-disposed to think that suicide-bombings are a form of
> martyrdom--they aren't as far as Islam is concerned). I think the
> most interesting aspect OF this incident was the fact it was Ft.
> Hood. That alone says something suspicious; at least to me.
> > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > horrible.
> > > dj
> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
> Of course, the current movie takes some liberties, the manual wasn’t
> one of them.
Scary stuff!! After all, a military mind is a terrible thing to
waste, so why not give it a good ol' psy-ops lavage (i.e., brainwash)
and let the good tanks..er..times roll. ;-)
> On Nov 9, 6:07 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 6 Nov, 01:37, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > He seems to have been experimenting with Islam.
> > Of course, this incident happened at Ft. Hood. That's the centre
> > for Mind Control operations by the US Army (and has been since the
> > '80s when it was all handled by Col. M. Aquino, the rather infamous
> > satanist and leader of The Temple of Set). Not that there's any
> > chance that some psy-ops guy (an Aquino operative??) had a little
> > hypnosis session with a psychologist (the accused) and the outcome
> > serves as a pretense for more Islamophobia. Islam has nothing to do
> > with the what happened as Islam forbids murder (as well as suicide,
> > for those pre-disposed to think that suicide-bombings are a form of
> > martyrdom--they aren't as far as Islam is concerned). I think the
> > most interesting aspect OF this incident was the fact it was Ft.
> > Hood. That alone says something suspicious; at least to me.
> > > On 6 Nov, 01:30, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I believe we will find out he was experimenting with drugs. Some
> > > > anti-psychotic cocktail. No one does this kind of thing unless they
> > > > are chemically altered somehow. At least I hope so. It is truly
> > > > horrible.
> > > > dj
> > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Why the surprise with all the family violence that goes on?// The
> > > > > killer was a psychiatrist- perhaps- with a Muslim/Middle Eastern name
> > > > > about to deploy to Iraq. Deceased.
> > > > > On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> First our regrets and respect for the victims and their families.
> > > > >> What is going on when we can't even protect our people in their own
> > > > >> barracks from people they are supposed to be working with?- Hide quoted text -
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