Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
From: Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:52:41 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 4:52 am
Subject: Re: In what way are you LEAST frugal?
Rally2xs wrote: Honestly? Filters used to be easier to find, but they're all over > On Nov 2, 11:02 pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Rally2xs wrote: >>> On Nov 1, 8:31 pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> Rally2xs wrote: >>>>> On Nov 1, 1:59 pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> Rally2xs wrote: >>>>>>> On Oct 31, 10:47 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Rally2xs wrote >>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>> Go to your Borders Bookstore or Barnes and Noble books. >>>>>>>>> Find the computer section. Pitiful, isn't it? >>>>>>>> Because we need fuck all in the way of new PC software >>>>>>>> and real programmers dont need books from Borders >>>>>>>> Bookstore or Barnes and Noble to write software. >>>>>>> Wrong. I am a programmer, and that is exactly where I buy my books, >>>>>>> if they have them. I now need to go to Amazon to get most of them, >>>>>>> 'cuz Borders doesn't have most of what I'm after. Only reason I'm an >>>>>>> American citizen who is a programmer is because the stuff I work with >>>>>>> has "Secret" stamped all over it, so they CAN'T send it to India. >>>>>> India is sucking exhaust right now. The Bangalore Bandit game >>>>>> is not sustainable. >>>>> Nevertheless, programming in the USA is doing very poorly. Have to >>>>> watched the CNN Money website that lists the "best jobs"? In years >>>>> past, "programmer" would be right up near the top. Now it doesn't >>>>> even appear. When I got here (DC area) 13 years ago, the Washington >>>>> Post had a whole section of job ads that was about 10 pages thick, and >>>>> was all tech jobs. Now there is no such section. The programming >>>>> jobs may or may not be in Bangalore, but the significant diference is >>>>> that they are not _here._ >>>> I've been in programming for 24 years. The whole field got >>>> oversold, about ... 13 or so years ago. But there's still >>>> going to be demand for people. In addition to Bangalore >>>> Bandits, other factors include increased webification, >>>> a general sag in telecomms ( largely from rapacious abuse >>>> by the investment community ) and free software. >>> Yeah, that free software thing is especially nuts. Work for free on >>> some piece of software? Er... why? Maybe it's just 'cuz I'm 62, but >>> that idea just doesn't seem to have any wings. >> But it's mostly won. > I don't think so. There's still nothing like Photoshop. It's as good the Web in source-code form. PS just has a serious head of steam in the marketplace, and for good reason. My PS intensive eldest evaluated The Gimp and found it wanting. But she said she could make it work. > Not happenin' with "free" software. Any games I don't know much about games. For all I know, the games I > as good as the Quake and Doom and etc. series that are free? liked best were for DOS, and free software people put together DOSBOX, and I can play Descent again. But open source doesn't always mean purely free. It is a > Don't People often also stick with what they know. For me, the value-added > think so. And, I don't have to wonder whether a commercial piece of > software is any good if it's been around for any time at all. If it > has, its only because people have been buying it. of Windows, hands down, is the Multimedia Extensions, which enable me to use a computer for pretty serious recording applications. >>> As a user, I _know_ I hate it - there's nobody to call up for tech But since you're effectively working by the hour... yes, I >>> support most of the time, and the documentation so far on some of the >>> stuff I've _tried_ to use always sucks. >> I can't count the number of times I've called tech support on >> one finger. If it don't work, over the side. Next. > Can't necessarily deep-6 something that doesn't work, if it happens to noticed that Those Companies pick the ugliest dog almost invariably. Oh well... > Get a I can't tell you how many times a software vendor has provided me the > dud of an open source program, have a problem, and you're up the creek > unless someone there can fix it. Shouldn't have to divert valuable > production time to fix your tools, y'know? opportunity to go around them. Even within their own framework. Nothing like a four-hour telecon with the lead and an ending like "yeah, >>> There's a Unix-based UML I'm having a ball. :) No, there's a deeper social malaise with all >>> drawing program that supposedly creates diagrams from source code. >>> Not on my computer it doesn't. It crashes. Documentation? Some guy >>> wrote something about 4 revisions back, that doesn't reflect the state >>> of the thing now at all, but who ya' gonna complain to? There's no >>> one that's paid to give a d***, so that'd likely be futile anyway. >> Nobody should be a programmer. I used to think it took five years, but >> I was wrong - it takes ten years, and they won't leave the toolchain >> under you long enough for that to happen. > Too bad its such fun, satisfying work, eh? Oh, well, only the Indians the instrumentation out there. Started with MacNamara, I think. >>>> Also WRT to the WaPo - the jobs aren't listed there any more - they It's a fair trade, and if you're flexible enough ( read: single ) >>>> are online. And increasingly, we're dependent on networking tools >>>> and knowing good - emphasis *good* - recruiters. >>> Everything's on Dice, eh? >> Well.. used to be. Try Indeed now. It'll be different next week. > Ha, how 'bout that. Didn't know it was there. Still doesn't have any it's probably a good experience. I know I'll probably never see The Pyramids. > Finally got a tech writing job Here's hoping. > near Baghdad. Did get shot at. Did make a pile. Will retire earlier > than I could have otherwise... Maybe something I did will save a (US, > or even allied) soldier someday.... hoping... >>>> Now - the *military* will see significant drop in demand, as I really don't think so. but this is not the place or time... >>>> that whole thing slides off into the sunset. In the private >>>> sector, there's a different problem - employers getting much, >>>> much dumber. >>> I wouldn't bet on that. Soon's somebody starts getting complacent, >>> we'll get hit again, maybe lose more than 3,000 people to some WMD >>> thing like Anthrax, and then there'll be a new region of the world >>> that needs their a**'s kicked, and we'll be developing more Tomahawk >>> software to do new and wonderous things... >> Okay then.... >> Look... all the Visa and Mastercharge the Mujahadeen used >> to finance all that... expired. >> Sorry. > Doesn't matter. They'll find a way, 1000's of Americans will die, our <snip> Programming really is testing. Trust me on this. >> What is the point? Foam-finger "we're #1" rot? That gains us nothing. We'll see. The problem with that, a detail that even Niall > I'm not sure what it gains us, either, other than if it's referenced Ferguson misses, is that the Chinese currency is pegged to the dollar. They've intentionally kept a weak currency to build market share. They can control money volume internally - all aspects of life within the Wall are severely subsized/centrally planned (still). if we drop, they drop. If they drop, the balance of trade shifts, All this works out to a self-regulating system whose stability will >>>> 2) At some point, China will develop a consumer class, and we'll be able it's one theory. >>>> to trade, roughly, goods for goods. >>> Not if we're not producing anything. >> Well, I'm trying. me and a half dozen other guys. > We need to be producing something that is valuable andt that millions >>>> Right now is a solution to the :) Delta GDP is like unto V. Gummint load is like R in shunt. We want >>>> problem the British ran against which led to the Boxer >>>> Rebellion. How this will play out remains to be seen - it's quite >>>> risky. But the cheapness of Chinese goods has made the quality of life >>>> during this time of flat wages much more tolerable. In the end, it's >>>> not really the number that matters, it's what that number will buy, and >>>> that is actually pretty good, once you get outside of housing. And >>>> housing is very sharply correcting as we speak... >>>> 3) The income tax is not optimal, but it's not that far off. And the >>>> problem is that "government load" in all directions is much lower here >>>> than it is in China, India, Europe or Japan. >>> Government load? >> See also Kirchoff. > Kirchoff made a law of electricity that I dimly remember from early I. dR/dt > 0 means dI/dt < 1. The secret is to phase government such that the various delays hide in reluctances and reactances of more active components of the economy, using lags to swing things. problem is, nobody is smart enough to do this. >>> And the income tax is and has been a disaster for our economy. 2nd Yeah, that one :) That's based on the hope of perception being >>> worst idea this country has ever had, right behind slavery. >> Yet it saw a spike in GDP pretty much unexplained in human history. In >> real, inflation adjusted GDP. > You mean, the cash for clunkers spike? That one? reality. Didn't get it past you, did they? >>>> The bottom line is that we can't have the sort of high growth we've I don't know why, but people are just dead set against it. Makes >>>> seen and a more-extensive social insurance system. Niall Ferguson has >>>> discussed this at length in "The Ascent of Money" online. >>> We're not going to need the social insurance system if we can get >>> everyone a good job, and that doesn't mean $7 / hr at Wal Mart. >> Don't bother them with details like that. > I'll bother 'em. no sense. Clinton got 'em over it, but since then.... flatness. >>>>> Then they will of What happens is that the system accounts for the income tax and >>>>> course stop. That will be the day of economic armageddon. >>>> Not with a bang, but with a whimper. >>> Again, say what? That day will be instant balanced budget day. >>> Sounds like a bang to me. >> There will be no sharp edge. It will be a slow decay. "Not with a bang >> but with a whimper..." > There will be an economic cataclysm on that day. Trust me. > They won't be fine, and they're not fine now. Everyone is making less everybody fudges the numbers to make it work. It's a highly adaptive system. They find shadows in the tax code and it all comes out in the wash. That trend will continue. 'Fer instance, Capt. > Sully, the Miracle on the Hudson pilot, made $100K last year. All No airline has ever earned its cost of capital. Direct quote > that experience, all that capability, and the guy makes $100K, 'cuz > American airlines are in the toilet, perpetually, due to... at least > in part... the damned income tax making profitability next to > impossible in the USA. from Robert Crandall. Sully has experienced the arrival of civilization in his specialty. > Hell, _I_ made $100K last year, courtesy of but grandma wants to pat $75 on Priceline to go see her grandkids > just 1 month of the 3 of my Iraq tour. I wrote counter-IED > documents. Sully should be making $250K or so for what he does. over Thanksgiving. I know - we used to put on a suit and tie in the '60s to pick people it sure used to be cooler. Now it's just a pain. >>>>> At that Sorta. My head's there, anyway. Bit farther South, tho. My >>>>> time, I expect thefair taxwill be passed, and maybe it won't be too >>>>> late. But there will be massive economic devastation and a monumental >>>>> debt to deal with if it gets that far. Better to pass theFair Tax >>>>> now, and become the manufacting center of the world again. >>>> But we don't *want* manufacturing jobs. Trust me on this; I've seen >>>> it first hand. And I've posted "We Can't Make It Here Anymore" lyrics on >>>> Usenet before... >>> Who doesn't want manufacturing? I sure as H want manufacturing. >> Nobody wants it. I saw it firsthand. When people get to vote, >> the factory goes. People build up resentment like scale in >> a copper water pipe well grounded. > Where do you live? Probably not in the midwest. accent is, by analysis, Midwestern, and I Get Garrison Keillor. > Tell people that But you've just described *exactly* the premise of "The Music man". > Ford, Chrysler, etc. is going to build a plant in my hometown, and all > the people there will be sending them Christmas candy. People there > know where their bread is buttered, not like the whiney bunch where I > live now, that dedicate their lives to keeping anyone from building > anything new. Even the Kalihari waterpark in Fredericksburg, Va. has > had a hard way to go to get built, and this is a tourist area, fer > cryin' out loud. No, there may not be many new auto plants in > Virginia, but stick it in Fostoria, Ohio and it will be welcomed with > open arms. Think Simpsons. Think "Monorail". >>> This It's poorly organized. >>> is the only way that we can give those people that work with their >>> hands something prosperous to do. Without manufacturing, those guys >>> that I said can wire and plumb a factory 'fore you can turn around >>> twice don't have anything significant to do, and end up at... Wal >>> Mart, stocking the shelves or something. >> Yeah, but do you consciously buy from them? I try, but it's hopeless. > I buy in Wal Mart - what's so hard about that? > But we need to get I hear ya, buddy. I hear ya. I dunno either. But I hear the sound of a > people that can work with their hands into jobs that pay $30 / hr, not > 7. That way, we can tax 'em, and they can have good lives. The Fair > Tax can do that. I don't know any other way. nail being struck on the head. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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