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Michael Stemper  
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 More options Nov 17 2009, 7:39 pm
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From: mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:39:20 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 7:39 pm
Subject: Bums at Charter
As I've said here, I was planning on entering the 21st Century by
moving from dialup through work to my own high-speed internet
access. I just called Charter to sign up for an appointment to
get it installed next weeek, when I'm taking off from work.

They want my Social Security nember! Apparently, there was somebody
in Duluth with the same name who stiffed them, and they want my
SSN to prove that it wasn't me.

Unfortunately, they seem to be without competitors that I can go to.
I guess that I stay in the 20th century.

--
Michael F. Stemper
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mevans@gcfn.org  
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 More options Nov 17 2009, 9:05 pm
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From: "mev...@gcfn.org" <mev...@gcfn.org>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:05:41 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter
On Nov 17, 1:39 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
wrote:

Call Social Security and complain.  My card says it is not an ID
card.  And if Charter insists, demand a copy of their tax ID and a
copy of their incorporation papers.  Make them prove who they are
first.  Won't help you get service but you might feel better.  Oh yes,
ask for the name of who you talk to and have them spell it.  Bugs the
heck out of the corporate drones.

mark evans


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David Loewe, Jr.  
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 More options Nov 17 2009, 9:54 pm
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From: "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:54:15 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:05:41 -0800 (PST), "mev...@gcfn.org"

The newer ones don't say that.

>And if Charter insists, demand a copy of their tax ID and a
>copy of their incorporation papers.  Make them prove who they are
>first.  Won't help you get service but you might feel better.  Oh yes,
>ask for the name of who you talk to and have them spell it.  Bugs the
>heck out of the corporate drones.

--
"Soldiers, when I give the command to fire, fire straight at my heart.
 Wait for the order. It will be my last to you. I protest against my
 condemnation. I have fought a hundred battles for France, and not
 one against her ... Soldiers, Fire!"
   - the Last Words of Michel Ney

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Keith F. Lynch  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 4:17 am
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From: "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:17:13 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter

Michael Stemper <mstem...@siemens-emis.com> wrote:
> As I've said here, I was planning on entering the 21st Century
> by moving from dialup through work to my own high-speed internet
> access.  I just called Charter to sign up for an appointment to
> get it installed next weeek, when I'm taking off from work.
> They want my Social Security nember!  Apparently, there was somebody
> in Duluth with the same name who stiffed them, and they want my SSN
> to prove that it wasn't me.
> Unfortunately, they seem to be without competitors that I can go to.
> I guess that I stay in the 20th century.

Thank you for refusing rather than knuckling under.

Very likely you can argue them out of it if you're sufficiently
persistent.  Especially if you go to their head office in person.
--
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Howard S Shubs  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 6:27 am
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From: Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:27:05 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 6:27 am
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter
In article
<fa68be07-e004-48bb-9e0c-2fad758cc...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,

 "mev...@gcfn.org" <mev...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> Call Social Security and complain.  My card says it is not an ID
> card.

The SSA removed that wording in later versions. :-/

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Tim Illingworth  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 5:01 pm
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From: Tim Illingworth <t...@bellhouse.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:01:50 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:05:41 -0800 (PST), "mev...@gcfn.org"

<mev...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>On Nov 17, 1:39 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
>wrote:
>> As I've said here, I was planning on entering the 21st Century by
>> moving from dialup through work to my own high-speed internet
>> access. I just called Charter to sign up for an appointment to
>> get it installed next weeek, when I'm taking off from work.

>> They want my Social Security nember! Apparently, there was somebody
>> in Duluth with the same name who stiffed them, and they want my
>> SSN to prove that it wasn't me.
>Call Social Security and complain.  My card says it is not an ID
>card.

Unfortunately, they want to prove not who Michael /is/, but who he
/isn't/, which probably isn't covered.

Tim


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cryptoguy  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 5:06 pm
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From: cryptoguy <treifam...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:06:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter
On Nov 17, 1:39 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
wrote:

> As I've said here, I was planning on entering the 21st Century by
> moving from dialup through work to my own high-speed internet
> access. I just called Charter to sign up for an appointment to
> get it installed next weeek, when I'm taking off from work.

> They want my Social Security nember! Apparently, there was somebody
> in Duluth with the same name who stiffed them, and they want my
> SSN to prove that it wasn't me.

> Unfortunately, they seem to be without competitors that I can go to.
> I guess that I stay in the 20th century.

As Keith notes, many corporations will, if pressed, let you use
another ID number of some kind. One way to do this is say that you're
Canadian, and don't have an SSN.

As for the legality of using SSNs, the restriction is, as I understand
it, only for non-employment related governmental use. Non government
entities are free to request it, and you are free to refuse to do so.
Of course, if you refuse, they are free to not do business with you.

It sucks.

pt


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Dorothy J Heydt  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 6:37 pm
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From: djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:37:19 GMT
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter
In article <8ac2bffd-0ac7-44fa-b8d7-4a013b19b...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

Would they then not ask to see your green card?

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Keith F. Lynch  
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 More options Nov 19 2009, 2:30 am
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From: "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 2:30 am
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter

cryptoguy <treifam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As Keith notes, many corporations will, if pressed, let you use
> another ID number of some kind.

For a phone company, a good choice would be one's phone number.

> One way to do this is say that you're Canadian, and don't have
> an SSN.

Or you could say that you're an American, but don't have one.  There's
no law that every US citizen must have one.  Or, like me, you could
tell the truth and say that you have one but don't give it out.

> As for the legality of using SSNs, the restriction is, as I
> understand it, only for non-employment related governmental use.
> Non government entities are free to request it, and you are free to
> refuse to do so.  Of course, if you refuse, they are free to not do
> business with you.

In my experience, such refusal is extremely rare, though you may have
to argue with several levels of management.
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William December Starr  
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 More options Nov 24 2009, 3:29 am
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From: wdst...@panix.com (William December Starr)
Date: 23 Nov 2009 21:29:09 -0500
Local: Tues, Nov 24 2009 3:29 am
Subject: Re: Bums at Charter
In article <hdvovp$hb...@reader1.panix.com>,
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> said:

> Very likely you can argue them out of it if you're sufficiently
> persistent.  Especially if you go to their head office in person.

Where it's a toss-up as to whether they'd let him in or have
Security eject the dangerous nutjob before he starts shooting.

-- wds


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