Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is rotting from the inside out)
ic ^ | October 14, 2009 | Joseph Meaney
Posted on 15 October 2009 00:20:12 by NYer
On my most recent visit to Amsterdam for the World Congress of Families (WCF), I was once again struck by the remarkable façade of peaceful, tolerant prosperity the Dutch maintain. Although its famous openness to lust and license is ever more apparent, Amsterdam's charm remains in its tidy homes, shops, museums, and beautiful (though empty) churches.
The simple fact, however, is that this beacon of liberalism worldwide is rotting from the inside out and must increasingly rely on deception to keep up appearances as a nation of tolerance, peace, and prosperity.
That was made nowhere more apparent than at the WCF, a biannual event that brings together pro-family and pro-life persons from around the globe. The mainstream press debated the acceptability of allowing it to take place in Amsterdam and condemned the participation of Dutch elected officials in the congress. Anarchist anti-family protestors trashed the WCF office and spray-painted messages with slogans like "Christian Fundamentalists Go Home and Die" and "Pro-Choice" on the walls leading up to the conference center. City workers removed the graffiti within a few hours of its appearance in a remarkable demonstration of efficiency.
Dutch authorities have become quite adept at painting over the anti- family and anti-life attitudes that are eroding not only the last vestiges of their rich culture but what remains of the Dutch people themselves. Their total population is 16.7 million; those 65 or older make up almost 15 percent of the inhabitants (as opposed to the United States, whose 65-or-over citizens account for 12.8 percent of the population). The percentage of youths aged 15 or younger is declining, and within that demographic group is an increasing number of foreign immigrants. It has been reported widely that the most common name chosen for a male child born in Amsterdam today is Mohammed (as is the case in London, Brussels, Oslo, and Copenhagen). Arguments about religion, ethnicity, and assimilation aside, it doesn't take a trained demographer to notice that this trend does not bode well for the European Dutch.
This proudly progressive nation increasingly tries to maintain its air of normalcy and prosperity by sophisticated deception. They frequently claim their country has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world, at 6.5 abortions per 1,000 women, or about 22,400 a year. They also claim a very low teen pregnancy rate.
But this is simply statistical sleight of hand. Although the Dutch faithfully use birth control, anyone who studies family planning knows the failure rates for contraceptives are very high. Combine the inevitable failure of pregnancy prevention with an openly promiscuous populace, and you inevitably will see large numbers of pregnancies.
So are the Netherlands an exception to this rule? Some claim that their "double-Dutch" method of using both hormonal contraception and condoms works better than most other countries' birth-control practices. Something rarely discussed in this context, however, is the fact that it is now common practice for a woman in Holland whose period is late to go to her general-practice physician and receive a "menstrual extraction," or "menstrual regulation" -- a clever euphemism for a procedure essentially consisting in manually vacuuming the contents of her womb.
But here's the catch: In these cases, no pregnancy test is done to determine if the procedure aborted a preborn human in the first few days of life. Menstrual extractions are thus never recorded as abortions, which they almost certainly are in a large number of cases. The official Dutch statistics therefore grossly underreport the real number of abortions.
Euthanasia is another area where the official numbers paint a misleading picture. Dr. Henk Jochemsen, holder of the Lindeboom Chair for Medical Ethics at the Free University in Amsterdam, reported that the Netherlands acknowledges around 2,300 deaths by euthanasia each year, including hundreds of patients who never explicitly requested such a death. As if this weren't already disturbing enough, he also revealed that over 11,000 people a year die while under "deep sedation." This procedure is sold as a compassionate option for the terminally ill, a way for them to end their lives with dignity. It was originally designed to be rarely employed, and only then for patients in their last few hours of life suffering pain that was difficult to control.
But deep sedation as currently practiced in the Netherlands has become a widespread form of passive euthanasia. Dr. Jochemsen explained that the cause of death nowadays is usually not the disease but lack of food and hydration -- in short, patients are routinely starved and dehydrated while drugged into an unconscious state, a fact not revealed by the doctors.
Needless to say, these deaths while under deep sedation are not counted as euthanasia in Holland, even though they account for more than four times as many deaths as the "official" euthanasia numbers. (For more information on these issues, visit www.lindeboominstituut.nl.)
The land of progressivism run amok loves to proclaim itself a diverse hedonists' paradise and an island of tolerance. Dishonest statistics may maintain the clever illusion for a time, but the current version of Dutch liberalism is unlikely to endure much longer. It simply cannot be sustained: Their enthusiasm for euthanasia may wipe out the Dutch even faster than the other European nations with below- replacement birthrates.
Many ethnic groups have disappeared throughout the course of history, generally by assimilation into other peoples who placed a higher value on having children. It would be a tragedy if the unique people and culture of the Netherlands, for love of license and convenience, decided to cease to exist. Yet this slow suicide is already far advanced. As European Dutch culture moves from present to past, it seems they've chosen nationwide deep sedation.
> Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is > rotting from the inside out)
Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten because it doesn't cater to the extreme right-wing variety of "christians" to the exclusion of all other possible ideas.
In article <hd1sl9$ev...@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild says...
>Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>> Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is >> rotting from the inside out)
>Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten because it doesn't >cater to the extreme right-wing variety of "christians" to the exclusion >of all other possible ideas.
Well not really. It makes some good points about culture and demographic change. Although the following isn't necessarily just a Dutch thing:
quote: "But deep sedation as currently practiced in the Netherlands has become a widespread form of passive euthanasia." end quote.
This is common in Britain too.
One of my own elderly relatives had a massive heart attack, was terminally ill, very frail and in a lot of pain, so he was allowed to die under deep sedation.
We don't have euthanasia here, so that is not euthanasia in the legal sense. Anyway, I don't care about the legality, because it was the loving thing to do. He was never going to get better and the only thing that was left was endless pain, and we didn't want him to suffer like that.
> Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is > rotting from the inside out)
> ic ^ | October 14, 2009 | Joseph Meaney
> Posted on 15 October 2009 00:20:12 by NYer
> On my most recent visit to Amsterdam for the World Congress of > Families (WCF), I was once again struck by the remarkable façade of > peaceful, tolerant prosperity the Dutch maintain. Although its famous > openness to lust and license is ever more apparent, Amsterdam's charm > remains in its tidy homes, shops, museums, and beautiful (though > empty) churches.
> The simple fact, however, is that this beacon of liberalism worldwide > is rotting from the inside out and must increasingly rely on deception > to keep up appearances as a nation of tolerance, peace, and > prosperity.
> That was made nowhere more apparent than at the WCF, a biannual event > that brings together pro-family and pro-life persons from around the > globe. The mainstream press debated the acceptability of allowing it > to take place in Amsterdam and condemned the participation of Dutch > elected officials in the congress. Anarchist anti-family protestors > trashed the WCF office and spray-painted messages with slogans like > "Christian Fundamentalists Go Home and Die" and "Pro-Choice" on the > walls leading up to the conference center. City workers removed the > graffiti within a few hours of its appearance in a remarkable > demonstration of efficiency.
> Dutch authorities have become quite adept at painting over the anti- > family and anti-life attitudes that are eroding not only the last > vestiges of their rich culture but what remains of the Dutch people > themselves. Their total population is 16.7 million; those 65 or older > make up almost 15 percent of the inhabitants (as opposed to the United > States, whose 65-or-over citizens account for 12.8 percent of the > population). The percentage of youths aged 15 or younger is declining, > and within that demographic group is an increasing number of foreign > immigrants. It has been reported widely that the most common name > chosen for a male child born in Amsterdam today is Mohammed (as is the > case in London, Brussels, Oslo, and Copenhagen). Arguments about > religion, ethnicity, and assimilation aside, it doesn't take a trained > demographer to notice that this trend does not bode well for the > European Dutch.
> This proudly progressive nation increasingly tries to maintain its air > of normalcy and prosperity by sophisticated deception. They frequently > claim their country has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world, > at 6.5 abortions per 1,000 women, or about 22,400 a year. They also > claim a very low teen pregnancy rate.
> But this is simply statistical sleight of hand. Although the Dutch > faithfully use birth control, anyone who studies family planning knows > the failure rates for contraceptives are very high. Combine the > inevitable failure of pregnancy prevention with an openly promiscuous > populace, and you inevitably will see large numbers of pregnancies.
> So are the Netherlands an exception to this rule? Some claim that > their "double-Dutch" method of using both hormonal contraception and > condoms works better than most other countries' birth-control > practices. Something rarely discussed in this context, however, is the > fact that it is now common practice for a woman in Holland whose > period is late to go to her general-practice physician and receive a > "menstrual extraction," or "menstrual regulation" -- a clever > euphemism for a procedure essentially consisting in manually vacuuming > the contents of her womb.
> But here's the catch: In these cases, no pregnancy test is done to > determine if the procedure aborted a preborn human in the first few > days of life. Menstrual extractions are thus never recorded as > abortions, which they almost certainly are in a large number of cases. > The official Dutch statistics therefore grossly underreport the real > number of abortions.
> Euthanasia is another area where the official numbers paint a > misleading picture. Dr. Henk Jochemsen, holder of the Lindeboom Chair > for Medical Ethics at the Free University in Amsterdam, reported that > the Netherlands acknowledges around 2,300 deaths by euthanasia each > year, including hundreds of patients who never explicitly requested > such a death. As if this weren't already disturbing enough, he also > revealed that over 11,000 people a year die while under "deep > sedation." This procedure is sold as a compassionate option for the > terminally ill, a way for them to end their lives with dignity. It was > originally designed to be rarely employed, and only then for patients > in their last few hours of life suffering pain that was difficult to > control.
> But deep sedation as currently practiced in the Netherlands has become > a widespread form of passive euthanasia. Dr. Jochemsen explained that > the cause of death nowadays is usually not the disease but lack of > food and hydration -- in short, patients are routinely starved and > dehydrated while drugged into an unconscious state, a fact not > revealed by the doctors.
> Needless to say, these deaths while under deep sedation are not > counted as euthanasia in Holland, even though they account for more > than four times as many deaths as the "official" euthanasia numbers. > (For more information on these issues, visitwww.lindeboominstituut.nl.)
> The land of progressivism run amok loves to proclaim itself a diverse > hedonists' paradise and an island of tolerance. Dishonest statistics > may maintain the clever illusion for a time, but the current version > of Dutch liberalism is unlikely to endure much longer. It simply > cannot be sustained: Their enthusiasm for euthanasia may wipe out the > Dutch even faster than the other European nations with below- > replacement birthrates.
> Many ethnic groups have disappeared throughout the course of history, > generally by assimilation into other peoples who placed a higher value > on having children. It would be a tragedy if the unique people and > culture of the Netherlands, for love of license and convenience, > decided to cease to exist. Yet this slow suicide is already far > advanced. As European Dutch culture moves from present to past, it > seems they've chosen nationwide deep sedation.
I remember a student from the Netherlands at an American university when asked how he liked America replying, :"It's nice to be in a country where you don't need to be so clean all the time."
On Nov 6, 2:16 pm, Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> > Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is > > rotting from the inside out)
> Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten because it doesn't > cater to the extreme right-wing variety of "christians" to the exclusion > of all other possible ideas.
One of the really odd things I have read, and admired, about the Netherlands is how many voters are fairly traditional and religious in their personal views on many issues but manage to vote to _mind their own business_
> On Nov 6, 2:16 pm, Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
> > Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> > > Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is > > > rotting from the inside out)
> > Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten because it doesn't > > cater to the extreme right-wing variety of "christians" to the exclusion > > of all other possible ideas.
> One of the really odd things I have read, and admired, about the > Netherlands is how many voters are fairly traditional and religious in > their personal views on many issues but manage to vote to _mind their > own business_
> -- > Will in New Haven
If only most American could learn to do that... <Sigh>
>On Nov 6, 2:36 pm, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> >wrote: >> On Nov 6, 2:16 pm, Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
>> > Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>> > > Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is >> > > rotting from the inside out)
>> > Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten because it doesn't >> > cater to the extreme right-wing variety of "christians" to the exclusion >> > of all other possible ideas.
>> One of the really odd things I have read, and admired, about the >> Netherlands is how many voters are fairly traditional and religious in >> their personal views on many issues but manage to vote to _mind their >> own business_
>> -- >> Will in New Haven
>If only most American could learn to do that... <Sigh>
Even the Dutch who came to the US in the past century or so don't seem to have the hang of it.
On Nov 6, 12:40 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com> wrote:
snip crap
I think I finallly understand why theistic morons continue to claim that post-Christian societies in Europe are in decline. It's because they're not talking about the *usual* measures of a society's health (wealth, health, levels of crime, etc.). They only measure a society by how well it upholds the tenants of their myth. It doesn't matter that the Netherlands is a largely peaceful, happy nation, getting along just fine on their own..they're "rotting" simply because they don't choose to live the same way as the kind of idiot who wrote the article.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta. aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2362546/posts > Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is > rotting from the inside out) > ic ^ | October 14, 2009 | Joseph Meaney > Posted on 15 October 2009 00:20:12 by NYer
The Dutch are a normal, decent, wholesome people who have both the right and the need to keep filthy religious people out of their lives and their country! Bible, sick, degenerate and evil. Sex, good! -- http://folding.stanford.edu Save lives, visit today!
"Panama Floyd" <panamfl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Sound of Bullcrap"<SoundOfHatefuln...@dcemail.com> wrote: ><snip crap> > I think I finallly understand why theistic morons continue to claim > that post-Christian societies in Europe are in decline. It's because > they're not talking about the *usual* measures of a society's health > (wealth, health, levels of crime, etc.). They only measure a society > by how well it upholds the tenants of their myth. It doesn't matter > that the Netherlands is a largely peaceful, happy nation, getting > along just fine on their own..they're "rotting" simply because they > don't choose to live the same way as the kind of idiot who wrote the > article.
NICE summary!
The Netherlands is doing just FINE -- and there just may not be a BETTER place on the entire planet to live than in Amsterdam!
They'll CONTINUE to do fine as long as they continue to REJECT the RRR Cult and its hateful, sociopathic, repressive, and unconscionably-absurd and irrational agendas.
And I extend that same advice to ALL of the OTHER nations of the world. This is a uniquely-AMERICAN infestation. Every- one should ensure that it REMAINS such, until we in America DISPOSE of all of those hate-agendas and render them EXTINCT, forevermore, never to be heard from again.
>-Panama Floyd, Atlanta. >aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
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The thing I remember about my visits to the Netherlands is that public policy is not based on religion or emotion. If they have a problem, they study it, figure out what works and what doesn't, and then do the right thing.
On Nov 6, 5:22 pm, f...@green.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
> The thing I remember about my visits to the Netherlands is that public > policy is not based on religion or emotion. If they have a problem, > they study it, figure out what works and what doesn't, and then do the > right thing.
How different from the US, where the patter is to select a problem, study it, figure out what works and what doesn't, and then do the wrong thing.
How do you know Netherlands does the "right thing"?
> In article <hd1sl9$ev...@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild says...
> >Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> >> Laying the Netherlands to Sleep (a beacon of liberalism worldwide is > >> rotting from the inside out)
> >Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten because it doesn't > >cater to the extreme right-wing variety of "christians" to the exclusion > >of all other possible ideas.
> Well not really. It makes some good points about > culture and demographic change. > Although the following isn't necessarily just > a Dutch thing:
> quote: > "But deep sedation as currently practiced in the Netherlands has become > a widespread form of passive euthanasia." > end quote.
> This is common in Britain too.
> One of my own elderly relatives had a massive heart > attack, was terminally ill, very frail and in a lot of > pain, so he was allowed to die under deep sedation.
> We don't have euthanasia here, so that is not > euthanasia in the legal sense.
Heh! Isn't Emma cute?
> Anyway, I don't care about the legality, ...
Herself the height of parody, her comments are impossible to parody, satirize, or even characterize.
<j...@xmission.com> wrote: > Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten > because it doesn't cater to the extreme right-wing > variety of "christians" to the exclusion of all other > possible ideas.
Also because it involuntarily euthanizes (lays to sleep) ten thousand inconvenient and unwanted sick people each year.
Though I see that as an argument for private medical insurance, rather than as a slippery slope argument about abortion. If we are going to have government medicine, we realistically have to get rid of those that are poor, sick, and excessively expensive.
If you are in favor of that, say so, as I just did. If you deny being in favor of that, you are being hypocritical and dishonest when you disagree with the original poster.
If you believe, or pretend to believe, that you can have government medicine without involuntary euthanasia, then you have to agree with the original poster that the Netherlands is rotting from within.
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:16:03 -0700, Jon Schild > <j...@xmission.com> wrote: >> Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten >> because it doesn't cater to the extreme right-wing >> variety of "christians" to the exclusion of all other >> possible ideas.
> Also because it involuntarily euthanizes (lays to sleep) > ten thousand inconvenient and unwanted sick people each > year.
> Though I see that as an argument for private medical > insurance, rather than as a slippery slope argument > about abortion. If we are going to have government > medicine, we realistically have to get rid of those that > are poor, sick, and excessively expensive.
Of course, and without it we would have unlimited resources just like all sick people in the US have now.
> If you are in favor of that, say so, as I just did. If > you deny being in favor of that, you are being > hypocritical and dishonest when you disagree with the > original poster.
> If you believe, or pretend to believe, that you can have > government medicine without involuntary euthanasia, then > you have to agree with the original poster that the > Netherlands is rotting from within.
How odd, we have government financed medical care, yet we do not have euthanasia involuntary or otherwise. Reality is so annoying isn't it?
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:16:03 -0700, Jon Schild ><j...@xmission.com> wrote: >> Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten >> because it doesn't cater to the extreme right-wing >> variety of "christians" to the exclusion of all other >> possible ideas.
>Also because it involuntarily euthanizes (lays to sleep) >ten thousand inconvenient and unwanted sick people each >year.
> > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:16:03 -0700, Jon Schild > > <j...@xmission.com> wrote: > >> Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten > >> because it doesn't cater to the extreme right-wing > >> variety of "christians" to the exclusion of all other > >> possible ideas.
> > Also because it involuntarily euthanizes (lays to sleep) > > ten thousand inconvenient and unwanted sick people each > > year.
> > Though I see that as an argument for private medical > > insurance, rather than as a slippery slope argument > > about abortion. If we are going to have government > > medicine, we realistically have to get rid of those that > > are poor, sick, and excessively expensive.
> Of course, and without it we would have unlimited resources just like all > sick people in the US have now.
> > If you are in favor of that, say so, as I just did. If > > you deny being in favor of that, you are being > > hypocritical and dishonest when you disagree with the > > original poster.
> > If you believe, or pretend to believe, that you can have > > government medicine without involuntary euthanasia, then > > you have to agree with the original poster that the > > Netherlands is rotting from within.
> How odd, we have government financed medical care, yet we do not have > euthanasia involuntary or otherwise. Reality is so annoying isn't it?
How odd, indeed. We do NOT have government financed medical care, yet we DO have euthanasia, involuntary and otherwise.
Terri Schiavo is evidence of the "thana" (death) part, though in her case it was far from "eu" (beautiful). It was simply starvation.
> >On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:16:03 -0700, Jon Schild > ><j...@xmission.com> wrote: > >> Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten > >> because it doesn't cater to the extreme right-wing > >> variety of "christians" to the exclusion of all other > >> possible ideas.
> >Also because it involuntarily euthanizes (lays to sleep) > >ten thousand inconvenient and unwanted sick people each > >year.
> > If you believe, or pretend to believe, that you can have > > government medicine without involuntary euthanasia, then > > you have to agree with the original poster that the > > Netherlands is rotting from within.
"thomas p."
> How odd, we have government financed medical care, yet we do not have > euthanasia involuntary or otherwise.
I don't believe that. Rather, I believe that disposal of the poor is furtive. But if you believe that, then you are going to have to agree with the original poster that Denmark is rotting from within, and that this is evidence suggesting that abortion creates a slippery slope to euthanasia.
>On Nov 6, 11:28=A0am, Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> This is common in Britain too.
>> One of my own elderly relatives had a massive heart >> attack, was terminally ill, very frail and in a lot of >> pain, so he was allowed to die under deep sedation.
>> We don't have euthanasia here, so that is not >> euthanasia in the legal sense.
>Heh! Isn't Emma cute?
>> Anyway, I don't care about the legality, ...
>Herself the height of parody, her comments are impossible to parody, >satirize, or even characterize.
Hmmm.... maybe I should re-phrase that.
I obviously do care about the law. I meant that I approve of doctors - *very* occasionally, and out of concern and compassion for the patient - pushing the law to its limit.
We need a law against euthanasia to protect the vulnerable, but we sometimes need to give doctors room to allow for compassion.
In article <4rt9f5dfdf04sr9ra309ecr6oifvi2v...@4ax.com>, James A. Donald says...
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:16:03 -0700, Jon Schild ><j...@xmission.com> wrote: >> Long boring rant on how The Netherlands is rotten >> because it doesn't cater to the extreme right-wing >> variety of "christians" to the exclusion of all other >> possible ideas.
>Also because it involuntarily euthanizes (lays to sleep) >ten thousand inconvenient and unwanted sick people each >year.
Where do you get your statistics from, and what do you mean by "involunatarily"? Do you mean death under deep sedation? I imagine that happens everywhere in the West. I would very surprised if doctors are leaving terminally patients in unbearable pain.
Do you seriously think anyone would choose to have a long, drawn out, and agonising death? Better to have that massive dose of pain relief that indirectly leads to a peaceful end.
>Though I see that as an argument for private medical >insurance, rather than as a slippery slope argument >about abortion. If we are going to have government >medicine, we realistically have to get rid of those that >are poor, sick, and excessively expensive.
Whereas in the American system, people die much earlier through lack of any health care at all.
Anyway, apparently assisted suicide is legal in one part of the US.
>If you believe, or pretend to believe, that you can have >government medicine without involuntary euthanasia, then >you have to agree with the original poster that the >Netherlands is rotting from within.
The Netherlands is a great country. Euthanasia really isn't very widespread. It's far more controlled than this article says.
In article <ac814e6c-41fb-46bc-8485-a48696353...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Sound of Trumpet says...
I read the article too quickly the first time round. This statement is just plain silly:
quote: Their enthusiasm for euthanasia may wipe out the Dutch even faster than the other European nations with below- replacement birthrates. end quote:
The euthanasia statistics are tiny. So how can it possibly "wipe out the Dutch"?
In article <19e8d28b-e5f3-4df5-833d-49baa8b9d...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com>, Terry Cross says...
>How odd, indeed. We do NOT have government financed medical care, yet >we DO have euthanasia, involuntary and otherwise.
>Terri Schiavo is evidence of the "thana" (death) part, though in her >case it was far from "eu" (beautiful). It was simply starvation.
Well exactly. Euthanasia is a very difficult and emotive area and has nothing to do with the different types of health systems. It happens everywhere.
There are Christians on both sides of the debate; for and against euthanasia.
I support death under deep sedation because I've witnessed the peace it brings in the *very last stages* of terminal illness.
It also seems to be commonly accepted as compassionate and right in the *last stages*. I hadn't considered it to be "euthanasia" in the commonly accepted understanding of the word, since it is not directly ending a life.
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