Russian revolutionary Lenin died from the sex disease syphilis NOT a stroke, claims historian
Daily Mail ^ | October 23, 2009 | Daily Mail Reporter
Posted on 23 October 2009 18:08:59 by bogusname
Historians have long agreed that Russian revolutionary Vladimir Ilyich Lenin suffered a series of three strokes that eventually led to his death.
But new evidence has been uncovered that appears to show Lenin actually succumbed to the sexually transmitted disease, syphilis.
The Soviets made huge attempts to cover up the real reasons for Lenin's erratic behaviour and sudden bouts of rage in the years leading up to his death in 1924.
But now British author Helen Rappaport believes she has found evidence that proves Lenin suffered from endartitis luetica - neurosyphilis - a form of the disease that affects the brain.
In papers held at Columbia University in New York, she has found a reference to the true nature of Lenin's disease made by the eminent Russian scientist Ivan Pavlov.
The Nobel winner - famous for his conditioning work with dogs - once stated that the 'revolution was made by a madman with syphilis of the brain,' she has discovered.
Rappaport, who has written a number of books on Russian history, believes that it is likely that he caught the disease from a prostitute in Paris in about 1902.
The Soviets put Lenin's erratic behaviour down to arteriosclerosis - a disease affecting the brain that syphilis mimics in many of its characteristics.
From the end of 1921 he suffered a series of catastrophic physical attacks leading to progressive paralysis.
Rappaport states it left him, by the time of his death, a 'confused and helpless cripple, deprived of the power of speech and with an insane, fixed stare.'
Rappaport has made the discovery following the publication of her book 'Conspirator: Lenin in Exile' as she was determined to substantiate her claim.
She said: 'It was the unspoken belief of many top Kremlin doctors and scientists that Lenin died of syphilis, but a decades-long conspiracy of silence was forced on them by the authorities. Enlarge Vladimir Lenin
Vladimir Lenin addresses soldiers of the new Soviet Army in Red Square in Moscow on May 25, 1919 Enlarge
The body of the Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin lies in the Mausoleum on Red Square in Moscow
'But through it all, none was more vocal in his assertion of this fact than the great Professor Ivan Pavlov, pioneer of the Pavlov's Dog theory.
'After the revolution in 1917 Pavlov became violently opposed to Bolshevism and what he saw as the monstrous 'Soviet Experiment' under which human beings were treated worse than experimental frogs in a lab.
'Nevertheless, realising Pavlov's genius and usefulness to the state, Lenin had assiduously courted him.'
Rappaport said that Pavlov was allowed to make such controversial statement on Lenin's condition because the Russian leader had granted him immunity because he relaised how useful he was to the state.
On his way to a congress in London, Pavlov had stopped to visit an old friend in Paris, Dr Mikhail Zernov.
'During conversation, Pavlov maintained to Zernov that Lenin had suffered from syphilis and that during his time as Soviet leader he had manifested all the classic signs of someone sick with progressive paralysis brought on by the disease,' says Rappaport.
'Pavlov knew the eminent scientists who had been called in to examine Lenin's brain after his death in 1924 and they all concurred in this diagnosis.
'It was an open secret among them, but of course none stated it publicly and there are no official Soviet records documenting it.
'The Kremlin doctors who examined Lenin were all forbidden to talk about it - under pain of death - and forced to sanitize the official record.'
Many other famous names in the past who had contracted syphilis- including Nietzsche, Maupassant, Goethe and Donizetti - also experienced periods of extreme manic behaviour and productivity followed by bouts of total physical collapse.
> Russian revolutionary Lenin died from the sex disease syphilis NOT a > stroke, claims historian
> Daily Mail
(T Guy):
Oh, yes, that reliable source.
(Strumpet):
^ | October 23, 2009 | Daily Mail Reporter
> Posted on 23 October 2009 18:08:59 by bogusname
(T Guy):
Good of someone to be so honest about it.
(Strumpet):
> Many other famous names in the past who had contracted syphilis- > including Nietzsche, Maupassant, Goethe and Donizetti - also > experienced periods of extreme manic behaviour and productivity > followed by bouts of total physical collapse.
(T Guy):
Any particular reason those four people were selected?
Has someone a scorecard as to whether they were theists or atheists?
>> Russian revolutionary Lenin died from the sex disease syphilis NOT a >> stroke, claims historian
>> Many other famous names in the past who had contracted syphilis- >> including Nietzsche, Maupassant, Goethe and Donizetti - also >> experienced periods of extreme manic behaviour and productivity >> followed by bouts of total physical collapse.
> Has someone a scorecard as to whether they were theists or atheists?
> >> Russian revolutionary Lenin died from the sex disease syphilis NOT a > >> stroke, claims historian
> >> Many other famous names in the past who had contracted syphilis- > >> including Nietzsche, Maupassant, Goethe and Donizetti - also > >> experienced periods of extreme manic behaviour and productivity > >> followed by bouts of total physical collapse.
> > Has someone a scorecard as to whether they were theists or atheists?
> Lenin - Atheist
> Nietzsche - Athiest
> Maupassant - Anti- Theist
> Goethe - non-Christian, Hypsistarian(pagan)
And Failednuts- Hysterically anti-atheist, liar, psychopath.
> Russian revolutionary Lenin died from the sex disease syphilis NOT a > stroke, claims historian
> Daily Mail ^ | October 23, 2009 | Daily Mail Reporter
> Posted on 23 October 2009 18:08:59 by bogusname
> Historians have long agreed that Russian revolutionary Vladimir Ilyich > Lenin suffered a series of three strokes that eventually led to his > death.
> But new evidence has been uncovered that appears to show Lenin > actually succumbed to the sexually transmitted disease, syphilis.
> The Soviets made huge attempts to cover up the real reasons for > Lenin's erratic behaviour and sudden bouts of rage in the years > leading up to his death in 1924.
> But now British author Helen Rappaport believes she has found evidence > that proves Lenin suffered from endartitis luetica - neurosyphilis - a > form of the disease that affects the brain.
> In papers held at Columbia University in New York, she has found a > reference to the true nature of Lenin's disease made by the eminent > Russian scientist Ivan Pavlov.
> The Nobel winner - famous for his conditioning work with dogs - once > stated that the 'revolution was made by a madman with syphilis of the > brain,' she has discovered.
> Rappaport, who has written a number of books on Russian history, > believes that it is likely that he caught the disease from a > prostitute in Paris in about 1902.
> The Soviets put Lenin's erratic behaviour down to arteriosclerosis - a > disease affecting the brain that syphilis mimics in many of its > characteristics.
> From the end of 1921 he suffered a series of catastrophic physical > attacks leading to progressive paralysis.
> Rappaport states it left him, by the time of his death, a 'confused > and helpless cripple, deprived of the power of speech and with an > insane, fixed stare.'
> Rappaport has made the discovery following the publication of her book > 'Conspirator: Lenin in Exile' as she was determined to substantiate > her claim.
> She said: 'It was the unspoken belief of many top Kremlin doctors and > scientists that Lenin died of syphilis, but a decades-long conspiracy > of silence was forced on them by the authorities. > Enlarge Vladimir Lenin
> Vladimir Lenin addresses soldiers of the new Soviet Army in Red Square > in Moscow on May 25, 1919 > Enlarge
> The body of the Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin lies in the Mausoleum > on Red Square in Moscow
> 'But through it all, none was more vocal in his assertion of this fact > than the great Professor Ivan Pavlov, pioneer of the Pavlov's Dog > theory.
> 'After the revolution in 1917 Pavlov became violently opposed to > Bolshevism and what he saw as the monstrous 'Soviet Experiment' under > which human beings were treated worse than experimental frogs in a > lab.
> 'Nevertheless, realising Pavlov's genius and usefulness to the state, > Lenin had assiduously courted him.'
> Rappaport said that Pavlov was allowed to make such controversial > statement on Lenin's condition because the Russian leader had granted > him immunity because he relaised how useful he was to the state.
> On his way to a congress in London, Pavlov had stopped to visit an old > friend in Paris, Dr Mikhail Zernov.
> 'During conversation, Pavlov maintained to Zernov that Lenin had > suffered from syphilis and that during his time as Soviet leader he > had manifested all the classic signs of someone sick with progressive > paralysis brought on by the disease,' says Rappaport.
> 'Pavlov knew the eminent scientists who had been called in to examine > Lenin's brain after his death in 1924 and they all concurred in this > diagnosis.
> 'It was an open secret among them, but of course none stated it > publicly and there are no official Soviet records documenting it.
> 'The Kremlin doctors who examined Lenin were all forbidden to talk > about it - under pain of death - and forced to sanitize the official > record.'
> Many other famous names in the past who had contracted syphilis- > including Nietzsche, Maupassant, Goethe and Donizetti - also > experienced periods of extreme manic behaviour and productivity > followed by bouts of total physical collapse.
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> > Russian revolutionary Lenin died from the sex disease syphilis NOT a > > stroke, claims historian
> > Daily Mail ^ | October 23, 2009 | Daily Mail Reporter
> > Posted on 23 October 2009 18:08:59 by bogusname
> > Historians have long agreed that Russian revolutionary Vladimir Ilyich > > Lenin suffered a series of three strokes that eventually led to his > > death.
> > But new evidence has been uncovered that appears to show Lenin > > actually succumbed to the sexually transmitted disease, syphilis.
> > The Soviets made huge attempts to cover up the real reasons for > > Lenin's erratic behaviour and sudden bouts of rage in the years > > leading up to his death in 1924.
> > But now British author Helen Rappaport believes she has found evidence > > that proves Lenin suffered from endartitis luetica - neurosyphilis - a > > form of the disease that affects the brain.
> > In papers held at Columbia University in New York, she has found a > > reference to the true nature of Lenin's disease made by the eminent > > Russian scientist Ivan Pavlov.
> > The Nobel winner - famous for his conditioning work with dogs - once > > stated that the 'revolution was made by a madman with syphilis of the > > brain,' she has discovered.
> > Rappaport, who has written a number of books on Russian history, > > believes that it is likely that he caught the disease from a > > prostitute in Paris in about 1902.
> > The Soviets put Lenin's erratic behaviour down to arteriosclerosis - a > > disease affecting the brain that syphilis mimics in many of its > > characteristics.
> > From the end of 1921 he suffered a series of catastrophic physical > > attacks leading to progressive paralysis.
> > Rappaport states it left him, by the time of his death, a 'confused > > and helpless cripple, deprived of the power of speech and with an > > insane, fixed stare.'
> > Rappaport has made the discovery following the publication of her book > > 'Conspirator: Lenin in Exile' as she was determined to substantiate > > her claim.
> > She said: 'It was the unspoken belief of many top Kremlin doctors and > > scientists that Lenin died of syphilis, but a decades-long conspiracy > > of silence was forced on them by the authorities. > > Enlarge Vladimir Lenin
> > Vladimir Lenin addresses soldiers of the new Soviet Army in Red Square > > in Moscow on May 25, 1919 > > Enlarge
> > The body of the Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin lies in the Mausoleum > > on Red Square in Moscow
> > 'But through it all, none was more vocal in his assertion of this fact > > than the great Professor Ivan Pavlov, pioneer of the Pavlov's Dog > > theory.
> > 'After the revolution in 1917 Pavlov became violently opposed to > > Bolshevism and what he saw as the monstrous 'Soviet Experiment' under > > which human beings were treated worse than experimental frogs in a > > lab.
> > 'Nevertheless, realising Pavlov's genius and usefulness to the state, > > Lenin had assiduously courted him.'
> > Rappaport said that Pavlov was allowed to make such controversial > > statement on Lenin's condition because the Russian leader had granted > > him immunity because he relaised how useful he was to the state.
> > On his way to a congress in London, Pavlov had stopped to visit an old > > friend in Paris, Dr Mikhail Zernov.
> > 'During conversation, Pavlov maintained to Zernov that Lenin had > > suffered from syphilis and that during his time as Soviet leader he > > had manifested all the classic signs of someone sick with progressive > > paralysis brought on by the disease,' says Rappaport.
> > 'Pavlov knew the eminent scientists who had been called in to examine > > Lenin's brain after his death in 1924 and they all concurred in this > > diagnosis.
> > 'It was an open secret among them, but of course none stated it > > publicly and there are no official Soviet records documenting it.
> > 'The Kremlin doctors who examined Lenin were all forbidden to talk > > about it - under pain of death - and forced to sanitize the official > > record.'
> > Many other famous names in the past who had contracted syphilis- > > including Nietzsche, Maupassant, Goethe and Donizetti - also > > experienced periods of extreme manic behaviour and productivity > > followed by bouts of total physical collapse.
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On Nov 7, 5:17 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> And anyone should care why?
Since Lenin actually was an evil mass murderer, whatever one feels about Sound of Trumpet's _other_ posts, anything to help eliminate the fascination with him some ignorant people still have, anything to help people realize that Lenin was evil in the same sense that Hitler was evil, is good to hear about.
In article <f9e3e0c0-93db-48d6-a4b3- b8c81e24a...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Quadibloc (jsav...@ecn.ab.ca) says...
> On Nov 7, 5:17 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> > And anyone should care why?
> Since Lenin actually was an evil mass murderer, whatever one feels > about Sound of Trumpet's _other_ posts, anything to help eliminate the > fascination with him some ignorant people still have, anything to help > people realize that Lenin was evil in the same sense that Hitler was > evil, is good to hear about.
> Russian revolutionary Lenin died from the sex disease syphilis NOT a > stroke, claims historian
> Daily Mail ^ | October 23, 2009 | Daily Mail Reporter
> Posted on 23 October 2009 18:08:59 by bogusname
> Historians have long agreed that Russian revolutionary Vladimir Ilyich > Lenin suffered a series of three strokes that eventually led to his > death.
> But new evidence has been uncovered that appears to show Lenin > actually succumbed to the sexually transmitted disease, syphilis.
Hardly news. There was an article in European Journal of Neurology in 2004. And it was not news even then. That was a longstanding rumour.
<...>
> Rappaport, who has written a number of books on Russian history, > believes that it is likely that he caught the disease from a > prostitute in Paris in about 1902.
According to http://en.allexperts.com/e/v/vl/vladimir_lenin.htm, "Documents released after the fall of the U.S.S.R., along with memoirs of Lenin's physicians, suggest that Lenin was treated for syphilis as early as 1895."
<...>
> On his way to a congress in London, Pavlov had stopped to visit an old > friend in Paris, Dr Mikhail Zernov.
> 'During conversation, Pavlov maintained to Zernov that Lenin had > suffered from syphilis and that during his time as Soviet leader he > had manifested all the classic signs of someone sick with progressive > paralysis brought on by the disease,' says Rappaport.
> 'Pavlov knew the eminent scientists who had been called in to examine > Lenin's brain after his death in 1924 and they all concurred in this > diagnosis.
And how does she know about the conversation? This looks like it has been made up.
On Nov 7, 7:10 pm, Juho Julkunen <giaot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <f9e3e0c0-93db-48d6-a4b3- > b8c81e24a...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Quadibloc > (jsav...@ecn.ab.ca) says...
> > On Nov 7, 5:17 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > And anyone should care why?
> > Since Lenin actually was an evil mass murderer, whatever one feels > > about Sound of Trumpet's _other_ posts, anything to help eliminate the > > fascination with him some ignorant people still have, anything to help > > people realize that Lenin was evil in the same sense that Hitler was > > evil, is good to hear about.
> Having syphilis makes you evil?
In the matter of causation, sometimes extreme chronic pain can cause a person to be cruel to others. This is true of animals as well. The later states of syphilis are very unpleasant and are known to make a person commit evil acts though not always.
On Nov 7, 8:10 pm, Juho Julkunen <giaot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Having syphilis makes you evil?
No. Being a mass murderer makes you evil. Having syphilis is simply a consequence of disreputable behavior, which would reduce a person's social esteem, and damage one's reputation. Thus, this is a helpful news item because it helps to counteract the tendency in some quarters to romanticize the evil mass murderer Lenin.
Also, of course, if untreated, syphilis can lead to insanity.
In article <0a876991-dc00-46c1-99a8-55dd1af74...@15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com> violated somebody else's copyright:
> Historians have long agreed that Russian revolutionary Vladimir > Ilyich Lenin suffered a series of three strokes that eventually > led to his death.
> But new evidence has been uncovered that appears to show Lenin > actually succumbed to the sexually transmitted disease, syphilis.
On Nov 7, 9:38 pm, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 5:17 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> > And anyone should care why?
> Since Lenin actually was an evil mass murderer, whatever one feels > about Sound of Trumpet's _other_ posts, anything to help eliminate the > fascination with him some ignorant people still have, anything to help > people realize that Lenin was evil in the same sense that Hitler was > evil, is good to hear about.
> John Savard
It would be, if he and Failednuts would just stop trying to lump all atheists into the 'communist' category.
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:38:38 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Nov 7, 5:17 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> And anyone should care why?
>Since Lenin actually was an evil mass murderer, whatever one feels >about Sound of Trumpet's _other_ posts, anything to help eliminate the >fascination with him some ignorant people still have, anything to help >people realize that Lenin was evil in the same sense that Hitler was >evil, is good to hear about.
What on Earth does this have to do with him having syphilis?
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