What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The Children's Hour"?
"Maybe. Or maybe-- Lieutenant, do you ever read Cabell? In one of his books somewhere I think he has a character refer to a sort of super- race that impinges on ours with only one . . . one facet. He uses the analogy of geometry, and suggests that the other race might be represented by cubes that show up as squares on the plane geometric surface of our world, though in their own they have a cubic mass we would never guess."
On Oct 31, 3:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The > Children's Hour"?
> "Maybe. Or maybe-- Lieutenant, do you ever read Cabell? In one of his > books somewhere I think he has a character refer to a sort of super- > race that impinges on ours with only one . . . one facet. He uses the > analogy of geometry, and suggests that the other race might be > represented by cubes that show up as squares on the plane geometric > surface of our world, though in their own they have a cubic mass we > would never guess."
On Oct 31, 11:40 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The > > Children's Hour"?
> I'm not sure, but it may be a work by Cabell in which a character > refers to Flatland, by Edwin Arnold.
> John Savard
I think it's more likely to be from The Silver Stallion -- possibly Donander's novella.I've read almost all the Biography of the Life of Manuel and a dozen or so of the subsequent books, and that does ring bells -- it was probably from Flatland originally
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:27:18 -0700, Bill Patterson wrote: > On Oct 31, 11:40 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The >>> Children's Hour"?
>> I'm not sure, but it may be a work by Cabell in which a character >> refers to Flatland, by Edwin Arnold.
> I think it's more likely to be from The Silver Stallion -- possibly > Donander's novella.I've read almost all the Biography of the Life of > Manuel and a dozen or so of the subsequent books, and that does ring > bells -- it was probably from Flatland originally
It's definitely _not_ from Donander's book, Book Nine, "Above Paradise", of _The Silver Stallion_-- I just checked-- and doesn't ring any bells with _me_, and I'm fairly familiar with _Figures of Earth_, _The Silver Stallion_, _Jurgen_, _The High Place_ and _Something About Eve_-- all I've ever had of "The Biography of the Life of Manuel".
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The malignity and malevolence of this monstrous literary sacrilege cannot be pardoned. Its banality is no excuse for its brutality. Its stupidity is no extenuation for its blasphemy.
< An "uncommonly well-thought-of English critic" on _The Silver Stallion_
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:27:18 -0700, Bill Patterson wrote: > > On Oct 31, 11:40 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The > >>> Children's Hour"?
> >> I'm not sure, but it may be a work by Cabell in which a character > >> refers to Flatland, by Edwin Arnold.
> > I think it's more likely to be from The Silver Stallion -- possibly > > Donander's novella.I've read almost all the Biography of the Life of > > Manuel and a dozen or so of the subsequent books, and that does ring > > bells -- it was probably from Flatland originally
> It's definitely _not_ from Donander's book, Book Nine, "Above Paradise", > of _The Silver Stallion_-- I just checked-- and doesn't ring any bells > with _me_, and I'm fairly familiar with _Figures of Earth_, _The Silver > Stallion_, _Jurgen_, _The High Place_ and _Something About Eve_-- all I've > ever had of "The Biography of the Life of Manuel".
> --
> The malignity and malevolence of this monstrous literary sacrilege > cannot be pardoned. Its banality is no excuse for its brutality. > Its stupidity is no extenuation for its blasphemy.
> < An "uncommonly well-thought-of English critic" on _The Silver Stallion_
Some guy named Fadiman had an anthology of math stories called Fantasia Mathematica, according to another listing of math stories on a webpage I've just found. It claims that there is a story called "Jurgen Proves It by Mathematics", and claims that it's steamy.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:47:27 -0800, Maureen wrote: > On Nov 1, 12:41 am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:27:18 -0700, Bill Patterson wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 11:40 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The >>>>> Children's Hour"?
>>>> I'm not sure, but it may be a work by Cabell in which a character >>>> refers to Flatland, by Edwin Arnold.
>>> I think it's more likely to be from The Silver Stallion -- possibly >>> Donander's novella.I've read almost all the Biography of the Life of >>> Manuel and a dozen or so of the subsequent books, and that does ring >>> bells -- it was probably from Flatland originally
>> It's definitely _not_ from Donander's book, Book Nine, "Above Paradise", >> of _The Silver Stallion_-- I just checked-- and doesn't ring any bells >> with _me_, and I'm fairly familiar with _Figures of Earth_, _The Silver >> Stallion_, _Jurgen_, _The High Place_ and _Something About Eve_-- all I've >> ever had of "The Biography of the Life of Manuel".
Also _The Cream of the Jest_.
> Some guy named Fadiman had an anthology of math stories called > Fantasia Mathematica, according to another listing of math stories on > a webpage I've just found. It claims that there is a story called > "Jurgen Proves It by Mathematics", and claims that it's steamy.
> Shrug. I don't know if it's part of the novel Jurgen or not. I like > Cabell in small doses, but I can never remember the plotlines.
An episode in the chapter "Sundry Devices of the Philistines", in which Jurgen proves to Queen Dolores of Philistia that he can prove anything whatsoever by mathematics . . . .
It's modestly steamy, yes.
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"Oh, oh!" said the Queen, "now I perceive what you mean by a concrete example."
On 2009-11-04 19:47:27 -0800, Maureen <suburbanbans...@gmail.com> said:
> Some guy named Fadiman had an anthology of math stories called > Fantasia Mathematica, according to another listing of math stories on > a webpage I've just found.
That's Clifton Fadiman, longtime editor for Simon & Schuster, the New Yorker and others, plus hosting quiz shows on radio & TV.
His daughter, Anne Fadiman, writes delightful essays about books and reading.
Kurt Busiek wrote: > On 2009-11-04 19:47:27 -0800, Maureen <suburbanbans...@gmail.com> > said: >> Some guy named Fadiman had an anthology of math stories called >> Fantasia Mathematica, according to another listing of math stories >> on >> a webpage I've just found.
> That's Clifton Fadiman, longtime editor for Simon & Schuster, the > New > Yorker and others, plus hosting quiz shows on radio & TV.
And making short films for the education market. At least, I remember the one about Huck Finn, and it seemed to be part of a series.
> On Nov 1, 12:41 am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:27:18 -0700, Bill Patterson wrote: > > > On Oct 31, 11:40 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > >> On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The > > >>> Children's Hour"?
> > >> I'm not sure, but it may be a work by Cabell in which a character > > >> refers to Flatland, by Edwin Arnold.
> > > I think it's more likely to be from The Silver Stallion -- possibly > > > Donander's novella.I've read almost all the Biography of the Life of > > > Manuel and a dozen or so of the subsequent books, and that does ring > > > bells -- it was probably from Flatland originally
> > It's definitely _not_ from Donander's book, Book Nine, "Above Paradise", > > of _The Silver Stallion_-- I just checked-- and doesn't ring any bells > > with _me_, and I'm fairly familiar with _Figures of Earth_, _The Silver > > Stallion_, _Jurgen_, _The High Place_ and _Something About Eve_-- all I've > > ever had of "The Biography of the Life of Manuel".
> > --
> > The malignity and malevolence of this monstrous literary sacrilege > > cannot be pardoned. Its banality is no excuse for its brutality. > > Its stupidity is no extenuation for its blasphemy.
> > < An "uncommonly well-thought-of English critic" on _The Silver Stallion_
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:27:18 -0700, Bill Patterson wrote: > > On Oct 31, 11:40 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from "The > >>> Children's Hour"?
> >> I'm not sure, but it may be a work by Cabell in which a character > >> refers to Flatland, by Edwin Arnold.
> > I think it's more likely to be from The Silver Stallion -- possibly > > Donander's novella.I've read almost all the Biography of the Life of > > Manuel and a dozen or so of the subsequent books, and that does ring > > bells -- it was probably from Flatland originally
> It's definitely _not_ from Donander's book, Book Nine, "Above Paradise", > of _The Silver Stallion_-- I just checked-- and doesn't ring any bells > with _me_, and I'm fairly familiar with _Figures of Earth_, _The Silver > Stallion_, _Jurgen_, _The High Place_ and _Something About Eve_-- all I've > ever had of "The Biography of the Life of Manuel".
> --
> The malignity and malevolence of this monstrous literary sacrilege > cannot be pardoned. Its banality is no excuse for its brutality. > Its stupidity is no extenuation for its blasphemy.
> < An "uncommonly well-thought-of English critic" on _The Silver Stallion_
Thanks for checking. Now that's got me curious. There's a lot of neoplatonic hermeticism in the Biography (I once argued that the Biography may have come into existence because Cabell became an initiate of some hermetic group around 1915), so he might have been arguing something like Plotinus' succession of higher and lower spheres of existence. The name of the red-headed avatar that appears in several of the books from Cream of the Jest onward escapes me.at the moment (hey, it's early morning for me). The Kuttner quote may be referencing something said of him. In which case, it might be just a throw-off side remark and very difficult to find (without re-reading everything, which I'm not prepared to do right now).
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:21:28 -0800, Bill Patterson wrote: > On Oct 31, 9:41 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:27:18 -0700, Bill Patterson wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 11:40 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What work by Cabell is Kuttner referring to in this passage from >>>>> "The Children's Hour"?
>>>> I'm not sure, but it may be a work by Cabell in which a character >>>> refers to Flatland, by Edwin Arnold.
>>> I think it's more likely to be from The Silver Stallion -- possibly >>> Donander's novella.I've read almost all the Biography of the Life of >>> Manuel and a dozen or so of the subsequent books, and that does ring >>> bells -- it was probably from Flatland originally
>> It's definitely _not_ from Donander's book, Book Nine, "Above >> Paradise", of _The Silver Stallion_-- I just checked-- and doesn't ring >> any bells with _me_, and I'm fairly familiar with _Figures of Earth_, >> _The Silver Stallion_, _Jurgen_, _The High Place_ and _Something About >> Eve_-- all I've ever had of "The Biography of the Life of Manuel".
> Thanks for checking. Now that's got me curious. There's a lot of > neoplatonic hermeticism in the Biography
There's a lot of _everything_ in the Biography (he's especially fond of Northern European and Russian mythology/folktales).
> (I once argued that the Biography may have come into existence because > Cabell became an initiate of some hermetic group around 1915), so he > might have been arguing something like Plotinus' succession of higher > and lower spheres of existence. The name of the red-headed avatar that > appears in several of the books from Cream of the Jest onward escapes > me.at the moment (hey, it's early morning for me).
"Horvendile", anagram for "Hinder-love" and no doubt more.
> The Kuttner quote may be > referencing something said of him. In which case, it might be just a > throw-off side remark and very difficult to find (without re-reading > everything, which I'm not prepared to do right now).
Well, the later "Biography" has quite a bit of scattershot stuff in it, so it wouldn't be at all surprising to find, possibly not even in one-a the fictional pieces but one-a the essays, some reference to multidimensionality.
See also .sig-quote for distantly possible relevance.
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So goes this criss-cross multitudinous moving as far as thought can reach: and beyond that the moving goes. All moves. All moves uncomprehendingly, and to the sound of laughter. For all moves in consonance with a higher power that understands the meaning of the movement. And each moves the pieces before him in consonance with his ability. So the game is endless and ruthless: and there is merriment overhead, but it is very far away.
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