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Gregory Morrow  
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From: "Gregory Morrow" <FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:19:52 -0500
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Subject: Supersize ... moi? How the French learnt to love McDonald's
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From The TimesAugust 19, 2008

Supersize ... moi? How the French learnt to love McDonald's

McDonald's makes more money in France than it does in Britain, and Paris has
as many golden arches as London - but no self-respecting French diner will
admit to eating there

By Hugo Rifkind

"Magali, the photographer, is appalled. We are in McDonald's, just around
the corner from the Louvre in the 1st arrondissement of Paris, and we are
tucking into some breakfast. With a beer. Because we can.

"But what ees thees?" she demands.

Croque monsieur. Well, technically a Croque McDo. Jambon and a spot of
fromage. It's rather good.

"No," says Magali. "It is not. A croque is something ... beautiful. But
thees is ... my god."

Correction. Magali is not appalled. This is something deeper than appalled.
This is existential.

Magali doesn't eat in McDonald's. In fact, she says, she doesn't know
anybody who eats in McDonald's. Stop any Frenchman on the street - and we
stop plenty - and he will shrug and snarl and say that he doesn't eat in
McDonald's, either.

Yet an awful lot of people do eat in McDonald's. In this city of all things
haute cuisine and gastronomique, you will find almost 70 restaurants under
golden arches, with even more dotted around the outer suburbs. That's much
the same as London, but with only a third of the people.

McDonald's, or "macdoh" as it is ubiquitously known, is France's dirty
secret. In 2007, as you may have read on our business pages, the chain's
French revenues increased by 11 per cent to ?3 billion (£2.3 billion).
That's more than it generates in Britain. In terms of profit, France is
second only to the US itself - and this in the land that first realised that
food wasn't just about eating. How on earth did this come about?

Asking the customers can take you only so far. At the next table a family
are eating together. "We're only in here because we're in a rush," says the
father, much like a husband explaining a mistress to his incredulous wife.
"It's not normal. We would never eat in McDonald's usually." He says that he
is from Montreal, anyway, and that we may refer to him only as Mr X. The
rest of the family stay silent, and munch, and blush.

This year, for the first time, McDonald's looks likely to make the bulk of
its earnings from outside the US. This has much to do with the French, and
not just with their eating. McDonald's in Europe has changed. Three years
ago, Denis Hennequin - president of the chain in Europe and a Frenchman -
embarked on a makeover of the Continent's outlets. Just outside Paris there
is now the McDonald's European design studio, which has created a variety of
theoretically upmarket restaurant templates.

"We have eight concepts at the moment," says Stephen Douglas, implementation
director in the European design studio, "but none are France-specific." They
are Quality, Eternity, Generation, Lim, and Pure and Simple, with three
variations thrown in to make up the eight. Some are intended to give a
business vibe, some are targeted at families. Eternity is the most
impressive and design-heavy. "It provides a fast-food environment that is
significantly different," says Douglas, "inspired by an American
architectural heritage." In other words, your average McDonald's no longer
looks like a crèche in a lunatic asylum on a cross- Channel ferry.

But it's not exactly a chic French bistro, either. And the food remains much
the same, in France or anywhere. There are different regional flourishes, to
be sure. You can drink your beer in France, although nobody except me seems
to bother. You can have your (photographer-derided) croque. Also, as you may
remember from Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction, what you call a cheeseburger
is known in these parts as a Royal Cheese, and your cheese is the Alpine
delicacy reblochon.

All of which might seem terribly exciting if you lived in, say, Stornoway.
But Paris? Part of the chain's success may be down to the way that France
has changed, and continues to change. In the British stereotype, the
Frenchman - banker or binman - takes a long lunch. He goes to the flawless
restaurant around the corner, sits down at his usual white-and-red-checked
table, undoes his top button and tucks in. He starts with a baguette, he
orders a bottle of red wine. Two, maybe three hours later he finishes his
cheese, emits a discreet belch and settles the bill, which comes to about
?3. Then he gets back to work.

This is no longer true. Or at least, it is no longer entirely true. As the
French have begun to adopt Anglo-American working practices, they have also
begun to adopt Anglo-American eating practices. One oft-quoted statistic is
that the length of the average French meal has fallen from 1 hour 22 minutes
in 1978 to a mere 38 minutes today.

To find out how they fill that 38 minutes we head to the 9th arrondissement,
an area full of offices and office workers, evidently requiring a
considerable number of lunches each day. The streets here are relatively
narrow and the buildings relatively high, but flat-fronted and
wood-shuttered in that very Parisian way. At street level, everything is
food: Pizza Venezia, Café la Roseraie, quite a few McDonald's, too. We pass
one with a super-fast takeaway hatch, like a walk-thru drive-thru. It is
next door to a gym.

Aside from the many McDonald's, we are told, the big change around here is
that an awful lot of these little cafés don't have much room to sit. You are
not expected to sit. You are expected to grab your food and go away. Like an
American. Or, worse, like a Brit.

Typical of these new places is the shorthand-unfriendly
CinQfrUitSetLeGumEScHaQueJoUr. That is to say, "five fruits and five
vegetables each day" but with the words all run together and capitals
applied with wild Gallic abandon. Fast food or not, the vibe here is all
about health.

"Our typical clientele is businessmen. A lot of creative types," says Robert
Renaud, 47, who is the co-owner and knows everybody who so much as wanders
past the window. "The women love it: they are much more up for trying
something new. The men just want ham and cheese baguettes."

Robert agrees that Parisian life has changed. People have a quick lunch so
that they can leave earlier and have a longer dinner. It's not that they are
no longer interested in savouring mealtimes, he says, just that they are
favouring one over the other. "Most people are between the ages of 30 and
35," he adds. "The old people don't like the idea of takeaway so much."

Philippe, 35, is one of his last customers and has grabbed something
involving salad and goat's cheese. He agrees that people no longer have the
time for a long lunch, but takes a more complex view on senior resistance.

"The French do not disapprove of fast food as a meal," he insists. "What is
wrong is to eat between meals. It is the mealtime that is sacred, not the
type of food. When your Lord Sandwich invented the sandwich, he did so to
eat without stopping. This is not French."

True enough, even when the French visit McDonald's, they do so differently.
They are more likely to visit as a family event, much like our "Canadian"
family above. A French McDonald's is busy on a weekday lunchtime but busier
still at the weekend. Here, in the birthplace of the Michelin guide,
McDonald's is considered a treat. It's enough to make you weep.

Healthy fast food is something new. Unsurprisingly, panting hard on the
heels of a convenience food culture comes the chubby spectre of obesity.
French obesity rates have rocketed in recent years. According to estimates,
11 per cent of the French are obese and 40 per cent are overweight. This is
better than the UK or the US, but it grows by about 5 per cent every year.
One thinks of those previously untouched indigenous tribes that manage to
wipe themselves out in a generation after being introduced to booze. The
French are failing to eat in moderation. For a culture that prides itself on
its waistline, this is a difficult failing to accept. Only a few years ago,
remember, there was a bestselling diet book called French Women Don't Get
Fat. But they do.

Not before time, the French seem to be wising up. In recent years, at least
in Paris, there has been a boom in fast-food eateries of the sort described
above. The pioneer in this respect is a newish chain called Cojean. It was
set up in 2001 by Alain Cojean, who had spent the previous 15 years working
in research and development for - yes - McDonald's. Cojean is a very
different beast.

We visit the branch across the road from the Louvre. Cool and airy, it is
tastefully converted from an elaborately corniced patisserie. It sells fresh
salads, proper coffee and sandwiches that are resolutely not triangular. We
pick a ham and melon salad with noodles and rocket. The melon tastes as if
it has just fallen from a tree, and the ham just scraped from a happy pig.
There is a surprise bit of jagged plastic lurking in the middle, true
enough, but we are not in McDonald's so we have no urge to sue. It just adds
to the sense of handmade authenticity.

At the next table we find Johan, Gilles and Caroline, all groomed, trendy
and in their twenties. Johan works in an office near by. The other two are
students. They eat, they debate. It is all very French.

"It's not too embarrassing to go to McDonald's. Although I wouldn't go
often."

"Not more than three or four times a month."

"No. And I don't think of the burger as being part of an invasion of
American culture, or anything like that. Burgers generally are much better
quality than they used to be. There is a tendency to eat better. More
healthily."

"This stuff is much better than McDonald's. It's really good. I'm not
ashamed to be here at all."

If only Cojean would cross the Channel. Everything looks wonderful, and at ...

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From: "Runge12" <phi...@bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:51:14 +0200
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Subject: greg morrow just had to crosspost his stuff
A better place is a place without morrow the moron.

"Gregory Morrow" <FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> a écrit dans
le message de news:tcqdnYfV9NOG4DbVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@earthlink.com...

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From: Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
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Runge12 wrote:
> A better place is a place without morrow the moron.

> "Gregory Morrow" <FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> a écrit
> dans le message de news:tcqdnYfV9NOG4DbVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> [WARNING!: x - posted to
>> rec.food.cooking,uk.food+drink.misc,alt.food.fast-food,rec.travel.europe... ]

>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/articl...

Well, I for one enjoyed the article enormously. You must have also since
you reposted it in entirety.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:51:14 +0200, "Runge12" <phi...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>A better place is a place without morrow the moron.

Better yet....what compels you to REPOST the entire 500 lines of
drivel?  

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:35:17 -0400
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Subject: Re: Supersize ... moi? How the French learnt to love McDonald's
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:19:52 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"

<FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> wrote:

>Supersize ... moi? How the French learnt to love McDonald's

I sho am glad I dun learnt about dat.  

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:58:51 -0400, Goomba wrote:
> Runge12 wrote:
>> A better place is a place without morrow the moron.

>> "Gregory Morrow" <FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> a écrit
>> dans le message de news:tcqdnYfV9NOG4DbVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> [WARNING!: x - posted to
>>> rec.food.cooking,uk.food+drink.misc,alt.food.fast-food,rec.travel.europe... ]

>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/articl...

> Well, I for one enjoyed the article enormously. You must have also since
> you reposted it in entirety.

the french gave the u.s. the war in vietnam, we gave them mcdonald's.
seems fair.

your pal,
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:00:33 +0100
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Subject: Re: Supersize ... moi? How the French learnt to love McDonald's
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:19:52 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"

<FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> wrote:
>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/articl...

>From The TimesAugust 19, 2008

>Supersize ... moi? How the French learnt to love McDonald's

>McDonald's makes more money in France than it does in Britain, and Paris has
>as many golden arches as London - but no self-respecting French diner will
>admit to eating there

It's strange that some people won't admit to eating there (people on
these groups too!) even though they secretly do.

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Subject: Re: Supersize ... moi? How the French learnt to love McDonald's
Corey Richardson said...

I remember in Amsterdam at McDs you could get a hamburger first thing in
the morning. They didn't have "breakfast hours."

I'd go to Wendy's before McDonalds. Even though they're both chock full o'
fat and sodium and other garbage, at least Wendy's puts tomato on their
burgers. McD has to sprinkle flavor seasoning on their burgers to taste
like anything remotely resembling meat.

McD in SA, Australia burgers tasted different, maybe kangaroo, which is
great stuff (grey kangaroo NOT red), BTW.

Now if there was a White Castle near me, we'd have a problem!!! ;)

Andy


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Corey Richardson wrote:
> It's strange that some people won't admit to eating there (people on
> these groups too!) even though they secretly do.

How do you "secretly" eat fast food?  Pay somebody to go buy it
for you, then kill them after they return?

-sw


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