HOWEDY Ashley Ross,

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Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard, Director Of
Trainin an Research <{}'; ~ ) >

I've got forty five years of EXXXPERIENCE raising
and training mostly giant breed working dogs for families
and security specializing in temperament and behavior
problems and protection <{}: ~ ) >

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And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
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The actual INSTRUCTION begins on the third page "*777*
Wits' End Method", abHOWET 1/4 down the page starting
with "Here's ALL the INFORMATION you NEED" and my
phone # and instructions to CALL ANY TIME.

There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}': ~ ) >

You'll likeWIZE find ETHICAL nutrition and heelth
care practices taught on the heelth page *(last link
on the left side) of my website.

INDEEDY~!

RIGHT~!

That usually begins with a trip to the veterinary malpracticioner
for a physical EXXXAM and a few *(PROBABLY) unnecessary inapupriate
vaccinations, a heelthy dose of TOXIC anti parasite
 treatments, a botle of aversive spray a nice crate in which to prepare
your puppy a little DEN of his OWN knowin HOWE much puppys
LOVE to sleep in the safety of their little den with NO food water
or toilet area and another appointment for inapupriate unnecessary
life-long life and heelth threatening surgical sexual mutilation
UNLESS your veterinary malpracticioner is willin to give the require
toxic vaccinations AND perform the life threatening unnecessary
 inapupriate surgical sexual mutilations all in the same day.

Oh, an don't forget to leave with a bag of prescription dog food~!

Yeah. That's the IMPOSSIBLE part, Ashley for THREE *(3) REASONS:

1. ALL behaviors are NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE RESPONSES to situations and circumstances of the
environment which WE create for the puppy / dog <{}: ~ ) >

2. WON CANNOT "DISCOURAGE INAPUPRIATE" behaviors withHOWET DISCOURAGING
TRUST and BONDING <{}: ~ ( >

AND

3. WON CANNOT "encourage apupriate behaviors" on accHOWENTA
the puppy / dog WILL HAVE NO IDEA what the heel you're doin on
accHOWENTA dogs DO NOT THINK like HOWE humans do <{}: ~ ( >

Yeah. MHOWETHING is BONDING behavior <{}: ~ ) >

AS IT SHOULD BE. Wouldn't you agree, Ashley??

That so? Then HOWE COME do they OBJECT to bein MHOWETHED?

I think the humans we have here are pretty thick skinned.
After all, they STILL KEEP POSTIN their LIES INSANITY
and ABUSE and ignore the FEAR PAIN INTIMIATION an
MURDER they inflict on innocent defenseless dumb critters,
to compensate for their own fragile defective ego's, weak fearful
minds and colossal inferiority complexes <{}: ~ ( >

You mean, even if a mentally deranged self-professed
PROFESSIONAL OBEDIENCE TRAINER jerks chokes
shocks an sprays aversives into their faces?

                        LIKE THIS:

        "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
        Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
        A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
        But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,  author:
        "CourteHOWES Canine."

       "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
       your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
       as possible. What  does this mean?

       When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
       spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
       away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
       ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
            --Mike Dufort
              author of the zero selling book
              "CourteHOWES Canines"

    "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
    choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
    stern correction" --Janet Boss
                         http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt

Or you could just SHOCK them.

                                LIKE  THIS:

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 He was next to me and I could see his neck
 muscles pulsing.  He didn't even blink an eye.
 Janet Boss

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An INSENSITIVE DOG???

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
 been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

janet CONtinues:

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.

                           -------------------

                           LIKE THIS:

 responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
 at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:

 "screaming, choking,
 shocking, pinching, beating
  the living crap out of your dogs"

  Scream?  no
  Choke? no
  Shock?  e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
  Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
  by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
  hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing

 Beat the living crap out of?  hardly - no hitting exists

 Janet.

                   ------------------

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.

Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,

Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;

even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.

if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"

                  --------------------

        "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
        Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
        With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
        discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
 Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.

On 26 Jun 2005 10:52:42 -0700, lucyaa...@claque.net, wrote:

 > What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
 > Lucy

 one reason I call them slip collars.  Their is a correction involved,
 and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
 OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
 warrant it.
 --
 Janet B
                      --------------------

From: "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com>
Date: 2 Dec 2005 10:55:41 -0800
Subject: Re: In defense of Jerry Howe's methods

You're 0 for 2, so far.
That's 2 in 2 as far as I'm concerned but hey, if you insist. I'm
really curious to see what will be the justification this time. So
far we have:

Limited choking? Hey, it's limited, As
Neo would say: Woah, there is no choke.

Dogs pumped full of prozac? Hey, they're trippin
man. Remember Woodstock. Euh.... Woodwhat?

E-Collar? I'm sure some of you will come up with: But my
dog look so pretty with an electrified perm. Swoooon.

So on with the fun.  Taken from the "Collars" thread,
started by Perry Templeton June 20 2005

Denis
                     ------------

And here's another one from the same author, taken from the same thread:

167. Janet B
  Jun 21, 12:03 pm   show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:11 +0100, "Alison"

Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators
at the end of  a leash?  I personally prefer prong collars.

                        ----------------

Let's go for the hat trick with the same author, taken from the same thread:

141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm

 I don't use choke chains.  Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex link
 on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty.    I know the "sound" thing
 and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
 may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group class.

 So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
 pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
 the  milder medium link).

But I use e-collars too.  With one of my dogs and with some clients.
 For circumstances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
 answer.  I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
 Janet B
                       ----------------

Here's janet's PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs to DESTROY her HOWES
an TURN ON HER:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

Of curse THAT'S a lie.

Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

That so?

We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

                                 See?

PROBLEMO, eh, Ashley?

Oh?  You mean kinda like EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of HOWE we INSTALL a behavior using
 Pavlovian CONditional REFLEX, NEARLY INSTANTLY
and FOR FREE, to boot?

You mean if the pup has been RAISED with the mom
and litter mates. Accordin to Scott & Fuller in "Genetics
And Social Behavior," the BEAST age to place a puppy
in it's new HOWES is 6 - 8 weeks of age, an age PRYOR
to actually "learning" "bite inhibition" from mom or litter
mates.

LUCKY THING it only takes a couple minutes to
EXXXTINGUISH inapupriate MHOWETHING~!

                      AIN'T IT <{}'; ~ ) >

INDEEDY~!

INDEEDY~! That's HOWE COME we don't want to
"teach" "bite inhibition" if we want a field, utility, service
or protection trained dog <{}: ~ ) >

OR ANY WELL ADJUSTED DOG, wouldn't you agree?

That's curiHOWES. My PROTECTION student's dogs are
 ready to LEARN BITE WORK at four months of age <{}: ~ ( >

                            <snip crap link>

tommy sorenson aka not so handsome, not so happy, not
 so gentle, not so manly, jackass, not even jack morrison
aka joey finnochiarrio aka howie lipshitz aka BIG DADDY
aka DOGMAN, a.k.a. PUSSYMAN, the pathetic stinkin
miserable rotten lyin anonymHOWES malignant maliciHOWES
dog child an spHOWES abusing punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable mental case and paranoid
 homophobe, misogynist, puppy miller and shock collar

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

 Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
 make her think twice about rushing past you again -
 - which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

 "My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
 And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
 to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
 I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.

 A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

 Okay.  Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
 if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
 When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
 have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
 really matters.  Saving lives and making dogs become
 good citizens

        At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
         dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
         *not* constitute a "beating."

              =====================

tommy *(who AIN'T tommy sorensen) sez:

"IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's
desire to bite  hands (especially if other methods
have failed, because you don't want this habit to
 become reinforced by too much success), etc., is
to take  advantage of the pup's gag reflex:

Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder
(while you're sitting  on the floor), coming up to
the pup's mouth from underneath it with  your
right hand (that way he can't see your finger or
your hand), and  stick your index finger into the
pup's mouth, at the very rear, then  down the
pup's throat, and gently place some downward
pressure on the  back of the tongue, until he starts
to gag. Use your left arm to hold  him close to you,
while you're doing this.

Trust me, it's easier to  demonstrate this technique
 than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.

 He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together.  Biting hands = gag.

 --
 Handsome Jack Morrison

                      -------------------

From: dog...@i1.net (Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab

Get this book:

"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete

If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).

You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.

And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman

               ------------------------

From: osi...@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700

Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:

I have a four year old male GSD.  He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.

The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that.  They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.

Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.

Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.

Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?

            ----------------------

From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.

You need to improve your acting skills.  Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.

Knock the shit out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!"  I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relationship based on mutual respect.

Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.

Charlie

                  -----------------------

Here's janet boss and her REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" paul and his RESCUE dog Muttley whom
she wanted to MURDER:

Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote

It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),

Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death

"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote

Hello everyone:

If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.

I will add a bit more history later in this post.

Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.

The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
 has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
 had the time to work with him much on that.

I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.

Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
 male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.

That was  the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.

 When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
 what should be done about Muttley.

She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.

She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.

"They can't all be saved".

<snip>

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Subject:       Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote

<snip>

If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.

Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.

                      --------------------------

          BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:

#2 - 6/05/07

It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.

Sure, if it is administered very consistently
 by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
 to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
 so what remains is negative.

Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
 how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
 it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
 a fear behavior.

Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
 a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.

Paul and Muttley

"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.

I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
 once or twice at home, and I also often used it
 instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.

I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.

Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
 he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."

Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote

It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),

                 -----------------------

     THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it <{}: ~ ( >

                        LIKE THIS:

Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07

news:janet-730AB8.17321511042007@news.individual.net...

It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.

What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face.  The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.

 I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
 so it's something we constantly work on.  We don't
 have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.

While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
 question as well, I'm curious what things people have
 found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.

We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

                  BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

                                      SEE?

                                 LIKE THIS:

      "BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
      wrote in message
      news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...

      Kyle,  FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
      and i often call my little dog the turd, because
      he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
      would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
      matter of personality.

      Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
      step on him once. Seriously.

"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."

news:uohnj3r4a4e85e@corp.supernews.com...
 Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
 girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.

From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

  Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
  it  clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
  misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
  of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

  I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
  is very persistant, it  can be appropriate to take
  hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
  give a slight shake to the *skin*".

  Janet's not talking about actually shaking
  the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
  abusive."

                    ----------------------

 "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
 Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
 Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
 Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

                         -----------------

             BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

  Re: Dog Training - Common House Training Problems
 In article 8vebt39mfcscgo3d138t0vshtth75uo...@4ax.com,

Jerry,
Your Wits' End Training Method Manual has been a huge hit
with me and my website visitors.  I don't know Howe you do
it but your methods are solid and they work.  The members of
www.molosserdogs.com love it.

All the best.

Re: Dog Training - Common House Training Problems

Congratulations!  You are a *******WINNER*******
You and your spam, combined with your responding to
the loon, have earned you a permanent place in my killfile!

 Isn't it great to win things on the internet?

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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From:           Janet B
Date:           Fri, Mar 3 2006 6:27 pm

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:13:32 GMT, Robin Nuttall
<robi...@mchsi.com>, clicked their heels and said:

I do believe you've hit the nail on the head, Robin.

Getting back to the subject line, I started using the e-collar with
Rudy today.  He's hit adolescence and is so engrossed in munching
sticks, flirting with the Dobe bitch behind us, etc, that his recall
has become a bit inadequate.  Now then, I can go out to him, call
him, and he's fine with that.

He comes, sits front, I food reward, and all is right with the world.

Only he really needs to come from the back of the yard with me at
the back door, 100'+ away.  I tapped him on ~12 (Dogtra 1200) and
 he perked up and recalled beautifully.

Did it again at a point where he was in the bushes and totally focused
on something.  He came happily, tail wagging, and got a food reward
as well.  Since then, he has just recalled, no tap given.

We'll be using it daily, especially at his most challenging times
of day (the post-dinner Dobe shmoozing).  I'll be teaching it to
DH now, since Rudy rarely recalls to him in a reasonable amount
of time, and he handles it poorly.

 We need to keep endearing the Rude-man to him after all!
--
Janet B

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 Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
 too scared to go out in the yard anymore.

 Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
 because the dog got caught right in the path of
 the shock and will now not go near his person,
 won't go outside.

 Just hides under a desk in the house.

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 "micha el" spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com
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 Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
 it felt like to me when I got shocked by
 Hope's collar.

 It felt like a bomb going off in my
 hand and forearm.

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From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/06
Subject: Re: Shina Inu Experts : Please help!

Dogman, quoting howdy-doody:

********** Jerry's never met a puppy,  He's never met a
RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear.  I have a wonderfully
 exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it.

My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation.

Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it.  Other
times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does
not enjoy that.  Without my supervision, confinement is only
sensible (of course).

I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through
re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed.

*********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety
 gates, doors, etc.  Let's just open up the houses and let everyone
run amok!

************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many
 of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him.

Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're
all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as
usual) is a reality for most.

Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him?

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"

THAT was your pal DOGMAN, another pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES coward.
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
 BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

 Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
 make her think twice about rushing past you again -
 - which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

 "My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
 And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
 to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
 I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.

 A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

 Okay.  Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
 if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
 When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
 have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
 really matters.  Saving lives and making dogs become
 good citizens

        At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
         dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
         *not* constitute a "beating."

                                LIKE THIS:

              Howell Book House," 1996 William Koehler

                  BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING,
         YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING

The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it certain
you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him know you were
against his sound effects, even though your reproving didn't quiet
them, so we'll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of water in
his face, and the "shame-shames" and start with something more
emphatic.

We'll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one
that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at
familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from
a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of
temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his
mouth.

But you won't make the permanent impression unless you
supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he
thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don't always come at
the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet
hour" and pursue his old routines at other times.

With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs
with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As
was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not
lessen the dog's value as a  watchdog but rather, as he grows more
discriminating, increase it.

The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because
you're gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical
for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater
to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you'll have to heed
the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little
ingenuity as well as a heavy hand.

Attach a line to your dog's collar, so your corrective effort
doesn't turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a
stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will
also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog
drags it around when you're not present. Next, equip yourself with a
man's leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular
dog a good tanning.

Yup-we're going to strike him. Real hard. Remember,
you're dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and
neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does.

Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going.
When you've walked to a point where he'll think you're gone but
where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If
you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful
not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog's hearing to be many times as
sharp as yours.

When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so
you can barge in while he's still barking, which is generally
impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of
"out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area.

Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you've
conveniently placed, and descend on him. He'll have no chance to
dodge if you grab the line  and reel him in until his front feet are
raised off the floor or, if he's a big dog, until you've snubbed him
up with a hitch on something. While he's held in close, lay the
strap vigorously against his thighs.

Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the bitter end. A real
whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat
performances that will be necessary.

When you're finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on
a long down to think things over  while you catch your breath. After
fifteen or twenty minutes, release  him from the stay and leave the
area again.

So that you won't feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a great
percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good homes" end
up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell. Personally, I've
always felt that it's even better to spank children, even if they
"cry out," than to "put them to sleep."

You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch before your
dog starts broadcasting again. When he does, let your long range
bellow tie the consequent correction to his first sound and repeat
the spanking, if anything emphasizing it a bit more.

It might be necessary to spend a Saturday or another day off so that
you'll have time to follow through sufficiently. When you have a
full day, you will be able to convince him each yelp will have a bad
consequence, and the consistency will make your job easier. If he
gets away with his concert part of the time, he'll be apt to gamble
on your inconsistency.

After a half dozen corrections, "the reason and the correction" will
be tied in close enough association so that you can move in on him
without the preliminary bellowing of "out." From then on, it's just
a case of laying for the dog and supplying enough bad
consequences of his noise so he'll no longer feel like gambling.

Occasionally, there is a dog who seems to sense that you're hiding
nearby and will utter no sound. He also seems to sense when you
have really gone away, at least according to the neighbors. Maybe
his sensing actually amounts to close observation. He could be
watching and listening for the signs of your actual going.

Make a convincing operation of leaving, even if it requires changing
clothes and being unusually noisy as you slam the doors on the
family car and drive away. Arrange with a friend to trade cars a
block or two from your house so you can come back and park within
earshot without a single familiar sound to tell the dog you've
returned. A few of these car changes are generally enough to fool
the most alert dog.

Whether your dog believes you are gone anytime you step out of the
house or requires the production of changing clothes and driving
off, keep working until even your neighbors admit the dog has
reformed. If there has been a long history of barking and whining,
it sometimes requires a lot of work to make a dog be quiet when
you're not around, so give the above method an honest try before
you presume your dog requires a more severe correction.

              "The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962).
            New York:  Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

                                Hanging

 "First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more
than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most frantic
actions could cause.  Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and
fairly to the point  where the dog makes his grab.  Before the teeth
have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.  As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.

 However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had
 the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty.  The only justifiable
 course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor
 inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is obvious that he is
 physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to
 the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps,
 vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.  The sight of a dog
 lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it
 alarm you

                             THE REAL "HOOD"

 "If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing types
of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his resentment of your
 efforts by biting, your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

 "Professional trainers often get these extreme problems.  Nearly
 always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a person who, by
 avoiding situations that the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds
 of rebellion and then cultivated the resultant growth with under
 correction.

 When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes
 painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
 trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected because it was
 incompatible with the sugary droolings of mealy-mouthed columnists,
 breed-ring biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins
 and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of
 the greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time.

 "With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would ever be
 demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a correction and
 certainly with more disregard for his safety, the professional trainer
 morally feels obligated to perform a "major operation."

 "Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in
 resentment of the demands of training, we will set our example in that
 situation.  (In a later chapter we will deal with the with the much
 easier problem of the dog that bites someone other than his master."

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     "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
                  may acquire those rights
         which never could have been withholden from them
                    but by the hand of tyranny.
             The question is not can they REASON,
                       nor can they TALK,
                     but can they SUFFER?"  -
                      - Jeremy Bentham

           "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
                 for the good of its victims,
                 may be the most oppressive.
           Those who torment us for our own good
                 will torment us without end,
             for they do so with the approval of
                   their own conscience." -
                       - C.S. Lewis.

         "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
                  Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
                        Agamemnon.

        "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                   and you will know each other.
         If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
                and what you do not know you will fear.

                   What one fears, one destroys."
                      Chief Dan George

             All truth passes through three stages.
                     First, it is ridiculed.
               Second, it is violently opposed.
            Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                    -Arthur Schopenhauer

             "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                  even tho it's a hopeless task,
                     in this system of things.
                  As long as man is ruling man,
                 there will be animals (and humans!)
                    abused and neglected. :-(
                    Your student," Juanita.

                "If you've got them by the balls
                    their hearts and minds
                        will follow,"
                         John Wayne.

                    ANY QUESTIONS, People?

                           "Ye shall know the truth,
                    and the truth shall make you mad." -
                                ~Aldous Huxley.

             "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
             "Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
                                  -Friedrich Schiller.

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