> On Aug 20, 9:40 am, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote: > > If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no > > point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before > > the means.
> > --Tedward
> red sawce>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yeller sawce
March madness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no >>> point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before >>> the means.
>> All I can say is, "What Atrios said."
> I take it you agree a blastocyst is alive. Good -- I'm not dealing > with hammett, apparently.
>> "Believe what you want, but the important question for politicians is how >> such things get translated into... policy. And when McCain says he >> believes life begins at conception (cheer!) it's pretty meaningless
> What the hell does McCain have to with life beginning at conception? > (I've never argued a blastula has rights. Your question is when does > a fetus get rights. That it is alive is a fundamental fact that must > be determined,
How's that? That fact's been determined for a very, very long time. Sorry if it's news to you.
> and that milestone is at conception.
Wrong. Both sperm cells and egg cells are just as alive as a zygote. Thus, there is no "life" milestone at conception.
This is just one reason why your point about "fertilized eggs" being alive is both true and completely irrelevent.
> If the fetus dies, > it's obviously abortable. But this parenthetical is a red herring.)
> This isn't just an abortion debate, either.
It's not even an abortion debate. If anything, it's a reminder of how little people understand biology in this country.
> > > If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no > > > point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before > > > the means.
> > > --Tedward
> > when does it become sentient?
> < > <Is that a requirement for respect?
> No. Rights, maybe.
< <Whatever. Same question.
Whatever. It isn't the same question.
>Some of us distinguish between human and human being.
< <Not sure where this came from.
A blastula is alive and human, just like my red blood cells. Neither are a human being.
Edward M. Kennedy, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 8/20/2008 12:12 PM, or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on Usenet:
>>> If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no >>> point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before >>> the means.
>> Whether a fertilized egg is alive is a red herring.
> No, it's just the first fact you have to establish. Otherwise one's position > implies some magical point at which it becomes alive.
> --Tedward
I don't think anyone argues that a fertilized egg isn't "alive", though, Ted.
> the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, > oh, 8/20/2008 10:40 AM, or thereabouts, when you let the following > craziness loose on Usenet:
> > On Aug 20, 11:10 am, Steve Cutchen <max...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> In article <g8had2$qh...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, Edward M. Kennedy
> >> <e...@eio.com> wrote: > >>> If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no > >>> point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before > >>> the means. > >>> --Tedward > >> when does it become sentient?
>>>> If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no >>>> point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before >>>> the means.
>>> All I can say is, "What Atrios said."
>> I take it you agree a blastocyst is alive. Good -- I'm not dealing >> with hammett, apparently.
>>> "Believe what you want, but the important question for politicians is how such things get translated into... policy. And when >>> McCain says he believes life begins at conception (cheer!) it's pretty meaningless
>> What the hell does McCain have to with life beginning at conception? >> (I've never argued a blastula has rights. Your question is when does >> a fetus get rights. That it is alive is a fundamental fact that must >> be determined,
> How's that? That fact's been determined for a very, very long time. Sorry if it's news to you.
No, someone else was arguing life doesn't begin at conception.
>> and that milestone is at conception.
> Wrong. Both sperm cells and egg cells are just as alive as a zygote. Thus, there is no "life" milestone at conception.
You don't see the difference between a fertilized egg and just a sperm or just an egg?! *My* life began at conception, the sperm and egg were just the cells that contributed to it.
> This is just one reason why your point about "fertilized eggs" being alive is both true and completely irrelevent.
So when did your life begin?
>> If the fetus dies, >> it's obviously abortable. But this parenthetical is a red herring.)
>> This isn't just an abortion debate, either.
> It's not even an abortion debate. If anything, it's a reminder of how little people understand biology in this country.
>> "Randolph M. Jones" <rjo...@soartech.com> wrote
>>>> If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no >>>> point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before >>>> the means.
>>> Whether a fertilized egg is alive is a red herring.
>> No, it's just the first fact you have to establish. Otherwise one's position >> implies some magical point at which it becomes alive.
>> --Tedward
> I don't think anyone argues that a fertilized egg isn't "alive", though, Ted.
> That might have been Huck's point.
Well, hammett is arguing life doesn't begin at conception. Which leaves two possibilities, equally implausible.
On Aug 20, 1:06 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> Damon Hynes wrote, On 8/20/08 11:47 AM:
> > On Aug 20, 11:06 am, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" > > <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The Who>>>>>>>>>the rest of Britain X2
> > Pay attention to this man. He knows of what he speaks.
> The Kinks >>> The Who
> If you don't believe me, ask Pete Townshend.
I know, I know. Paraphrase: "Ray Davies can write songs that ate ten times better than mine, and the Stones and Beatles sell ten times as much as the two of us together."
"Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in message news:g8had2$qha$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu... : If you believe a fertilized egg isn't alive -- life -- there's no : point in discussing anything further. You've put the end before : the means. : : --Tedward : Which came first? The Chicken or the EggHeads!
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TEDWARD Said:
Eggs are really good for you. They have all the nutrition needed to make a chicken.
