On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... > > Had this happened off post,
> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool head blown > off as soon as he made himself a target by shooting at the guy. But > hey, at least he'd be remembered for his bravery [sic: machismo] on the > news and at his funeral.
It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting people and coming your way.
> On Nov 6, 10:01 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: > > In article <f4OdnQEDGY8T_2nXnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4...@supernews.com>, > > ten.wohsdoog@sirhc says...
> > > Tom Enright wrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: > > > > On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > >> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote:
> > > >>> lein wrote: > > > >>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? > > > >>> Ya think? > > > >> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
> > > >> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just one > > > >> of those things that happen", but when you step back and look at it, > > > >> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey (other than the > > > >> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male).
> > > > You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his > > > > religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed. In > > > > the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will apologize for > > > > this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can do to make > > > > their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand still.'
> > > I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers > > > know about things about which they know nothing.
> > > cb
> > It has certainly brought the right-wing hate to a boil. What > > about when white guys kill a bunch of people? Should all white > > people get the blame?
> Only the ones who are trained psychiatrists who, instead of treating > our returning vets, argues with them about how Muslims are justified > in blowing them up, then commit and act of premeditated mass murder > after yelling Allahu Akbar.
So just the one guy, then, not all Muslims,is what you are saying.
> On Nov 6, 10:01 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: > > In article <f4OdnQEDGY8T_2nXnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4...@supernews.com>, > > ten.wohsdoog@sirhc says...
> > > Tom Enright wrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: > > > > On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > >> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote:
> > > >>> lein wrote: > > > >>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? > > > >>> Ya think? > > > >> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
> > > >> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just > > > >> one > > > >> of those things that happen", but when you step back and look at > > > >> it, > > > >> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey (other than > > > >> the > > > >> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male).
> > > > You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his > > > > religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed. > > > > In > > > > the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will apologize > > > > for > > > > this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can do to make > > > > their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand still.'
> > > I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers > > > know about things about which they know nothing.
> > > cb
> > It has certainly brought the right-wing hate to a boil. What > > about when white guys kill a bunch of people? Should all white > > people get the blame?
> Only the ones who are trained psychiatrists who, instead of treating > our returning vets, argues with them about how Muslims are justified > in blowing them up, then commit and act of premeditated mass murder > after yelling Allahu Akbar.
So just the one guy, then, not all Muslims,is what you are saying.
Only Jihad Joe, this week.. But there are many of them (weeks and terrorists)..
Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy animal.
>On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy >> animal.
>> >Could this possibly be a hate crime?
>> I'm thinking his hate should get him another 100+ years tacked on to >> his execution.
>Do you want to see him executed?
I do not support the death penalty, no.
But since the death penalty is a constitutional punishment within Federal and Texas state law, I do not conclude that this guy will survive his crimes.
Additionally, though I do not support the death penalty (because I believe it is unequally applies and that there is to great a chance that someone innocent will be executed), I will not mourn him.
John M. Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy > animal.
> >On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy > >> animal.
> >> >Could this possibly be a hate crime?
> >> I'm thinking his hate should get him another 100+ years tacked on to > >> his execution.
> >Do you want to see him executed?
> I do not support the death penalty, no.
> But since the death penalty is a constitutional punishment within > Federal and Texas state law, I do not conclude that this guy will > survive his crimes.
> Additionally, though I do not support the death penalty (because I > believe it is unequally applies and that there is to great a chance > that someone innocent will be executed), I will not mourn him.
I'm not sure Texas state law will play any part in this. Back when I was in the military and played a cop, the citations we wrote went through the Federal Magistrates office in San Fransisco - the base is Federal jurisdiction.
Now, being Federal, on U.S. soil, will it be a military court martial or a civilian trial? I guess the prosecutors will get a choice. With multiple murder counts, could he get both? Court martial for the military crimes, Federal court for the civilian crimes (that don't overlap)?
Part of me likes the Military trial - if he doesn't get the death penalty, there is the opportunity for hard labor and rations.
> > On Nov 6, 3:08 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote: > >> J. Hugh Sullivan wrote, On 11/6/09 12:41 PM:
> >>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:53:18 -0600, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> > >>> wrote: > >>>> TomEnrightwrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: > >>>>> On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote: > >>>>>>> lein wrote: > >>>>>>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? > >>>>>>> Ya think? > >>>>>> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder. > >>>>>> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just one > >>>>>> of those things that happen", but when you step back and look at it, > >>>>>> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey (other than the > >>>>>> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male). > >>>>> You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his > >>>>> religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed. In > >>>>> the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will apologize for > >>>>> this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can do to make > >>>>> their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand still.' > >>>> I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers > >>>> know about things about which they know nothing. > >>> Fortunately you know it all so you can keep them straight. > >> Well, I know that that I don't know what I don't know.
> >> Tom seems to have a very good handle on how everything > >> will play out, though, which makes me wonder why he's > >> not a stock market zillionaire.
> > FU. I've made a killing in Guilt-Ridden-Western-Liberal-Pol futures.
> I'm just disappointed that you didn't predict that the > Soros-controlled left wouldn't now demand a bill banning > guns in the military. That would have ruled, but you > missed your chance.
I honestly thought about posting something similar just to be a smartass, but figured I'm too friggin' tired to read all the crybaby responses that would surely follow.
hey, lein <jan.leine.we...@gmail.com>'s been through solid matter, for crying out loud. Who knows what's happened to his brain? Maybe it's scrambled his molecules...
>On Nov 7, 12:09 am, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy >> animal.
>> >On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy >> >> animal.
>> >> >Could this possibly be a hate crime?
>> >> I'm thinking his hate should get him another 100+ years tacked on to >> >> his execution.
>> >Do you want to see him executed?
>> I do not support the death penalty, no.
>> But since the death penalty is a constitutional punishment within >> Federal and Texas state law, I do not conclude that this guy will >> survive his crimes.
>> Additionally, though I do not support the death penalty (because I >> believe it is unequally applies and that there is to great a chance >> that someone innocent will be executed), I will not mourn him.
Ft Leavenworth has gotten funky... IIRC it is a Red Line Brig, If you cross a line you're not supposed to, they can shoot you. Those Marines can be as Psychotic as the Guy who snapped the other day....
>I'm not sure Texas state law will play any part in this. Back when I >was in the military and played a cop, the citations we wrote went >through the Federal Magistrates office in San Fransisco - the base is >Federal jurisdiction.
>Now, being Federal, on U.S. soil, will it be a military court martial >or a civilian trial? I guess the prosecutors will get a choice. >With multiple murder counts, could he get both? Court martial for the >military crimes, Federal court for the civilian crimes (that don't >overlap)?
>Part of me likes the Military trial - if he doesn't get the death >penalty, there is the opportunity for hard labor and rations.
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lein wrote: > On Nov 6, 10:01 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: >> In article <f4OdnQEDGY8T_2nXnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4...@supernews.com>, >> ten.wohsdoog@sirhc says...
>>> Tom Enright wrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: >>>> On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>>> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote:
>>>>>> lein wrote: >>>>>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? >>>>>> Ya think? >>>>> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
>>>>> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just >>>>> one of those things that happen", but when you step back and look >>>>> at it, hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey >>>>> (other than the means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male).
>>>> You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his >>>> religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed. >>>> In the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will >>>> apologize for this and ask other potential mass murderers what >>>> they can do to make their life easier. My guess the answer will be >>>> 'stand still.'
>>> I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers >>> know about things about which they know nothing.
>>> cb
>> It has certainly brought the right-wing hate to a boil. What >> about when white guys kill a bunch of people? Should all white >> people get the blame?
> Only the ones who are trained psychiatrists who, instead of treating > our returning vets, argues with them about how Muslims are justified > in blowing them up, then commit and act of premeditated mass murder > after yelling Allahu Akbar.
And they shout "OH Fuck" when they hear, "Ready, Aim, Fire!!"
lein wrote: > On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... >>> Had this happened off post,
>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool head blown >> off as soon as he made himself a target by shooting at the guy. But >> hey, at least he'd be remembered for his bravery [sic: machismo] on >> the news and at his funeral.
> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting people and > coming your way.
Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like me, then I prefer the double tap to the area right between the eyes.
lein wrote: > On Nov 7, 12:09 am, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy >> animal.
>>> On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you >>>> filthy animal.
>>>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime?
>>>> I'm thinking his hate should get him another 100+ years tacked on >>>> to his execution.
>>> Do you want to see him executed?
>> I do not support the death penalty, no.
>> But since the death penalty is a constitutional punishment within >> Federal and Texas state law, I do not conclude that this guy will >> survive his crimes.
>> Additionally, though I do not support the death penalty (because I >> believe it is unequally applies and that there is to great a chance >> that someone innocent will be executed), I will not mourn him.
> I'm not sure Texas state law will play any part in this. (Snip)
I do know that the FBI asked for help from the Texas Rangers and of course the Governor oblidged. Now we'll never know the real story. The Rangers get involved with other police depts when wrong doing is suspected by law enforcement. They even go to other states (when asked) to do the same. I'm not saying this is why, but it's usually why. So this female rent a cop is first on the scene, shoots the Alah Akbar asshole and he shoots her. Now, what if the have a bastard baby at home and she's getting payback from the two timing sand rat?
I like my version best so far, I'm writing the screen play.
<shendryx.clot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >lein wrote: >> On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... >>>> Had this happened off post,
>>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool head blown >>> off as soon as he made himself a target by shooting at the guy. But >>> hey, at least he'd be remembered for his bravery [sic: machismo] on >>> the news and at his funeral.
>> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting people and >> coming your way.
>Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like me, then I >prefer the double tap to the area right between the eyes.
As I age I get a bit shaky. It's much easier to line up on a moving target now than when my nerves were steady.
My first shot would always be for the mass. Knock him down first then shoot him wherever and as often as you wish.
> > On Nov 6, 10:01 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: > > > In article <f4OdnQEDGY8T_2nXnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4...@supernews.com>, > > > ten.wohsdoog@sirhc says...
> > > > Tom Enright wrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > >> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote:
> > > > >>> lein wrote: > > > > >>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? > > > > >>> Ya think? > > > > >> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
> > > > >> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just > > > > >> one > > > > >> of those things that happen", but when you step back and look at > > > > >> it, > > > > >> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey (other than > > > > >> the > > > > >> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male).
> > > > > You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his > > > > > religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed. > > > > > In > > > > > the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will apologize > > > > > for > > > > > this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can do to make > > > > > their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand still.'
> > > > I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers > > > > know about things about which they know nothing.
> > > > cb
> > > It has certainly brought the right-wing hate to a boil. What > > > about when white guys kill a bunch of people? Should all white > > > people get the blame?
> > Only the ones who are trained psychiatrists who, instead of treating > > our returning vets, argues with them about how Muslims are justified > > in blowing them up, then commit and act of premeditated mass murder > > after yelling Allahu Akbar.
> So just the one guy, then, not all Muslims,is what you are saying.
> Only Jihad Joe, this week.. But there are many of them (weeks and > terrorists)..
> Heiman
And there are a few Timothy McVeys out there as well.
> <shendryx.clot...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >lein wrote: > >> On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... > >>>> Had this happened off post,
> >>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool head blown > >>> off as soon as he made himself a target by shooting at the guy. But > >>> hey, at least he'd be remembered for his bravery [sic: machismo] on > >>> the news and at his funeral.
> >> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting people and > >> coming your way.
> >Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like me, then I > >prefer the double tap to the area right between the eyes.
> As I age I get a bit shaky. It's much easier to line up on a moving > target now than when my nerves were steady.
> My first shot would always be for the mass. Knock him down first then > shoot him wherever and as often as you wish.
I would suggest you get an AK-47 then. Aim low and to the left of your target, pull the trigger and steadily sweep the gun to the right The recoil will lift the barrel and you'll give him a nice diagonal pattern across his midsection.
> In article <2Q8Jm.5860$Wd1.3...@newsfe15.iad>, dak...@cox.net says...
> > "sam" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message > >news:MPG.255ece753e29d912989a0b@news.supernews.com... > > In article <17bdf914-a0b5-4f1b-8a6e-c4492e1d6f87 > > @v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, boomer_the_...@my-deja.com says...
> > > On Nov 6, 10:01 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: > > > > In article <f4OdnQEDGY8T_2nXnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4...@supernews.com>, > > > > ten.wohsdoog@sirhc says...
> > > > > Tom Enright wrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>> lein wrote: > > > > > >>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? > > > > > >>> Ya think? > > > > > >> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
> > > > > >> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just > > > > > >> one > > > > > >> of those things that happen", but when you step back and look at > > > > > >> it, > > > > > >> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey (other than > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male).
> > > > > > You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his > > > > > > religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed. > > > > > > In > > > > > > the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will apologize > > > > > > for > > > > > > this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can do to make > > > > > > their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand still.'
> > > > > I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers > > > > > know about things about which they know nothing.
> > > > > cb
> > > > It has certainly brought the right-wing hate to a boil. What > > > > about when white guys kill a bunch of people? Should all white > > > > people get the blame?
> > > Only the ones who are trained psychiatrists who, instead of treating > > > our returning vets, argues with them about how Muslims are justified > > > in blowing them up, then commit and act of premeditated mass murder > > > after yelling Allahu Akbar.
> > So just the one guy, then, not all Muslims,is what you are saying.
> > Only Jihad Joe, this week.. But there are many of them (weeks and > > terrorists)..
> > Heiman
> And there are a few Timothy McVeys out there as well.
So did we treat McVey as a poor victim? Someone who just snapped, just one of those things?
> On Nov 7, 7:07 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: > > In article <2Q8Jm.5860$Wd1.3...@newsfe15.iad>, dak...@cox.net says...
> > > "sam" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message > > >news:MPG.255ece753e29d912989a0b@news.supernews.com... > > > In article <17bdf914-a0b5-4f1b-8a6e-c4492e1d6f87 > > > @v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, boomer_the_...@my-deja.com says...
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:01 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: > > > > > In article <f4OdnQEDGY8T_2nXnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4...@supernews.com>, > > > > > ten.wohsdoog@sirhc says...
> > > > > > Tom Enright wrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> lein wrote: > > > > > > >>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? > > > > > > >>> Ya think? > > > > > > >> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
> > > > > > >> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just > > > > > > >> one > > > > > > >> of those things that happen", but when you step back and look at > > > > > > >> it, > > > > > > >> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey (other than > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male).
> > > > > > > You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his > > > > > > > religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will apologize > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can do to make > > > > > > > their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand still.'
> > > > > > I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers > > > > > > know about things about which they know nothing.
> > > > > > cb
> > > > > It has certainly brought the right-wing hate to a boil. What > > > > > about when white guys kill a bunch of people? Should all white > > > > > people get the blame?
> > > > Only the ones who are trained psychiatrists who, instead of treating > > > > our returning vets, argues with them about how Muslims are justified > > > > in blowing them up, then commit and act of premeditated mass murder > > > > after yelling Allahu Akbar.
> > > So just the one guy, then, not all Muslims,is what you are saying.
> > > Only Jihad Joe, this week.. But there are many of them (weeks and > > > terrorists)..
> > > Heiman
> > And there are a few Timothy McVeys out there as well.
> So did we treat McVey as a poor victim? Someone who just snapped, > just one of those things?
No, but does he represent the white race or its religions?
> On Nov 7, 12:09 am, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy >> animal.
>>> On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Hey, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com>... keep the change, you filthy >>>> animal. >>>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? >>>> I'm thinking his hate should get him another 100+ years tacked on to >>>> his execution. >>> Do you want to see him executed? >> I do not support the death penalty, no.
>> But since the death penalty is a constitutional punishment within >> Federal and Texas state law, I do not conclude that this guy will >> survive his crimes.
>> Additionally, though I do not support the death penalty (because I >> believe it is unequally applies and that there is to great a chance >> that someone innocent will be executed), I will not mourn him.
> I'm not sure Texas state law will play any part in this. Back when I > was in the military and played a cop, the citations we wrote went > through the Federal Magistrates office in San Fransisco - the base is > Federal jurisdiction.
You're right about this. Federal jurisdiction always supersedes state. However, any state crimes committed not covered under federal law still apply. This, too, happened in Oklahoma after the McVeigh bombing.
<jan.leine.we...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 6:06=A0am, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0600, "MoParMaN"
>> <shendryx.clot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >lein wrote: >> >> On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... >> >>>> Had this happened off post,
>> >>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool head blown >> >>> off as soon as he made himself a target by shooting at the guy. But >> >>> hey, at least he'd be remembered for his bravery [sic: machismo] on >> >>> the news and at his funeral.
>> >> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting people and >> >> coming your way.
>> >Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like me, then I >> >prefer the double tap to the area right between the eyes.
>> As I age I get a bit shaky. It's much easier to line up on a moving >> target now than when my nerves were steady.
>> My first shot would always be for the mass. Knock him down first then >> shoot him wherever and as often as you wish.
>I would suggest you get an AK-47 then. Aim low and to the left of >your target, pull the trigger and steadily sweep the gun to the >right The recoil will lift the barrel and you'll give him a nice >diagonal pattern across his midsection.
I have an AK-47. When they weigh him he should be about 5# heavier than usual.
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST), lein > <jan.leine.we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Nov 7, 6:06=A0am, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) >>wrote: >>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0600, "MoParMaN"
>>> <shendryx.clot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >lein wrote: >>> >> On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers >>> >> <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... >>> >>>> Had this happened off post,
>>> >>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool >>> >>> head blown off as soon as he made himself a target by >>> >>> shooting at the guy. But hey, at least he'd be remembered >>> >>> for his bravery [sic: machismo] on the news and at his >>> >>> funeral.
>>> >> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting >>> >> people and coming your way.
>>> >Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like >>> >me, then I prefer the double tap to the area right between >>> >the eyes.
>>> As I age I get a bit shaky. It's much easier to line up on a >>> moving target now than when my nerves were steady.
>>> My first shot would always be for the mass. Knock him down >>> first then shoot him wherever and as often as you wish.
>>I would suggest you get an AK-47 then. Aim low and to the left >>of your target, pull the trigger and steadily sweep the gun to >>the right The recoil will lift the barrel and you'll give him >>a nice diagonal pattern across his midsection.
> I have an AK-47. When they weigh him he should be about 5# > heavier than usual.
Shooting someone 248 times (assuming no through and thoughs or fragmentation) would likely invalidate any Castle Doctrine claims.
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST), lein > <jan.leine.we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 7, 6:06=A0am, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote: > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0600, "MoParMaN"
> >> <shendryx.clot...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >lein wrote: > >> >> On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... > >> >>>> Had this happened off post,
> >> >>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool head blown > >> >>> off as soon as he made himself a target by shooting at the guy. But > >> >>> hey, at least he'd be remembered for his bravery [sic: machismo] on > >> >>> the news and at his funeral.
> >> >> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting people and > >> >> coming your way.
> >> >Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like me, then I > >> >prefer the double tap to the area right between the eyes.
> >> As I age I get a bit shaky. It's much easier to line up on a moving > >> target now than when my nerves were steady.
> >> My first shot would always be for the mass. Knock him down first then > >> shoot him wherever and as often as you wish.
> >I would suggest you get an AK-47 then. Aim low and to the left of > >your target, pull the trigger and steadily sweep the gun to the > >right The recoil will lift the barrel and you'll give him a nice > >diagonal pattern across his midsection.
> I have an AK-47. When they weigh him he should be about 5# heavier > than usual.
> Hugh
So you want to stand there and shoot someone repeatedly with a semiautomatic weapon.
That proves nothing, except that you are a sadist.
Why not put a Bowie knife in both your hands and have at it. That would prove that you are a man.
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:58:39 -0600, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: >In article <4af5b80b.16566...@news.eternal-september.org>, >Ea...@bellsouth.net says...
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST), lein >> <jan.leine.we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 7, 6:06=A0am, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote: >> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0600, "MoParMaN"
>> >> <shendryx.clot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >lein wrote: >> >> >> On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... >> >> >>>> Had this happened off post,
>> >> >>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool head blown >> >> >>> off as soon as he made himself a target by shooting at the guy. But >> >> >>> hey, at least he'd be remembered for his bravery [sic: machismo] on >> >> >>> the news and at his funeral.
>> >> >> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting people and >> >> >> coming your way.
>> >> >Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like me, then I >> >> >prefer the double tap to the area right between the eyes.
>> >> As I age I get a bit shaky. It's much easier to line up on a moving >> >> target now than when my nerves were steady.
>> >> My first shot would always be for the mass. Knock him down first then >> >> shoot him wherever and as often as you wish.
>> >I would suggest you get an AK-47 then. Aim low and to the left of >> >your target, pull the trigger and steadily sweep the gun to the >> >right The recoil will lift the barrel and you'll give him a nice >> >diagonal pattern across his midsection.
>> I have an AK-47. When they weigh him he should be about 5# heavier >> than usual.
>> Hugh
>So you want to stand there and shoot someone repeatedly with >a semiautomatic weapon.
>That proves nothing, except that you are a sadist.
>Why not put a Bowie knife in both your hands and have at it. That >would prove that you are a man.
>s
Not "someone". A maniac who is killing people. I think he should be tortured to death - over a long period of time. Then he should be rendered into dog food and his name never published in the papers.
Va Beach Hokie wrote: > On Sat 07 Nov 2009 01:11:37p, J. Hugh Sullivan > (Ea...@bellsouth.net) wrote
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST), lein >> <jan.leine.we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 6:06=A0am, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) >>> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0600, "MoParMaN"
>>>> <shendryx.clot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> lein wrote: >>>>>> On Nov 6, 5:33 pm, Anthony Summers >>>>>> <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:28:40 -0600, MoParMaN wrote... >>>>>>>> Had this happened off post,
>>>>>>> some gung-ho wanna-be vigilante would have gotten his fool >>>>>>> head blown off as soon as he made himself a target by >>>>>>> shooting at the guy. But hey, at least he'd be remembered >>>>>>> for his bravery [sic: machismo] on the news and at his >>>>>>> funeral.
>>>>>> It is not vigilantism when you off a guy randomly shooting >>>>>> people and coming your way.
>>>>> Aim for center mass, unless your a most excellent shot like >>>>> me, then I prefer the double tap to the area right between >>>>> the eyes.
>>>> As I age I get a bit shaky. It's much easier to line up on a >>>> moving target now than when my nerves were steady.
>>>> My first shot would always be for the mass. Knock him down >>>> first then shoot him wherever and as often as you wish.
>>> I would suggest you get an AK-47 then. Aim low and to the left >>> of your target, pull the trigger and steadily sweep the gun to >>> the right The recoil will lift the barrel and you'll give him >>> a nice diagonal pattern across his midsection.
>> I have an AK-47. When they weigh him he should be about 5# >> heavier than usual.
> Shooting someone 248 times (assuming no through and thoughs or > fragmentation) would likely invalidate any Castle Doctrine claims.
On Nov 7, 11:25 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote:
> In article <d4636fe9-9677-4d59-b3ca- > 922984824...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, jan.leine.we...@gmail.com > > > And there are a few Timothy McVeys out there as well.
> > So did we treat McVey as a poor victim? Someone who just snapped, > > just one of those things? > No, but does he represent the white race or its religions?
Of course not, that would be dumb. Members of races do not automatically hold certain beliefs. Unlike religions.
> On Nov 7, 7:07 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: >> In article <2Q8Jm.5860$Wd1.3...@newsfe15.iad>, dak...@cox.net says...
>> > "sam" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message >> >news:MPG.255ece753e29d912989a0b@news.supernews.com... >> > In article <17bdf914-a0b5-4f1b-8a6e-c4492e1d6f87 >> > @v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, boomer_the_...@my-deja.com says...
>> > > On Nov 6, 10:01 am, sam <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote: >> > > > In article <f4OdnQEDGY8T_2nXnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4...@supernews.com>, >> > > > ten.wohsdoog@sirhc says...
>> > > > > Tom Enright wrote, On 11/6/09 11:50 AM: >> > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote:
>> > > > > >>> lein wrote: >> > > > > >>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? >> > > > > >>> Ya think? >> > > > > >> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
>> > > > > >> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a >> > > > > >> "ju > st >> > > > > >> one >> > > > > >> of those things that happen", but when you step back and >> > > > > >> look > at >> > > > > >> it, >> > > > > >> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey >> > > > > >> (other th > an >> > > > > >> the >> > > > > >> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male).
>> > > > > > You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" >> > > > > > because of > his >> > > > > > religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be >> > > > > > kill > ed. >> > > > > > In >> > > > > > the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will >> > > > > > apolog > ize >> > > > > > for >> > > > > > this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can >> > > > > > do to > make >> > > > > > their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand >> > > > > > still.'
>> > > > > I have a never-ending fascination with how much rightwingers >> > > > > know about things about which they know nothing.
>> > > > > cb
>> > > > It has certainly brought the right-wing hate to a boil. What >> > > > about when white guys kill a bunch of people? Should all white >> > > > people get the blame?
>> > > Only the ones who are trained psychiatrists who, instead of >> > > treating our returning vets, argues with them about how Muslims >> > > are justified in blowing them up, then commit and act of >> > > premeditated mass murder after yelling Allahu Akbar.
>> > So just the one guy, then, not all Muslims,is what you are saying.
>> > Only Jihad Joe, this week.. But there are many of them (weeks and >> > terrorists)..
>> > Heiman
>> And there are a few Timothy McVeys out there as well.
> So did we treat McVey as a poor victim? Someone who just snapped, > just one of those things?
I didn't. I don't know what you did.
...but there were a good number of people out there who did treat McVey as a poor victim.
> On Nov 6, 6:07 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote: >> Tom Enright sent the following on 11/6/2009 11:50 AM:
>>> On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>> On Nov 6, 6:04 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote: >>>>> lein wrote: >>>>>> Could this possibly be a hate crime? >>>>> Ya think? >>>> Maybe it was pre-post traumatic stress disorder. >>>> One thing for sure, I expect the press to make this into a "just one >>>> of those things that happen", but when you step back and look at it, >>>> hard to see how this is any different than Tim McVey (other than the >>>> means, and the fact that it wasn't a white male). >>> You'll hear a lot about how the guy was "mistreated" because of his >>> religious beliefs, despite stating that infidels should be killed.
>> He did? What did he state, exactly? And a cite would be nice, too.
> He gave a Grand Rounds presentation. . . You take turns giving a > lecture on, you know, the correct treatment of schizophrenia, the > right drugs to prescribe for personality disorder, you know, that sort > of thing. But instead of giving an academic paper, he gave a lecture > on the Koran, and they said it didn’t seem to be just an informational > lecture, but it seemed to be his own beliefs. That’s what a lot of > people thought.
> He talked about how if you’re a nonbeliever THE KORAN SAYS you should > have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, > you should be set on fire. And I said well couldn’t this just be his > educating you? And the psychiatrist said yes, but one of the Muslims > in the audience, another psychiatrist, raised his hand and was quite > disturbed and he said you know, a lot of us don’t believe these things > you’re saying, and that there was no place where Hasan couched it as > this is what the Koran teaches but you know I don’t believe it. And > people actually talked in the hallway afterwards about ‘is he one of > these people that’s going to freak out and shoot people someday?’
> HTH
Not really. All we have is one person's anecdotal evidence, and not even *that* "evidence" attempts to claim that Hasan actually *advocated* that sort of violence. Instead, it only claims (anecdotally again) that Hasan didn't explicitly refute it.
If you want to use this as "proof" that Hasan *himself* believed "that infidels should be killed," knock yourself out. My own standards for proof are a bit higher than that. And if this had been a Christian extremist whose actions had a lot of people being quick to bash Christianity, I have a feeling that you'd be singing a different tune even as you were trying to get your panties untwisted.
>>> In >>> the end the US Military, and perhaps the president, will apologize for >>> this and ask other potential mass murderers what they can do to make >>> their life easier. My guess the answer will be 'stand still.'
>> Based on the available information, my take on the whole thing is that >> this was a religious guy who cracked. He could have just as easily been >> Jewish or Christian. For that matter, he could have just as easily been >> agnostic or an atheist.
> Indeed. It could "just as easily been" your mother, my dog or Elivs.
Now you're really acting like an simplistic idiot. Even your own link above focused far more on stress and Hasan's impending deployment than it spent on his religious faith, but for whatever reason, you decided to latch onto the religious faith aspect of the story. Why is that, exactly?
In the end, I'm not denying that there aren't Muslim extremists in this country at this moment. OTOH, I'm not the least bit prepared to jump to the conclusion that *any* act of violence committed by a Muslim in this country must somehow be an extremist act based on his Muslim beliefs. Sometimes faith is a secondary or tertiary consideration if it's a consideration at all, as all evidence seemed to indicate at the time you passed judgment on the guy and Islam. That has perhaps changed a bit in the past few days, although it's still far from a certainty, but you couldn't have possibly known that when you were busy jumping the gun back last Friday.
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