> USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
Give it a rest. No one ever said this guy isn't a terrorist or doing this for religious reasons. Everyone correctly pointed out that people should claiming he is until we know what happened. Strangely enough, many of the same people who weren't a big fan of jumping to conclusions in the Duke rape case. Okay, I'm using the Duke case as an example, but I agree that conclusions should not have been jumped to in EITHER case. See... consistency, that's what you need if you want credibility.
>They say he graduated from Virginia Tech. I wonder if he was in the corps?
>Why was he even in the armed forces? Did we pay for his education and >he was fulfilling a commitment?
Yes. The msnbc article I read last night said he had attended an (the?) Army Medical School. -- "...you know, it seems to me you suffer from the problem of wanting a tailored fit in an off the rack world." Dennis Juds
> > USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
> Give it a rest. No one ever said this guy isn't a terrorist or doing > this for religious reasons. Everyone correctly pointed out that people > should claiming he is until we know what happened. > Strangely enough, many of the same people who weren't a big fan of > jumping to conclusions in the Duke rape case. > Okay, I'm using the Duke case as an example, but I agree that > conclusions should not have been jumped to in EITHER case. > See... consistency, that's what you need if you want credibility.
> USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he had fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and familiar to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal point in the development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his deployment and his failure to get released from the service would both appear to be much higher on the causal list.
> > USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
> If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a > bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
> Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only > tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he > had fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and > familiar to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal > point in the development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his deployment > and his failure to get released from the service would both appear to be > much higher on the causal list.
From what I read and/or saw today on cable, he wanted out of the Army and even offered to pay back the Army's expenses in paying for his medical education, but the Army still refused. So your idle speculation (be prepared to be put on Slick's List) may turn out to be pretty accurate.
> On Nov 6, 4:14 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote: >> Jim Brown sent the following on 11/6/2009 8:18 AM:
>>> On Nov 6, 8:15 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote: >>>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-05-Fort-Hood_N.htm?csp=34 >>> USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card. >> If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a >> bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
>> Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only >> tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he >> had fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and >> familiar to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal >> point in the development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his deployment >> and his failure to get released from the service would both appear to be >> much higher on the causal list.
> From what I read and/or saw today on cable, he wanted out of the > Army and even offered to pay back the Army's expenses in paying for > his medical education, but the Army still refused.
Yep. And while it certainly doesn't justify his actions, it would seem to take it out of the simplistic "because he was Muslim" realm.
>> USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
> If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a > bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
> Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only > tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he > had fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and > familiar to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal > point in the development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his > deployment and his failure to get released from the service would > both appear to be much higher on the causal list.
Sure it was. He was also on probation, as an officer, that's not good, he constantly got poor officer evals, he was treading on thin ice, so they prolly shipped his ass outta there and let some else frag him, err I mean consel him in Afgan.
>> USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
>If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a >bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
I should hope not.
"Father, forgive me." would indicate that the person knew that what they were doing was wrong.
>Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only >tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he >had fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and >familiar to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal >point in the development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his deployment >and his failure to get released from the service would both appear to be >much higher on the causal list.
What about the support for suicide bombers? -- "Many receive advice, few profit by it." Publius Syrus
> > > USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
> > Give it a rest. No one ever said this guy isn't a terrorist or doing > > this for religious reasons. Everyone correctly pointed out that people > > should claiming he is until we know what happened. > > Strangely enough, many of the same people who weren't a big fan of > > jumping to conclusions in the Duke rape case. > > Okay, I'm using the Duke case as an example, but I agree that > > conclusions should not have been jumped to in EITHER case. > > See... consistency, that's what you need if you want credibility.
> Different evidence up front.
> Words out of mouth. > Bullets out of gun.
> vs.
> Allegations.
> -- > Michael Press
Allegations are proof of a crime and saying god is good in whatever language that is and shooting people is not evidence that the people were shot because the man is a religious extremist.
No one is saying he didn't shoot people or shout whatever he shouted just like no one said that chick didn't allege rape.
> USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
Give it a rest. No one ever said this guy isn't a terrorist or doing this for religious reasons. Everyone correctly pointed out that people should claiming he is until we know what happened. Strangely enough, many of the same people who weren't a big fan of jumping to conclusions in the Duke rape case. Okay, I'm using the Duke case as an example, but I agree that conclusions should not have been jumped to in EITHER case. See... consistency, that's what you need if you want credibility.
There were no insane hateful Muslims in the Duke case, just a pattern of liberal racist hate waiting for an excuse to explode..
> Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only > tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he had > fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and familiar > to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal point in the > development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his deployment and his > failure to get released from the service would both appear to be much > higher on the causal list.
On Nov 6, 6:14 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
> If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a > bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
> Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only > tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he > had fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and > familiar to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal > point in the development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his deployment > and his failure to get released from the service would both appear to be > much higher on the causal list.
I disagree. He supported violence specifically directed at non- Muslims, "infidels", prior to these murders. He did not want to be deployed because he felt he was on the wrong side.
On Nov 6, 6:53 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Huck Kennedy sent the following on 11/6/2009 5:29 PM: > > From what I read and/or saw today on cable, he wanted out of the > > Army and even offered to pay back the Army's expenses in paying for > > his medical education, but the Army still refused. > Yep. And while it certainly doesn't justify his actions, it would seem > to take it out of the simplistic "because he was Muslim" realm.
Well done. You've successfully knocked-down an argument nobody made.
I'm going to go on record as stating he didn't do it because he was from Mars.
> > USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card. > If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a > bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
Are you new around here?
A Catholic complaining about a TV program results in "Christian- bashing." I think a mass murder would get some people's attention.
> > USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
> If he had been a Christian who yelled, "Father, forgive me," would a > bunch of Christian-bashing have followed?
> Again, my early take on this is that the guy cracked for reasons only > tangentially related to his faith, and when, in that final moment, he > had fallen into the abyss, he fell back on something comfortable and > familiar to him. But I'm not at all convinced that Islam was a focal > point in the development of this. *A* factor, sure. But his deployment > and his failure to get released from the service would both appear to be > much higher on the causal list.
How long does it take one to crack? The way people talk it's like he was fine one minute then just went nuts the next.
Is the story that he cleaned out his apartment (possessions) before shooting correct? Did he buy the guns/ammo ten minutes before the shooting spree? what if they find a lot of nut job internet posts that took place for months?
> > USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
> Give it a rest. No one ever said this guy isn't a terrorist or doing > this for religious reasons. Everyone correctly pointed out that people > should claiming he is until we know what happened. > Strangely enough, many of the same people who weren't a big fan of > jumping to conclusions in the Duke rape case. > Okay, I'm using the Duke case as an example, but I agree that > conclusions should not have been jumped to in EITHER case. > See... consistency, that's what you need if you want credibility.
Stick it up your ass. I'm just giving shit to the hypocrites who pretended they didnt even think of the possiblity of the Muslim religion being involved when they heard the guys name. At least Mopar has the balls to speak his mind and not hide behind PC terminology.
Speculating is America's forte'. Unless it might offend a Muslim I guess.
Some dued wrote: > On Nov 6, 4:58 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> In article >> <cd9d33d8-ebfb-4aca-b9b4-91e679338...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, >> Some dued <theodorew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 8:18 am, Jim Brown <jimbrown...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Nov 6, 8:15 am, Ike <I...@SHAEF.net> wrote: >>>>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-05-Fort-Hood_N.htm?csp=34 >>>> USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card. >>> Give it a rest. No one ever said this guy isn't a terrorist or doing >>> this for religious reasons. Everyone correctly pointed out that people >>> should claiming he is until we know what happened. >>> Strangely enough, many of the same people who weren't a big fan of >>> jumping to conclusions in the Duke rape case. >>> Okay, I'm using the Duke case as an example, but I agree that >>> conclusions should not have been jumped to in EITHER case. >>> See... consistency, that's what you need if you want credibility. >> Different evidence up front.
>> Words out of mouth. >> Bullets out of gun.
>> vs.
>> Allegations.
>> -- >> Michael Press
> Allegations are proof of a crime and saying god is good in whatever > language that is and shooting people is not evidence that the people > were shot because the man is a religious extremist.
> No one is saying he didn't shoot people or shout whatever he shouted > just like no one said that chick didn't allege rape.
The difference here being that nobody raped her, but he DID shoot the guns at people.
> > > USA Today is just showing their Muslim hatred by playing this card.
> > Give it a rest. No one ever said this guy isn't a terrorist or doing > > this for religious reasons. Everyone correctly pointed out that people > > should claiming he is until we know what happened. > > Strangely enough, many of the same people who weren't a big fan of > > jumping to conclusions in the Duke rape case. > > Okay, I'm using the Duke case as an example, but I agree that > > conclusions should not have been jumped to in EITHER case. > > See... consistency, that's what you need if you want credibility.
> Stick it up your ass. I'm just giving shit to the hypocrites who > pretended they didnt even think of the possiblity of the Muslim > religion being involved when they heard the guys name. At least Mopar > has the balls to speak his mind and not hide behind PC terminology.
> Speculating is America's forte'. Unless it might offend a Muslim I > guess.
Nobody pretended there was no possibility of blahblahblah. You are a liar, all anyone on here said is stop acting like you know what happened before you know what happened. So open your eyes and look around and you might actually see something and not have to imagine the world around you.
Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e4b38d49-ca2b-42f1-aadd- eba507b47...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 6, 6:53 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote: >> Huck Kennedy sent the following on 11/6/2009 5:29 PM:
>> > From what I read and/or saw today on cable, he wanted out of > the >> > Army and even offered to pay back the Army's expenses in paying for >> > his medical education, but the Army still refused.
>> Yep. And while it certainly doesn't justify his actions, it would seem >> to take it out of the simplistic "because he was Muslim" realm.
> Well done. You've successfully knocked-down an argument nobody made.
Nobody?
You haven't heard anyone, anywhere - say he did this because he was Muslim?
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