> the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. > >>> - > >>> C The Shocker > >>> Quack! > >> The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > >> group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > >> code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > >> through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > >> quite a bit of evil in the world.
> > I would add the caveat, "...assuming that the code/rules/dogma impose/ > > require something evil".
> > For example, the dogma of Christianity is this:
> > Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. > > Love your neighbor as yourself.
<e...@eio.com> wrote: >"J. Hugh Sullivan" <Ea...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>>>I thought it was "the love of money"....
>>>Could it be that belief in a God =3D love of money?
>>>That would be the logical conclusion if they are both the root of >>>evil. Hmmm...
>> Seems to me like when this country openly professed a belief in God we >> did very well. It's only when we started trying to prevent that belief >> that we have foundered.
>> But, of course, that is just coincidence.
>They were making that argument back in the sixties when >only large companies had computers, and then in the 70's >when only the rich had "car phones", and then in the 80's >when only universities had decent internet access...
>--Tedward
And your point is that we are foundering now more than ever.
> On Nov 6, 7:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
> > > - > > > C The Shocker > > > Quack!
> > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > quite a bit of evil in the world. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, > > Envy, and Pride produce the rest.
> I'd remove spirituality and replace it with ideology given that in the > past hundred years, secular movements have killed far more than all > the religious movements combined.
This is a valid point, especially in our country. However we like to use the title of a religion while we practice something else completely.
On Nov 6, 11:06 am, dam <dave.mel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 10:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
> > - > > C The Shocker > > Quack!
> Which god? One of the myriad deities that mankind has cast aside as > they grew more enlightened? Or the christian one? Or the Muslim one? > Or the Hindu One? ad nauseum. And BTW, welcome to the club.
Well, since America is a Christian Country as dictated by the Founding Fathers, then Jesus is the only way to go, and all others be dambed.
Unless there is political reason to not go that way in which case you follow "Judeo-Christian Principals" even if you believe as a Christian that Jews are damned to hell.
> On Nov 6, 11:06 am, dam <dave.mel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Nov 6, 10:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. >>> - >>> C The Shocker >>> Quack!
>> Which god? One of the myriad deities that mankind has cast aside as >> they grew more enlightened? Or the christian one? Or the Muslim one? >> Or the Hindu One? ad nauseum. And BTW, welcome to the club.
> Well, since America is a Christian Country as dictated by the Founding > Fathers, then Jesus is the only way to go, and all others be > dambed.
> Unless there is political reason to not go that way in which case you > follow "Judeo-Christian Principals" even if you believe as a > Christian that Jews are damned to hell.
> On Nov 6, 11:06 am, dam <dave.mel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 10:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
> > > - > > > C The Shocker > > > Quack!
> > Which god? One of the myriad deities that mankind has cast aside as > > they grew more enlightened? Or the christian one? Or the Muslim one? > > Or the Hindu One? ad nauseum. And BTW, welcome to the club.
> Well, since America is a Christian Country as dictated by the Founding > Fathers
>>>>Could it be that belief in a God =3D love of money?
>>>>That would be the logical conclusion if they are both the root of >>>>evil. Hmmm...
>>> Seems to me like when this country openly professed a belief in God we >>> did very well. It's only when we started trying to prevent that belief >>> that we have foundered.
>>> But, of course, that is just coincidence.
>>They were making that argument back in the sixties when >>only large companies had computers, and then in the 70's >>when only the rich had "car phones", and then in the 80's >>when only universities had decent internet access...
>>--Tedward
> And your point is that we are foundering now more than ever.
No, it's that I forgot having a conversation with you is pointless.
<DanUNDERSCOREgoesHEREslaugh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Jaybyrd, I've never been so impressed by your ability put all the words > together as I was on 11/6/2009 in saying:
> > On Nov 6, 11:06 am, dam <dave.mel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 6, 10:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. > >>> - > >>> C The Shocker > >>> Quack!
> >> Which god? One of the myriad deities that mankind has cast aside as > >> they grew more enlightened? Or the christian one? Or the Muslim one? > >> Or the Hindu One? ad nauseum. And BTW, welcome to the club.
> > Well, since America is a Christian Country as dictated by the Founding > > Fathers, then Jesus is the only way to go, and all others be > > dambed.
> > Unless there is political reason to not go that way in which case you > > follow "Judeo-Christian Principals" even if you believe as a > > Christian that Jews are damned to hell.
> Wow. Even I'm at a loss on that.
> Who said anything about America?-
Isn't America chosen to lead the work to Jesus and Democracy?
> On Nov 6, 5:34 pm, DanS. > <DanUNDERSCOREgoesHEREslaugh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Jaybyrd, I've never been so impressed by your ability put all the words >> together as I was on 11/6/2009 in saying:
>>> On Nov 6, 11:06 am, dam <dave.mel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Nov 6, 10:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. >>>>> - >>>>> C The Shocker >>>>> Quack!
>>>> Which god? One of the myriad deities that mankind has cast aside as >>>> they grew more enlightened? Or the christian one? Or the Muslim one? >>>> Or the Hindu One? ad nauseum. And BTW, welcome to the club. >>> Well, since America is a Christian Country as dictated by the Founding >>> Fathers, then Jesus is the only way to go, and all others be >>> dambed.
>>> Unless there is political reason to not go that way in which case you >>> follow "Judeo-Christian Principals" even if you believe as a >>> Christian that Jews are damned to hell.
>> Wow. Even I'm at a loss on that.
>> Who said anything about America?-
> Isn't America chosen to lead the work to Jesus and Democracy?
If you're a believer, it'd be your job to make it so. But, the original question had only to do with God. His credential don't say, WASP Male American ... last I checked.
<DanUNDERSCOREgoesHEREslaugh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Jaybyrd, I've never been so impressed by your ability put all the words > together as I was on 11/6/2009 in saying:
> > On Nov 6, 5:34 pm, DanS. > > <DanUNDERSCOREgoesHEREslaugh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Jaybyrd, I've never been so impressed by your ability put all the words > >> together as I was on 11/6/2009 in saying:
> >>> On Nov 6, 11:06 am, dam <dave.mel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Nov 6, 10:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote: > >>>>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. > >>>>> - > >>>>> C The Shocker > >>>>> Quack!
> >>>> Which god? One of the myriad deities that mankind has cast aside as > >>>> they grew more enlightened? Or the christian one? Or the Muslim one? > >>>> Or the Hindu One? ad nauseum. And BTW, welcome to the club. > >>> Well, since America is a Christian Country as dictated by the Founding > >>> Fathers, then Jesus is the only way to go, and all others be > >>> dambed.
> >>> Unless there is political reason to not go that way in which case you > >>> follow "Judeo-Christian Principals" even if you believe as a > >>> Christian that Jews are damned to hell.
> >> Wow. Even I'm at a loss on that.
> >> Who said anything about America?-
> > Isn't America chosen to lead the work to Jesus and Democracy?
> If you're a believer, it'd be your job to make it so. But, the > original question had only to do with God. His credential don't say, > WASP Male American ... last I checked.
"the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
> > > - > > > C The Shocker > > > Quack!
> > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > quite a bit of evil in the world.
> I would add the caveat, "...assuming that the code/rules/dogma impose/ > require something evil".
> For example, the dogma of Christianity is this:
> Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. > Love your neighbor as yourself.
the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Nov 6, 12:27 pm, "Randolph M. Jones" <rjo...@soartech.com> wrote: >> the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. >>>>> - >>>>> C The Shocker >>>>> Quack! >>>> The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one >>>> group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the >>>> code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either >>>> through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces >>>> quite a bit of evil in the world. >>> I would add the caveat, "...assuming that the code/rules/dogma impose/ >>> require something evil". >>> For example, the dogma of Christianity is this: >>> Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. >>> Love your neighbor as yourself. >>> a. >> ...plus a few other things.
> the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Nov 6, 12:27 pm, "Randolph M. Jones" <rjo...@soartech.com> wrote: > >> the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com wrote: > >>> On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote: > >>>>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. > >>>>> - > >>>>> C The Shocker > >>>>> Quack! > >>>> The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > >>>> group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > >>>> code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > >>>> through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > >>>> quite a bit of evil in the world. > >>> I would add the caveat, "...assuming that the code/rules/dogma impose/ > >>> require something evil". > >>> For example, the dogma of Christianity is this: > >>> Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. > >>> Love your neighbor as yourself. > >>> a. > >> ...plus a few other things.
"the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 11:49 am, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote: > > Tom Enright wrote: > > > On Nov 6, 11:35 am, "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" > > > <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote: > > >>>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. > > >>>> - > > >>>> C The Shocker > > >>>> Quack! > > >>> The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > >>> group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > >>> code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > >>> through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > >>> quite a bit of evil in the world.
> > >> I would add the caveat, "...assuming that the code/rules/dogma impose/ > > >> require something evil".
> > >> For example, the dogma of Christianity is this:
> > >> Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. > > >> Love your neighbor as yourself.
> > > You do know what the reply to this is going to be, don't you?
> > > -Tom Enright
> > >> a.
> > "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"!!!!@!
> my church has a fall festival* and one of the kids working there was > dressed up like the monty python spanish inquisitioners.
> a.
> *fall festival is a protestant phrase meaning halloween party
Since the MP members wore period correct garb how were you to know it was MP? Did he (she?) brandish a soft pillow?
Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 12:50 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > On Nov 6, 7:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
> > > > - > > > > C The Shocker > > > > Quack!
> > > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > > quite a bit of evil in the world. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, > > > Envy, and Pride produce the rest.
> > I'd remove spirituality and replace it with ideology given that in the > > past hundred years, secular movements have killed far more than all > > the religious movements combined.
> This is a valid point, especially in our country.
> In article > <c10f4ab7-0907-4fa5-a3fa-512bafd2e...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
> Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Nov 6, 12:50 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 6, 7:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > > That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
> > > > > - > > > > > C The Shocker > > > > > Quack!
> > > > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > > > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > > > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > > > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > > > quite a bit of evil in the world. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, > > > > Envy, and Pride produce the rest.
> > > I'd remove spirituality and replace it with ideology given that in the > > > past hundred years, secular movements have killed far more than all > > > the religious movements combined.
> > This is a valid point, especially in our country.
> > > > > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > > > > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > > > > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > > > > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > > > > quite a bit of evil in the world. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, > > > > > Envy, and Pride produce the rest.
> > > > I'd remove spirituality and replace it with ideology given that in the > > > > past hundred years, secular movements have killed far more than all > > > > the religious movements combined.
> > > This is a valid point, especially in our country.
> > Which is your country? Soviet Russia? Cambodia?
> > > > > > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > > > > > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > > > > > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > > > > > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > > > > > quite a bit of evil in the world. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, > > > > > > Envy, and Pride produce the rest.
> > > > > I'd remove spirituality and replace it with ideology given that in the > > > > > past hundred years, secular movements have killed far more than all > > > > > the religious movements combined.
> > > > This is a valid point, especially in our country.
> > > Which is your country? Soviet Russia? Cambodia?
> > > > > > > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > > > > > > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > > > > > > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > > > > > > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > > > > > > quite a bit of evil in the world. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, > > > > > > > Envy, and Pride produce the rest.
> > > > > > I'd remove spirituality and replace it with ideology given that in the > > > > > > past hundred years, secular movements have killed far more than all > > > > > > the religious movements combined.
> > > > > This is a valid point, especially in our country.
> > > > Which is your country? Soviet Russia? Cambodia?
<e...@eio.com> wrote: >"J. Hugh Sullivan" <Ea...@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>>>>I thought it was "the love of money"....
>>>>>Could it be that belief in a God =3D love of money?
>>>>>That would be the logical conclusion if they are both the root of >>>>>evil. Hmmm...
>>>> Seems to me like when this country openly professed a belief in God we >>>> did very well. It's only when we started trying to prevent that belief >>>> that we have foundered.
>>>> But, of course, that is just coincidence.
>>>They were making that argument back in the sixties when >>>only large companies had computers, and then in the 70's >>>when only the rich had "car phones", and then in the 80's >>>when only universities had decent internet access...
>>>--Tedward
>> And your point is that we are foundering now more than ever.
>No, it's that I forgot having a conversation with you is pointless.
>--Tedward
Not really. You just didn't know how to make a point so I pointed your point out for you. How much more help do you need?
> In article > <3430805d-4338-48df-868f-20010bc56...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Nov 6, 11:49 am, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote: > > > Tom Enright wrote: > > > > On Nov 6, 11:35 am, "the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com" > > > > <the_andrew_sm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >>>> That is the conclusion that I am coming to. > > > >>>> - > > > >>>> C The Shocker > > > >>>> Quack! > > > >>> The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one > > > >>> group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the > > > >>> code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either > > > >>> through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces > > > >>> quite a bit of evil in the world.
> > > >> I would add the caveat, "...assuming that the code/rules/dogma impose/ > > > >> require something evil".
> > > >> For example, the dogma of Christianity is this:
> > > >> Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. > > > >> Love your neighbor as yourself.
> > > > You do know what the reply to this is going to be, don't you?
> > > > -Tom Enright
> > > >> a.
> > > "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"!!!!@!
> > my church has a fall festival* and one of the kids working there was > > dressed up like the monty python spanish inquisitioners.
> > a.
> > *fall festival is a protestant phrase meaning halloween party
> Since the MP members wore period correct garb > how were you to know it was MP? Did he (she?) > brandish a soft pillow?
In uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 10:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote: >> That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
>> - >> C The Shocker >> Quack!
> Elaborate.
> Are modern values not based off of religion(s)?
Like I told you in that other discussion about scientists, things look to be based off religions because that was the norm. You couldn't be an atheis scientist or ruler before the 20th century, because the society quite literally forbade it.
A lot of things in our morality and ethics that we hold important actually go against the reading of sacred texts (Like the Bible or the Koran). And the same values can be found it most societies, across the globe, with very different books.
I have to agree with Dawkins and Hitchens that things like ethics and morality have evolved out of necessity of an society based on interaction and communication. They have been dressed in the clothes of religion, but they are just as necessary for a working society if the religion is completely taken from the equation.
-- /jussi Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. * Victor Stenger
> On Nov 6, 12:50 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote: >> On Nov 6, 7:59 am, Mercellus Bohren <mercell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 6, 9:40 am, C The Shocker <pdxch...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > > That is the conclusion that I am coming to.
>> > > - >> > > C The Shocker >> > > Quack!
>> > The belief in God is not inherently evil. A fanatical belief in one >> > group's (or person's) interpretation of spirituality, along with the >> > code and rules that group's dogma imposes on the follower (either >> > through strict interpretation or through mental illness), produces >> > quite a bit of evil in the world. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, >> > Envy, and Pride produce the rest.
>> I'd remove spirituality and replace it with ideology given that in the >> past hundred years, secular movements have killed far more than all >> the religious movements combined.
> This is a valid point, especially in our country. However we like to > use the title of a religion while we practice something else > completely.
Religion IS ideology - it's just a particular subset of the superset that is ideology.
|
