On Nov 3, 5:25 pm, "tom_sawye...@yahoo.com" <tom_sawye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 12:46 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> Why is this so complicated for you???
it's not...see below....
> I'd like one, concise, itemized, clearly explained bill for what I > received and what I am to pay.
great....but would you be willing to pay 510% more for it(or woudl your employer be willing to?)
Why is this so difficult for the "god-
> complex" doctors to figure out?
e dont give a ****......we would like to not expand costs, thats why we dont go with another level of paperwork.......
Supposedly they've had years of
> training and are smarter than the rest of us, so why can the local > mechanic, grocer, restaurant or any service-provider present a single > bill and yet the medical community cannot?
because a urologist and a general surgeon and an internist dont do the same thing and arent trained to do the same thing...sorry!
I don't get a bill from
> the maitre'd, the chef, the waitstaff, etc.
because that would be less efficient.....likewise it would be less efficient for your urologist, internist, and general surgeon to have a powwow with the hospital and combine the bills......jesus......
> Which brings up another point when you consider the amount that goes > into computer systems and other technology within the field. No > additional administrative costs (actually less), electronic > communications to the insurance and any other billing entities and > groups, etc., is all automated at a reduced cost than in the past. > Yet we hear these so-called intelligent people ... "I can't figure it > out, it'll cost more, it'll make things more complicated, blah, blah, > blah."
> But maybe you've hit on something. The system is expensive because in > your own words, they cannot get their sh*t together and apparently > have *no idea* how to get it together.
no. they can and they do.
Like I said....If a few years from now you guys want to pay 10% more to have a "single bill".....I dont give a ****....I get paid either way....
so figure it out for yourselfs...Im just trying to educate you on the reality and details....
> On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > the hospital!
> > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > about that to understand?
I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > the hospital!
> > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > about that to understand?
> I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > services overlap.
please explain to me how much the "service" of a neurology consult overlaps with the internists bill to insurance....
Im waiting for this exciting explanation.....
You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > the hospital!
> > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > about that to understand?
> I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you twice.
Yes an anesthesiologist tried to do this to us....even providing proof to these fuckers like a canceled check is too difficult for them to figure out.
> On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > about that to understand?
> > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > twice.
well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......
> On Nov 3, 2:11 pm, Chris Mihos <cmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 1:46 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 1:08 pm, Chris Mihos <cmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 12:46 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > I'd like to see them have sales and discounts and weekly ads in the > > > > newspaper.
> > > > IT'S LABOR DAY! C-SECTIONS HALF OFF!!
> > > > or
> > > > ALL APPENDIXES MUST GO! LIMITED TIME OFFER!!!
> > > > or
> > > > buy a new kidney from us and we'll install it ABSOLUTELY FREE!
> > > > or how about a rewards program? three visits to the emergency room > > > > gets you one free visit in the future.
> > > > i think these kinds of ideas could get some traction....
> > > ummm...thats not the way we play the game......
On Nov 3, 5:38 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> it's not...see below....
Great ... maybe something sensible will be written.
> great....but would you be willing to pay 510% more for it(or woudl > your employer be willing to?)
Why? Computer systems with external access are practically in every medical facility in the country, even the local doctor's offices. Why would combining 5 bills to one sheet of paper result in an increase of 510%?
My mechanic, grocer, bank, florist, lawyer, accountant, newspaper boy, retail outlet, etc. ... just about every service and commodity provider I associated with does not have this problem.
> e dont give a ****......we would like to not expand costs, thats why > we dont go with another level of paperwork.......
You don't need more paper. It's electronic ... just like this internet-thingy you're posting on is. You didn't get billed 510% more to post to usenet by your ISP, right? They didn't give you some sob story about how complicated it might be to provide access.
> because a urologist and a general surgeon and an internist dont do the > same thing and arent trained to do the same thing...sorry!
Sorry about what? You're the one confused. I'd hope they didn't do the same thing, but then neither do the waiter, chef and dishwasher, but the restaurant doesn't bill individually for them, or their produce supplier, or their butcher, etc.
> because that would be less efficient.....likewise it would be less > efficient for your urologist, internist, and general surgeon to have a > powwow with the hospital and combine the bills......jesus......
What powow? They simply submit their fee ... just like vendors do with credit cards to your bank. Or are you saying that these intellects can't figure out how to send something electronically that will save them time (and thus, money) and allow them to take on more patients?
> no. they can and they do.
> Like I said....If a few years from now you guys want to pay 10% more > to have a "single bill".....I dont give a ****....I get paid either > way....
Well, you probably will get paid less. But why 10% overhead? Or was it 510% a few paragraphs ago? You're talking out of your ass again.
> so figure it out for yourselfs...Im just trying to educate you on the > reality and details....
The reality is that it's standard practice for insurance companies to confuse, overbill and try to sucker people into paying more than they should. The system is complex because it benefits the entire chain ... from the individual bills, to the hospital bills, to the insurance statements to the duplicate statements, etc.
My son was in the ER a few years ago and we were billed multiple times for the same thing. I anticipated it, so kept every record. It's not a surprise that virtually every service-oriented company can get this right but the medical field, and they're supposedly the brightest ... and they've done a great job, just look at their profits and the homes that many doctors and specialists live in.
>On Nov 3, 5:02 pm, "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), mianderson >> <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> >> >wrote: >> >> On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so >> >> > I'll just respond here....
>> >> > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have >> >> > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you >> >> > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the >> >> > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general >> >> > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
>> >> > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate >> >> > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from >> >> > the hospital!
>> >> > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
>> >> What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital? >> >because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!!
>> This prevents them from using a unified billing service because... WHY?
>ummmm....if patients want to pay for a bunch of "go betweens" for the >providers and inpatient service.....fine with me. I dont give a >****. But it would cost a little extra for the same service.
We want *one* "go between" - that is it.
You assert a lot but you never explain the logic behind your assertions.
>> >What is hard about that to understand?
-- "Oh now feel it comin' back again Like a rollin' thunder chasing the wind Forces pullin' from the center of the earth again I can feel it." - Ed Kowalczyk,Chad Taylor,Patrick Dahlheimer & Chad Gracey
>On Nov 3, 5:05 pm, "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:39:17 -0800 (PST), mianderson <clay...@excite.com> >> wrote: >> >On Nov 3, 2:35 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so >> >> > > > I'll just respond here....
>> >> > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have >> >> > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you >> >> > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the >> >> > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general >> >> > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
>> >> > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate >> >> > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from >> >> > > > the hospital!
>> >> > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
>> >> > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
>> >> > more administrative/office costs is what is wrong with it......you'd >> >> > have massive paperwork issues between hospitals and providers if you >> >> > wanted that.......
>> >> It would cut down on doctors/anesthesiologist/etc administrative costs >> >> and they in turn could pass the savings on to the hospital.
>> >so adding one more level of administrative/clerical costs would pass >> >on savings? Interesting......
>> No. It would cut out a level of administrative and clerical work.
>how? How would my mom's anesthes. billing through the hospital(and >then the hosp) incorporating that cut out things? Seems to me it >would add 1 extra step......
Nooooooo....
>> The Mayo Clinic makes this model work and it is one of the best, if not >> THE best hospitals in the world.
>ummm yeah......the mayo clinic(in minn at least) is a brilliant >example of the kind fo health care reform we need....because every >small clinic gets 9 figures in funding a year and is a tertiary care >center.......jesus......
Which has nothing to do with the paperwork side, but I digress... -- "It's déjà vu all over again." - Yogi Berra after Mantle & Maris had gone back-to-back for the umpteenth time
> On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > about that to understand?
> > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > twice.
> well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......
I don't hate anesthesiologists or doctors. I'm not a big fan of how the medical system in this country is run though....and your analogy sucks because when I provided proof of payment they continued to send me notifications that I hadn't paid them yet....including threats to send me to collection. How much more proof do I need to show before they stop harassing me?
When my son was born the hospital billed me for a procedure because of a hospital fuckup (putting a procedure my wife had done in my son's name) that was supposed to be covered by insurance. The hospital even contacted them about it on our behalf (I could get nowhere with them) and the insurance company would not fucking pay it. Guess who paid for the hospital's fuckup?
> On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > about that to understand?
> > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > twice.
> well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......- Hide quoted text -
Disculpa Senora mianderson, pero did you really mime the following on 11/3/2009 12:46 PM???
> earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > I'll just respond here....
> my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > the hospital!
> I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
Holy CARP!
Mia is really on a roll here today. He's putting St. Peter to shame.
> On Nov 3, 4:52 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > > about that to understand?
> > > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > > twice.
> > well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> > I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......
> I don't hate anesthesiologists or doctors. I'm not a big fan of how > the medical system in this country is run though....and your analogy > sucks because when I provided proof of payment they continued to send > me notifications that I hadn't paid them yet....
well did you or didnt you? If you did sorry....mistakes happen....
including threats to
> send me to collection. How much more proof do I need to show before > they stop harassing me?
> When my son was born the hospital billed me for a procedure because of > a hospital fuckup (putting a procedure my wife had done in my son's > name) that was supposed to be covered by insurance. The hospital even > contacted them about it on our behalf (I could get nowhere with them) > and the insurance company would not fucking pay it. Guess who paid > for the hospital's fuckup?
mistakes happen dude.....if you want to have your kids somewhere else (if you actualy feel the care is more effiicient/better there for your family I encourage you to do it)....if not, stop complaining....
> On Nov 3, 5:52 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > > about that to understand?
> > > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > > twice.
> > well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> > I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......- Hide quoted text -
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:11:08 -0800 (PST), mianderson <clay...@excite.com> > wrote:
> >On Nov 3, 5:02 pm, "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), mianderson > >> <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > >> >wrote: > >> >> On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > >> >> > I'll just respond here....
> >> >> > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > >> >> > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > >> >> > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > >> >> > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > >> >> > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> >> >> > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > >> >> > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > >> >> > the hospital!
> >> >> > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> >> >> What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital? > >> >because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!!
> >> This prevents them from using a unified billing service because... WHY?
> >ummmm....if patients want to pay for a bunch of "go betweens" for the > >providers and inpatient service.....fine with me. I dont give a > >****. But it would cost a little extra for the same service.
> We want *one* "go between" - that is it.
1 go between is more expensive than none.........why pay 3500 for a quick procedure when you could by 2800....makes no sense to me, but whatever.......
> You assert a lot but you never explain the logic behind your assertions.
> >> >What is hard about that to understand?
> -- > "Oh now feel it comin' back again > Like a rollin' thunder chasing the wind > Forces pullin' from the center of the earth again > I can feel it." > - Ed Kowalczyk,Chad Taylor,Patrick Dahlheimer > & Chad Gracey- Hide quoted text -
> On Nov 3, 6:53 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 4:52 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > > > about that to understand?
> > > > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > > > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > > > twice.
> > > well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> > > I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > > > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > > > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......
> > I don't hate anesthesiologists or doctors. I'm not a big fan of how > > the medical system in this country is run though....and your analogy > > sucks because when I provided proof of payment they continued to send > > me notifications that I hadn't paid them yet....
> well did you or didnt you? If you did sorry....mistakes happen....
> including threats to
> > send me to collection. How much more proof do I need to show before > > they stop harassing me?
> > When my son was born the hospital billed me for a procedure because of > > a hospital fuckup (putting a procedure my wife had done in my son's > > name) that was supposed to be covered by insurance. The hospital even > > contacted them about it on our behalf (I could get nowhere with them) > > and the insurance company would not fucking pay it. Guess who paid > > for the hospital's fuckup?
> mistakes happen dude.....if you want to have your kids somewhere else > (if you actualy feel the care is more effiicient/better there for your > family I encourage you to do it)....if not, stop complaining....
> On Nov 3, 8:42 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 6:53 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 4:52 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > > > > about that to understand?
> > > > > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > > > > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > > > > twice.
> > > > well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> > > > I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > > > > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > > > > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......
> > > I don't hate anesthesiologists or doctors. I'm not a big fan of how > > > the medical system in this country is run though....and your analogy > > > sucks because when I provided proof of payment they continued to send > > > me notifications that I hadn't paid them yet....
> > well did you or didnt you? If you did sorry....mistakes happen....
> > including threats to
> > > send me to collection. How much more proof do I need to show before > > > they stop harassing me?
> > > When my son was born the hospital billed me for a procedure because of > > > a hospital fuckup (putting a procedure my wife had done in my son's > > > name) that was supposed to be covered by insurance. The hospital even > > > contacted them about it on our behalf (I could get nowhere with them) > > > and the insurance company would not fucking pay it. Guess who paid > > > for the hospital's fuckup?
> > mistakes happen dude.....if you want to have your kids somewhere else > > (if you actualy feel the care is more effiicient/better there for your > > family I encourage you to do it)....if not, stop complaining....
> This is too fucking stupid for a response.
reality is too stupid for a response? Im sorry if you dont like the obgyn centers around the area you live, but again....thats not an issue I particularly care about, so i am not interested in gong into some primary care/obgyn bs story.....
> On Nov 3, 9:47 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 8:42 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 6:53 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 4:52 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > > > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > > > > > about that to understand?
> > > > > > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > > > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > > > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > > > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > > > > > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > > > > > twice.
> > > > > well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> > > > > I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > > > > > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > > > > > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......
> > > > I don't hate anesthesiologists or doctors. I'm not a big fan of how > > > > the medical system in this country is run though....and your analogy > > > > sucks because when I provided proof of payment they continued to send > > > > me notifications that I hadn't paid them yet....
> > > well did you or didnt you? If you did sorry....mistakes happen....
> > > including threats to
> > > > send me to collection. How much more proof do I need to show before > > > > they stop harassing me?
> > > > When my son was born the hospital billed me for a procedure because of > > > > a hospital fuckup (putting a procedure my wife had done in my son's > > > > name) that was supposed to be covered by insurance. The hospital even > > > > contacted them about it on our behalf (I could get nowhere with them) > > > > and the insurance company would not fucking pay it. Guess who paid > > > > for the hospital's fuckup?
> > > mistakes happen dude.....if you want to have your kids somewhere else > > > (if you actualy feel the care is more effiicient/better there for your > > > family I encourage you to do it)....if not, stop complaining....
> > This is too fucking stupid for a response.
> reality is too stupid for a response? Im sorry if you dont like the > obgyn centers around the area you live, but again....thats not an > issue I particularly care about, so i am not interested in gong into > some primary care/obgyn bs story.....
Look, I know I've embarrassed (embaresed?) you on numerous occasions today, and you're hurt and angry about that, but you should probably stop posting for a while to save a sliver of your dignity.
<mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 3, 6:22 pm, "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:11:08 -0800 (PST), mianderson <clay...@excite.com> >> wrote: >> >On Nov 3, 5:02 pm, "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), mianderson >> >> <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so >> >> >> > I'll just respond here....
>> >> >> > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have >> >> >> > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you >> >> >> > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the >> >> >> > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general >> >> >> > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
>> >> >> > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate >> >> >> > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from >> >> >> > the hospital!
>> >> >> > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
>> >> >> What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital? >> >> >because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!!
>> >> This prevents them from using a unified billing service because... WHY?
>> >ummmm....if patients want to pay for a bunch of "go betweens" for the >> >providers and inpatient service.....fine with me. I dont give a >> >****. But it would cost a little extra for the same service.
>> We want *one* "go between" - that is it.
>1 go between is more expensive than none
There are no personnel in charge of billing in a doctor's office?
>.........why pay 3500 for a >quick procedure when you could by 2800....
Why would the price be any different than now?
You assert a lot but you never explain the logic behind your assertions.
>makes no sense to me, but whatever....... >> You assert a lot but you never explain the logic behind your assertions.
>> >> >What is hard about that to understand?
-- "Many receive advice, few profit by it." Publius Syrus
>>> I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I >>> checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt >>> make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> Did you get a separate bill just for parking?
> sure..next question?
Three weeks later, the minibar bill showed up.
The week after that, you got the one from the housekeepers - the same darn day you got billed by the lifeguard at the pool - and you didn't even *use* the @#$%in' pool!
It turns out that the hotel contracts a linen service, so it took two full months for that shit to arrive.
Much more efficient this way.
You have no defense. It's nice of you to play devil's advocate for the rest of us, though.
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:45:03 -0800 (PST), mianderson
> <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Nov 3, 6:22 pm, "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:11:08 -0800 (PST), mianderson <clay...@excite.com> > >> wrote: > >> >On Nov 3, 5:02 pm, "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), mianderson > >> >> <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > >> >> >> > I'll just respond here....
> >> >> >> > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > >> >> >> > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > >> >> >> > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > >> >> >> > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > >> >> >> > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> >> >> >> > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > >> >> >> > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > >> >> >> > the hospital!
> >> >> >> > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> >> >> >> What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital? > >> >> >because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!!
> >> >> This prevents them from using a unified billing service because... WHY?
> >> >ummmm....if patients want to pay for a bunch of "go betweens" for the > >> >providers and inpatient service.....fine with me. I dont give a > >> >****. But it would cost a little extra for the same service.
> >> We want *one* "go between" - that is it.
> >1 go between is more expensive than none
> There are no personnel in charge of billing in a doctor's office?
> >.........why pay 3500 for a > >quick procedure when you could by 2800....
> Why would the price be any different than now?
> You assert a lot but you never explain the logic behind your assertions.
You'll never get him to come to anything concrete. He does understand medicine but not the business of it.
> On Nov 3, 7:16 pm,BillyZoom<medav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 5:52 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 4:45 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 12:37 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:21 pm, Emperor Wonko the Sane <d...@sorensensdomain.net> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 11:46 am, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so > > > > > > > > I'll just respond here....
> > > > > > > > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have > > > > > > > > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you > > > > > > > > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the > > > > > > > > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general > > > > > > > > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
> > > > > > > > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate > > > > > > > > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from > > > > > > > > the hospital!
> > > > > > > > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
> > > > > > > What is wrong with one itemized bill from the hospital?
> > > > > > because the providers dont work for the hospital!!!! What is hard > > > > > > about that to understand?
> > > > > I do understand that. What you don't understand is that it doesn't > > > > > matter. Others have beaten this canard to death, so I won't again. > > > > > The primary benefit of separate bills is it hides how much the > > > > > services overlap. You also don't see the whole picture of the costs.
> > > > Plus with all those bills they can confuse you and try to bill you > > > > twice.
> > > well if they bill you twice thats wrong....plain and simple....
> > > I will billed wtwice for parking a few months ago by a marriot...I > > > checked my cc and called them and corrected it. done deal. it didnt > > > make me hate hotel chains forever...sheesh......- Hide quoted text -
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I guess I'll have to take your word for it. Semms kinda dumb, don't you think?
hey, mianderson <mianderso...@gmail.com>'s been through solid matter, for crying out loud. Who knows what's happened to his brain? Maybe it's scrambled his molecules...
>On Nov 3, 1:32 pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote: >> mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:24e1f018-4ad6-4f39- >> 9fa7-eb4c179de...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>> > earlier kyle(I think) posted a complaint about this I can't find....so >> > I'll just respond here....
>> > my question is wtf do you people want? If you go in for say to have >> > your gallbladder removed, how do you want them to bill? Would you >> > prefer not to have an anethesiologist? Would you prefer for the >> > anesthesiologist to perform the surgery instead of the general >> > surgeon? After all, that would cut down on the number of bills!
>> > Or would you prefer for the surgeon to come to your home and operate >> > on your bed? After all, that would cut out the inpatient bill from >> > the hospital!
>> > I mean you guys just arent making any sense here....
>> I'd prefer they all work for the hospital
>huh? That would make things more inefficient because then the gi guy >or cards guy or whatever would have to have 3 more office people to >separate inpatient from outpatient......
>> When you hire a general contractor to build you a house, you don't see >> bills from all his subcontractors.
>probably because the subcontractors didn't go to school and training >for a gazillion years either....
yeah... the guy framing your house has only been doing that kind of stuff since he was 14, when he helped his dad... that 25 year old "kid" has more experience than you will when you finish med school.
oh and that Journeyman electrician has oodles of hoops and time requirements on the Job before he/she can think about taking the test.
I really get pissed, when a Doctor glances at an X-ray and charges 500 bucks to" read" it.
>either way, your idea is more inefficient because it would involve an >elaborate administrative system between the hospital and the >providers.....
>> -- >> Aaron
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On Nov 4, 6:49 pm, Dennis J <drjud...@verizon.netSCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> yeah... the guy framing your house has only been doing that kind of > stuff since he was 14, when he helped his dad... that 25 year old > "kid" has more experience than you will when you finish med school.
but medicine is a more important job than putting shingles on a house.......sorry. it is.
> I really get pissed, when a Doctor glances at an X-ray and charges 500 > bucks to" read" it.
no doctor charges 500 dollars to read an xray....the reimbursment a radiologist gets(and in most cases the rads review on an xray is just a formality anyways) is a tiny fraction of that....the "reading" fee if you will.
You are probably confusing that with an mri or pet or whatever(and hell the reimbursement for an mri for rads isnt 500 either)....the reading fee I mean.
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