J.C. Watts Enslin wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2:44 pm, StephenJ <sjar
...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 11:25 am, "J.C. Watts Enslin" <jonens
...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 9:00 am, stephenJ <sjar...@pop.com> wrote:
>>>> J.C. Watts Enslin wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 4, 6:57 am, StephenJ <sjar...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 4, 6:28 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Tough.
>>>>>>> I'm agnostic on the issue. I don't get why their fighting toot and
>>>>>>> nail for the "label", provided they're getting rights (tax breaks,
>>>>>>> medical coverage, household recognitions, etc) it shouldn't be a
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, for most (not all) like Maggie Gallagher's marriage
>>>>>>> organization, I'm not buying the "we're just trying to protect
>>>>>>> traditional marriage" meme, more like they just don't like gays and
>>>>>>> would like to marginalize them.
>>>>>> I don't trust gays who say things like this:
>>>>>> "Our relationship is between us," said Carla Hopkins, 38, of Mount
>>>>>> Vernon, with partner Victoria Eleftherio, 38, sitting on her lap
>>>>>> outside a hotel ballroom where gay marriage supporters had been hoping
>>>>>> for a victory party. "How does that affect anybody else? It's a
>>>>>> personal thing."
>>>>>> .. when everyone knows that marriage has a public dimension, and makes
>>>>>> claims/demands on government, employers, etc.
>>>>> Why are you opposed to it? Are you opposed to it because of the
>>>>> increased claims on government, employers, etc.?
>>>> Nope. E.g., if it was 1964 in Virginia, i'd be in favor of repealing the
>>>> law against interracial marriage, even though that would result in
>>>> increased claims in those domains.
>>> You didn't answer my first question.
>> I oppose it for the same reason i oppose 'marriage' between a man and
>> a cow or a man and a sofa - those, and 'gay marriage' , are all
>> inconsistent with our cultural heritage that defines "marriage" as a
>> relationship between a man and a woman who are not closely related to
>> each other. Buttressing that is my personal religious belief which
>> condemns gay marriage as well.
> But this is the problem...cows and sofas aren't people. They don't
> have rights. People do.
i should probably ask about the rights of the person who wants to marry
a cow, but .. nevermind.
> And in our society, heterosexual people have
> more rights than homosexual people do due to the fact that they can
> marry.
If i want to marry my sister, all of the kapowski triplets, or you for
that matter, well i'm denied all those 'rights' as well. And i'm
heterosexual.
> "Cultural heritage" has been used for many years to prevent people
> from acquiring equal rights...this is just another one of those
> instances.
I also forgot to add that a key basis for my opposition is that i find
the whole concept of 'gay marriage', like incest marriage, viscerally
repugnant. It just resonates as something deeply unnatural and wrong.
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"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the markets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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