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Guy Macon  
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 More options Aug 20, 2:30 am
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From: Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:30:24 +0000
Local: Wed, Aug 20 2008 2:30 am
Subject: A serious threat to our national security

James Arthur wrote:
>That's Bill Gate's major innovation--his solution to the

question "How can you make loads of money off a product

I was just reading that right before Russia invaded
Georgia, there was a cyberattack on Georgia's basic
network infrastructure launched from the Botnets that
Bill Gates created through the above policies.  I can
only conclude that Microsoft's ongoing refusal to make
a version of windows that cannot be remotely controlled
by criminals is now

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Robert Baer  
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 More options Aug 20, 7:51 am
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From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:51:10 -0700
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Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security

   I see tha the balance of your above missive has been excised by
billy.boy.tools.inc

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Guy Macon  
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From: Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:28:19 +0000
Local: Wed, Aug 20 2008 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security

James Arthur wrote:
>That's Bill Gate's major innovation--his solution to the

question "How can you make loads of money off a product

I was just reading that right before Russia invaded
Georgia, there was a cyberattack on Georgia's basic
network infrastructure launched from the Botnets that
Bill Gates created through the above policies.  I can
only conclude that Microsoft's ongoing refusal to make
a version of windows that cannot be remotely controlled
by criminals is now a serious threat to our national
security.

--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>


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MooseFET  
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 More options Aug 20, 1:56 pm
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From: MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:56:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Aug 20 2008 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security
On Aug 20, 8:28 pm, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
[....]

> I was just reading that right before Russia invaded
> Georgia, there was a cyberattack on Georgia's basic
> network infrastructure launched from the Botnets that
> Bill Gates created through the above policies.  I can
> only conclude that Microsoft's ongoing refusal to make
> a version of windows that cannot be remotely controlled
> by criminals is now a serious threat to our national
> security.

One thing that may save us is that some parts of the US government are
still using older versions of the Microsloth products.  This means
that although all of the computers can be taken over, the method is
not the same for all of them.  Many businesses are staying with NT or
XP and not xxxgrading to Vista so we may gain a little strength
through diversity.

In many ways the security folks who work for the government are threir
own worse enemy.  They want uniformity in the systems and procedures.


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Guy Macon  
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 More options Aug 21, 5:16 pm
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From: Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:16:27 +0000
Local: Thurs, Aug 21 2008 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security

No it isn't. One researcher found that 80% of the traffic
on the Internet was botnets:
[ http://www.honeynet.org/papers/bots/ ].

Another estimates that around 25% of computers on the
net are infected and are part of botnets:
[ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6298641.stm ]

One botenet alone is sending 60 billion spam emails per day:
[ http://www.secureworks.com/research/threats/topbotnets/ ]

Not even slightly funny

>our entire network of thousands of PC
>across ten cities and spanning several companies, is
>all Windows, and we have secure networks.

Factual claims by anonymous Usenet posters are not
evidence. We have no way of evaluating the claim.
In particular, we j=have no assurance that you have
the ability to detect a botnet running on your network.
See _Botnets Don Invisibility Cloaks_ at
[ http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=113849 ].
One researcher estimates that virus/malware scanners only
detect about 75 percent of malware.
[ http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=122116&WT.svl=news1_1]

Certainly secure Windows networks do exist -- I have
one in my home lab.  It isn't hard to do, either; just
set up a hardware firewall (FreeSCO is good) a sowtware
firewall (Zone Alarm is good) and a malware scanner
(Kaspersky is good), keep up with the updates, and don't
download from untrusted sources, and Bob's your uncle.

The problem is that you have to take extra steps such as
descibed above to secure Windows.  When grandma buys a
new PC and runs it on a DSL line for a few years without
updating it, it becomes part of a botnet.  And there are
a *lot* of grandmas out there.

Also see:
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/tips/ST06-001.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet  

>Just so you know, I use Linux as well.

That's interesting.  Not many Linux users have
"X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118" in their
headers.  Some do, though; Forte Agent runs under
WINE if you don't mind it crashing on close...

>You WinHater FuckTards really make me sick.

Why would you become so emotionally involved over
someone's OS preference?  

> So is Bill a businessman, or a thief?

You probably aren't aware that I am a libertarian.
A transaction where a willing buyer buys something
 -- even if that something is crap -- from a willing
seller can never be theft.

> Remember, your answer tells us a lot about your character.

No it doesn't.

--

  "Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's
  game because they almost always turn out to be  -- or to be
  indistinguishable from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds
  possessing infinite amounts of free time."
                             -Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_
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John Larkin  
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 More options Aug 21, 5:24 pm
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From: John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:24:03 -0700
Local: Thurs, Aug 21 2008 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:16:27 +0000, Guy Macon

<http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
>>You WinHater FuckTards really make me sick.

>Why would you become so emotionally involved over
>someone's OS preference?

Because he's Always Wrong.

>> So is Bill a businessman, or a thief?

>You probably aren't aware that I am a libertarian.
>A transaction where a willing buyer buys something
> -- even if that something is crap -- from a willing
>seller can never be theft.

It is if the seller violated law and ethics in restricting your
choices.

John


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Guy Macon  
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 More options Aug 21, 8:08 pm
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From: Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:08:20 +0000
Local: Thurs, Aug 21 2008 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security

John Larkin wrote:

>Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:

>>AnimalMagic wrote:

>>>You WinHater FuckTards really make me sick.

>>Why would you become so emotionally involved over
>>someone's OS preference?

>Because he's Always Wrong.

Ah. That explains the preference for Windows over Linux. :)

>>> So is Bill [gates] a businessman, or a thief?

>>You probably aren't aware that I am a libertarian.
>>A transaction where a willing buyer buys something
>> -- even if that something is crap -- from a willing
>>seller can never be theft.

>It is if the seller violated law and ethics in
>restricting your choices.

Do you mean a seller restricting a buyer's choices
during the transaction where a willing buyer buys
something from a willing seller, or do you mean
the seller doing something outside that transaction?
I said that a transaction where a willing buyer buys
something from a willing seller can never be theft,
but I didn't say that the seller or the buyer couldn't
do thinhgs outside that transaction wiich are theft.

The phrase "willing buyer buying from a willing seller"
implies that either can choose to restrict the choices
of the other.  I would like to be paid $10,000 per hour,
but all my clients are conspiring to restrict me from
that choice.  My clients who would no doubt like to
only pay me $1 per hour, but I am restricting their
choices by refusing to accept a job at that rate.

In the same way, as long as Microsoft doesn't stop me
from buying a Macintosh or installing Linux, selling
Windows is not theft. This is not to say that MS does
not engage in unethical and illegal business practices,
just that selling a copy of Windows is not one of them.

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Richard Henry  
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 More options Aug 21, 11:28 pm
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From: Richard Henry <pomer...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:28:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Aug 21 2008 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security
On Aug 21, 12:08 pm, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:

When the "willing seller" makes fraudulent claims about his product,
or fails to inform the buyer of defects in his product, or refuses to
repair known defects in his product, he is a criminal.

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Rich Grise  
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 More options Aug 21, 11:45 pm
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From: Rich Grise <r...@example.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:45:36 GMT
Local: Thurs, Aug 21 2008 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:24:03 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:16:27 +0000, Guy Macon
> >Some dorkwad wrote:
>>>You WinHater FuckTards really make me sick.

>>Why would you become so emotionally involved over
>>someone's OS preference?

> Because he's Always Wrong.

Except John was asking the fucktard why he was so up-in-arms
over you. :-)

>>> So is Bill a businessman, or a thief?

>>You probably aren't aware that I am a libertarian.
>>A transaction where a willing buyer buys something
>> -- even if that something is crap -- from a willing
>>seller can never be theft.

> It is if the seller violated law and ethics in restricting your
> choices.

Caveat Emptor, dude. If the guy is violating the law, have him
rousted, or just don't do business with him.

Ethics?

You can't cheat an honest man.

Cheers!
Rich


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Guy Macon  
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 More options Aug 22, 12:36 am
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From: Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:36:18 +0000
Local: Fri, Aug 22 2008 12:36 am
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security

Richard Henry wrote:
>When the "willing seller" makes fraudulent claims about
>his product, or fails to inform the buyer of defects in
>his product, or refuses to repair known defects in his
>product, he is a criminal.

But not a thief.  Those first two are fraud, not theft,
and the last isn't even wrong in the case of defects
the seller didn't know about before the sale -- unless
the seller offered a warranty or guarantee of some sort.

A transaction where a willing buyer buys something from
a willing seller can never be theft.  It can be fraud,
but not theft.

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Don Bowey  
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 More options Aug 22, 1:18 am
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From: Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:18:36 -0700
Local: Fri, Aug 22 2008 1:18 am
Subject: Re: A serious threat to our national security
On 8/21/08 4:36 PM, in article V9idnS-HJY55ZjDV4p2d...@giganews.com, "Guy

Precisely why can it not be theft by fraud?  Theft is a deed, fraud is a
method.

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