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Jim Thompson  
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 More options Aug 19, 4:13 pm
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From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:13:18 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 19 2008 4:13 pm
Subject: "Frames" Question

I have a friend who has created his own blog web site.

On my Firefox (v2.00.16) the "frames" overlap and blank-out portions
of other panels.

"Friend" claims no problems reported by anyone else.  (He says.)

"Friend" is a retired non-technical executive of Intel (facility
maintenance :-)

Any idea what he did wrong, so I can tell him politely?  (He's a bit
of a hot-head, "I didn't do anything wrong", type... a lot like all
the leftist weenies lurking here :-)

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Jon Slaughter  
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 More options Aug 19, 4:21 pm
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From: "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:21:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: "Frames" Question

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:cdola49581nh9ni36ufl752o33iinidh2a@4ax.com...

> I have a friend who has created his own blog web site.

> On my Firefox (v2.00.16) the "frames" overlap and blank-out portions
> of other panels.

Maybe upgrade firefox?

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 More options Aug 19, 4:23 pm
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From: Paul Herber <SubstituteMyFirstNameH...@pherber.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:23:44 +0100
Local: Tues, Aug 19 2008 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: "Frames" Question
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:13:18 -0700, Jim Thompson

<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>I have a friend who has created his own blog web site.

>On my Firefox (v2.00.16) the "frames" overlap and blank-out portions
>of other panels.

>"Friend" claims no problems reported by anyone else.  (He says.)

>"Friend" is a retired non-technical executive of Intel (facility
>maintenance :-)

>Any idea what he did wrong, so I can tell him politely?  (He's a bit
>of a hot-head, "I didn't do anything wrong", type... a lot like all
>the leftist weenies lurking here :-)

URL?

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a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com  
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 More options Aug 19, 4:26 pm
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: "Frames" Question
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Jim Thompson  
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 More options Aug 19, 4:30 pm
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From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:30:25 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 19 2008 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: "Frames" Question

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:21:35 -0500, "Jon Slaughter"

<Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:cdola49581nh9ni36ufl752o33iinidh2a@4ax.com...

>> I have a friend who has created his own blog web site.

>> On my Firefox (v2.00.16) the "frames" overlap and blank-out portions
>> of other panels.

>Maybe upgrade firefox?

Firefox v2.00.16 is the latest non v3, which I understand has
problems.

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 More options Aug 19, 4:31 pm
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From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:31:33 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 19 2008 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: "Frames" Question

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:23:44 +0100, Paul Herber

http://chuckroger.com/

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Jim Thompson  
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 More options Aug 19, 4:36 pm
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From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:36:47 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 19 2008 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: "Frames" Question

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT), a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com
wrote:

Shows 10 errors, 3 warnings... but nothing meaningful to me ;-)

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 More options Aug 19, 4:38 pm
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From: mpm <mpmill...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: "Frames" Question
On Aug 19, 11:13 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com>

> On my Firefox (v2.00.16) the "frames" overlap and blank-out portions
> of other panels.
> Any idea what he did wrong, so I can tell him politely?

Politely, you could mention that frames have some disadvantages.

1 - They can be hard to navigate
2 - Their scroll bars can hog precious real estate
3 - They can be hard to get indexed in search engines
4 - Once indexed, can appear independently without benefit of their
surrounding and supporting frames
5 - Better to embed content using fixed positioning and the use of
OBJECT elements. (per W3C)

Most likely, your friend has set the noresize in the frame tag to
zero.  (Or has set the border width in the border tag to zero).
Either way, visitors won't be able to resize the frames - which (sight
unseen - no pun intended) would seem like reasonable solutions to the
problem.

Also, in Explorer 5, if you set the border width to less than 5, the
border disappears and visitors won't be able re-size them (regardless
of the noresize attribute).  Not sure if that is the same for Firefox,
as I don't use it that much.  It is not a problem in IE-6.

You could also introduce your friend to CSS?  Obviously, with fixed-
position layouts.

-mpm


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Paul Herber  
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 More options Aug 19, 4:55 pm
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From: Paul Herber <SubstituteMyFirstNameH...@pherber.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:55:06 +0100
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Subject: Re: "Frames" Question
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:31:33 -0700, Jim Thompson

1. no DOCTYPE (not good)
2. it doesn't use frames (which is good)
3. it was designed in Frontpage (not good)
4. far too many font styles and sizes (not good)
5. some HTML is IE specific
6. IE and other web browsers show some text areas differently as  the
HTML is badly formed and they will each make different assumptions
(which is what you are seeing). This is normal. It's not correct but
it's normal.

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Don Bowey  
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 More options Aug 19, 5:00 pm
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From: Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:00:40 -0700
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Subject: Re: "Frames" Question
On 8/19/08 8:31 AM, in article aqpla4l160hbran90f3a1lpg8snn0al...@4ax.com,

It doesn't look right on Safari either,  Frames are out of place.

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From: JeffM <jef...@email.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: "Frames" Question
Jim Thompson wrote:
>I have a friend who has created his own blog web site.

:http://chuckroger.com/
:
At first I said. "How can this guy be a friend of be JT?".
Example headline:
"Conservatives are lower life forms"

...then I saw "Donkeys and elephants draw flies"
so apparently he gives it to both sides equally.  8-)

>On my Firefox (v2.00.16) the "frames" overlap
>and blank-out portions of other panels.

I'll say it again:
The FIRST step to making pages render properly in ALL browsers
is to make sure the HTML is W3C-compliant.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:53:47 -0700
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Subject: Re: "Frames" Question