On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > escapes me.
> > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > loyalty.
> > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > The next generation
> > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > back.
> > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > than China.
> > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > robes."
> > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > 8 and 5.
> > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > play Singapore.
> > Whither Singapore?
> > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > migrants?
> > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > country.
> > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old > > home in silken robes.
> > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way > > of Temasek.
> > Read SM Goh's speech here. > > --
> > Related Posts > > 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're concerned > > about our future > > 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of Singapore" > > 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh > > 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh > > 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP
Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!
<Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are too many Chinese in China now > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > escapes me.
> > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > loyalty.
> > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > The next generation
> > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > back.
> > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > than China.
> > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > robes."
> > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > 8 and 5.
> > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > play Singapore.
> > > Whither Singapore?
> > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > migrants?
> > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > > country.
> > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old > > > home in silken robes.
> > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way > > > of Temasek.
> > > Read SM Goh's speech here. > > > --
> > > Related Posts > > > 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're concerned > > > about our future > > > 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of Singapore" > > > 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh > > > 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh > > > 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP
> Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!
Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> are you denying the Chinese in China > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > escapes me.
> > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > loyalty.
> > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > The next generation
> > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > back.
> > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > than China.
> > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > robes."
> > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > migrants?
> > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > > > country.
> > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old > > > > home in silken robes.
> > > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way > > > > of Temasek.
> > > > Read SM Goh's speech here. > > > > --
> > > > Related Posts > > > > 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're concerned > > > > about our future > > > > 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of Singapore" > > > > 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh > > > > 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh > > > > 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP
> > Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile?
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a dark-skinned Cambodian?
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a Japanese arse- licker?
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are an uneducated, ignorant and stupid racist faggot from Cambodia?
<Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> > are you denying the Chinese in China > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > The next generation
> > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > back.
> > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > than China.
> > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > robes."
> > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > > > > country.
> > > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old > > > > > home in silken robes.
> > > > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way > > > > > of Temasek.
> > > > > Read SM Goh's speech here. > > > > > --
> > > > > Related Posts > > > > > 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're concerned > > > > > about our future > > > > > 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of Singapore" > > > > > 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh > > > > > 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh > > > > > 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP
> > > Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!
> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile?
> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a > dark-skinned Cambodian?
> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a Japanese arse- > licker?
> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are an uneducated, > ignorant and stupid racist faggot from Cambodia?
> Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > > > > > country.
> > > > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old > > > > > > home in silken robes.
> > > > > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way > > > > > > of Temasek.
> > > > > > Related Posts > > > > > > 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're concerned > > > > > > about our future > > > > > > 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of Singapore" > > > > > > 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh > > > > > > 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh > > > > > > 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP
> > > > Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!
> > Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile?
> > Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a > > dark-skinned Cambodian?
> > Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a Japanese arse- > > licker?
> > Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are an uneducated, > > ignorant and stupid racist faggot from Cambodia?
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile?
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a dark-skinned Cambodian?
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a Japanese arse- licker?
Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are an uneducated, ignorant and stupid racist faggot from Cambodia?
Discussion subject changed to "more Chinese in China are buying Singapore ' s passports YET AGAIN" by Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful Fucker , is the Unique son of God
Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful Fucker , is the Unique son of God
Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 20, 11:21 am, Abdul Rahman Dohlon <hinduvis...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> > n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > > Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> > > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > > > > > > country.
> > > > > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > > > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > > > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > > > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > > > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old > > > > > > > home in silken robes.
> > > > > > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way > > > > > > > of Temasek.
> > > > > > > Related Posts > > > > > > > 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're concerned > > > > > > > about our future > > > > > > > 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of Singapore" > > > > > > > 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh > > > > > > > 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh > > > > > > > 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP
> > > > > Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!
> > > Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile?
> > > Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a > > > dark-skinned Cambodian?
> Wakalukong has fabricated his " Chinese Natives " of > ASEAN ,
> Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN > with an instant payment from China .
> Nov 20, 1:55 am, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 20, 11:21 am, Abdul Rahman Dohlon <hinduvis...@gmail.com> > > wrote:
> > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> > > n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > > > Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> > > > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > > > > > > > country.
> > > > > > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > > > > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > > > > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > > > > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > > > > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old > > > > > > > > home in silken robes.
> > > > > > > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way > > > > > > > > of Temasek.
Discussion subject changed to "Chinese in China always want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN ,...Chinese in China are buying Singapore ' s passports with a simple cash payment" by Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China
Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China
From: "Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China" <monsteroooodk...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:22:45 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 21 2009 3:22 am
Subject: Chinese in China always want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN ,...Chinese in China are buying Singapore ' s passports with a simple cash payment
Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 21, 9:43 am, "Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful > Fucker , is the Unique son of God" <veak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wakalukong has fabricated his " Chinese Natives " of > > ASEAN ,
> > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN > > with an instant payment from China .
> > Nov 20, 1:55 am, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 20, 11:21 am, Abdul Rahman Dohlon <hinduvis...@gmail.com> > > > wrote:
> > > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> > > > n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > > > > Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> > > > > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > > > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > > > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > > > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > > > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another > > > > > > > > > country.
> > > > > > > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in > > > > > > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The > > > > > > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He > > > > > > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but,
> Singapore ' s passports , > French master degrees from Toulon France .
> and Thai and Khmer ID cards .
> Chinese from China want to be Malaysian immediately .
> n Nov 20, 6:02 pm, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 21, 9:43 am, "Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful > > Fucker , is the Unique son of God" <veak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Wakalukong has fabricated his " Chinese Natives " of > > > ASEAN ,
> > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN > > > with an instant payment from China .
> > > Nov 20, 1:55 am, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > > Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 20, 11:21 am, Abdul Rahman Dohlon <hinduvis...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> > > > > n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > > > > > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > > > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > > > > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > > > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > > > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > > > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > > > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > > > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed > > > > > > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of > > > > > > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of > > > > > > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional
Discussion subject changed to "more Chinese in China are buying Singapore 's passports" by Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China
Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China
<Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > On Nov 21, 10:22 am, "Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High > School Girl 's cunts in China" <monsteroooodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chinese are buying everything .
> > Singapore ' s passports , > > French master degrees from Toulon France .
> > and Thai and Khmer ID cards .
> > Chinese from China want to be Malaysian immediately .
> > n Nov 20, 6:02 pm, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 21, 9:43 am, "Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful > > > Fucker , is the Unique son of God" <veak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Wakalukong has fabricated his " Chinese Natives " of > > > > ASEAN ,
> > > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN > > > > with an instant payment from China .
> > > > Nov 20, 1:55 am, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > > > Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 20, 11:21 am, Abdul Rahman Dohlon <hinduvis...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> > > > > > n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > > > > > > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > > > > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > > > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > > > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to > > > > > > > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even > > > > > > > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how > > > > > > > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone > > > > > > > > > > > migrants?
> On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > On Nov 21, 10:22 am, "Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High > > School Girl 's cunts in China" <monsteroooodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Chinese are buying everything .
> > > Singapore ' s passports , > > > French master degrees from Toulon France .
> > > and Thai and Khmer ID cards .
> > > Chinese from China want to be Malaysian immediately .
> > > n Nov 20, 6:02 pm, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > > Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 21, 9:43 am, "Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful > > > > Fucker , is the Unique son of God" <veak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Wakalukong has fabricated his " Chinese Natives " of > > > > > ASEAN ,
> > > > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN > > > > > with an instant payment from China .
> > > > > Nov 20, 1:55 am, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > > > > Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 20, 11:21 am, Abdul Rahman Dohlon <hinduvis...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> > > > > > > n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > > > > > > > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > > > > > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > > > > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > > > > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > > > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > > > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > > > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > > > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > > > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > > > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens. > > > > > > > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or > > > > > > > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of > > > > > > > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into > > > > > > > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made
<Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > On Nov 21, 10:35 am, "Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High > School Girl 's cunts in China" <monsteroooodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 21, 10:22 am, "Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High > > > School Girl 's cunts in China" <monsteroooodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Chinese are buying everything .
> > > > Singapore ' s passports , > > > > French master degrees from Toulon France .
> > > > and Thai and Khmer ID cards .
> > > > Chinese from China want to be Malaysian immediately .
> > > > n Nov 20, 6:02 pm, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > > > Goat <komin_le_cambodgien_me...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 21, 9:43 am, "Jesus Christ , St. Mary 's cunt ' s faithful > > > > > Fucker , is the Unique son of God" <veak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Wakalukong has fabricated his " Chinese Natives " of > > > > > > ASEAN ,
> > > > > > Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN > > > > > > with an instant payment from China .
> > > > > > Nov 20, 1:55 am, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a
> > > > > > > > > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > > > > > > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > > > > > > > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > > > > > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > > > > > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > > > > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > > > > > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently > > > > > > > > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in > > > > > > > > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral > > > > > > > > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent > > > > > > > > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors > > > > > > > > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently > > > > > > > > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon > > > > > > > > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and > > > > > > > > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants > > > > > > > > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same > > > > > > > > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of > > > > > > > > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore > > > > > > > > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees". > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and > > > > > > > > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning > > > > > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their > > > > > > > > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of > > > > > > > > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They, > > > > > > > > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England > > > > > > > > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and > > > > > > > > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of > > > > > > > > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone > > > > > > > > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a > > > > > > > > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in > > > > > > > > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken > > > > > > > > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of > > > > > > > > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go > > > > > > > > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents, > > > > > > > > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent > > > > > > > > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October > > > > > > > > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these > > > > > > > > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they > > > > > > > > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in > > > > > > > > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new > > > > > > > > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical > > > > > > > > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and > > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual
<Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> > are you denying the Chinese in China > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong > > > > > confidently > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans > > > > > in > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his > > > > > ancestral > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a > > > > > recent > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of > > > > > permanent > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of > > > > > factors > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave > > > > > differently > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they > > > > > will soon > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. > > > > > However, this > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook > > > > > and > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited > > > > > his > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new > > > > > immigrants > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > The next generation
> > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel > > > > > the same > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present > > > > > generation, of > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to > > > > > Singapore > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic > > > > > "refugees". > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, > > > > > hunger and > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no > > > > > turning > > > > > back.
> > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither > > > > > could they > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and > > > > > wanted > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of > > > > > their > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the > > > > > children of > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. > > > > > They, > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to > > > > > England > > > > > than China.
> > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as > > > > > adults and > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country > > > > > that is a > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the > > > > > lives of > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a > > > > > stepping stone > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties > > > > > with the > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and > > > > > bigger in > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest > > > > > between a > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is > > > > > ingrained in > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in > > > > > silken > > > > > robes."
> > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh > > > > > Chok Tong. > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional > > > > > and > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a > > > > > lot of > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some > > > > > even go > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant > > > > > parents, > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more > > > > > than channels > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore > > > > > permanent > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese > > > > > flag and > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't > > > > > be > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st > > > > > October > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also > > > > > unlike the > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral > > > > > homes on a > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are > > > > > Singaporeans. Just > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a > > > > > lot of these > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team > > > > > when they > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our > > > > > policy > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty > > > > > years > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country > > > > > and in > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the > > > > > population here.
> > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs > > > > > and new > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an > > > > > England > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter > > > > > Polynesian. > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the > > > > > dinosaurs.
> > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree > > > > > with > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote > > > > > analytical > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly > > > > > can be."
> > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to > > > > > humanity and > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow > > > > > citizens. > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize > > > > > injustice or > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous > > > > > participation of > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced > > > > > Singaporeans into > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In > > > > > years to > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages > > > > > or even > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class > > > > > citizens, how > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let > > > > > alone > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to > > > > > developed > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow > > > > > influx of > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is > > > > > made up of > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to > > > > > another > > > > > country.
> > > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral > > > > > village in > > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. > > > > > The > > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much > > > > > stronger. He > > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to > > > > > one's old > > > > > home in silken robes.
> > > > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to > > > > > go the way > > > > > of Temasek.
> > > > > Read SM Goh's speech here. > > > > > --
> > > > > Related Posts > > > > > 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're > > > > > concerned > > > > > about our future > > > > > 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of > > > > > Singapore" > > > > > 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh > > > > > 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh > > > > > 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP
> > > Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!
> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile?
> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a
> n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt
> > Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,
> > > are you denying the Chinese in China > > > are buying Singaporean passports ?
> > > n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> > > <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > > > > allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > > > > have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > There are too many Chinese in China now > > > > > buying Singaporean Passports.
> > > > > n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> > > > > > At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong > > > > > > confidently > > > > > > declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans > > > > > > in > > > > > > outlook and loyalty within a generation."
> > > > > > He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his > > > > > > ancestral > > > > > > village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a > > > > > > recent > > > > > > Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of > > > > > > permanent > > > > > > residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
> > > > > > How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of > > > > > > factors > > > > > > escapes me.
> > > > > > First of all, young children all over the world do not behave > > > > > > differently > > > > > > from one another. Put a group of young children together and they > > > > > > will soon > > > > > > play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. > > > > > > However, this > > > > > > does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook > > > > > > and > > > > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited > > > > > > his > > > > > > ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new > > > > > > immigrants > > > > > > will, in future, feel the way he did.
> > > > > > The next generation
> > > > > > The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel > > > > > > the same > > > > > > way as this generation of Singaporeans.
> > > > > > This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present > > > > > > generation, of > > > > > > older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to > > > > > > Singapore > > > > > > under different circumstances. They were political and economic > > > > > > "refugees". > > > > > > Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, > > > > > > hunger and > > > > > > poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no > > > > > > turning > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither > > > > > > could they > > > > > > bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of > > > > > > their > > > > > > homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the > > > > > > children of > > > > > > these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. > > > > > > They, > > > > > > especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to > > > > > > England > > > > > > than China.
> > > > > > The present new migrants from China are different. They came as > > > > > > adults and > > > > > > are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country > > > > > > that is a > > > > > > basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the > > > > > > lives of > > > > > > their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a > > > > > > stepping stone > > > > > > to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties > > > > > > with the > > > > > > country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and > > > > > > bigger in > > > > > > economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest > > > > > > between a > > > > > > giant red mass and a little red dot.
> > > > > > At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is > > > > > > ingrained in > > > > > > them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in > > > > > > silken > > > > > > robes."
> > > > > > The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh > > > > > > Chok Tong. > > > > > > They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional > > > > > > and > > > > > > ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a > > > > > > lot of > > > > > > them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some > > > > > > even go > > > > > > back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant > > > > > > parents, > > > > > > they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more > > > > > > than channels > > > > > > 8 and 5.
> > > > > > Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore > > > > > > permanent > > > > > > resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese > > > > > > flag and > > > > > > feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't > > > > > > be > > > > > > surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st > > > > > > October > > > > > > in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also > > > > > > unlike the > > > > > > Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral > > > > > > homes on a > > > > > > regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are > > > > > > Singaporeans. Just > > > > > > as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a > > > > > > lot of these > > > > > > new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team > > > > > > when they > > > > > > play Singapore.
> > > > > > Whither Singapore?
> > > > > > I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our > > > > > > policy > > > > > > does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty > > > > > > years > > > > > > time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country > > > > > > and in > > > > > > forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the > > > > > > population here.
> > > > > > In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs > > > > > > and new > > > > > > citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an > > > > > > England > > > > > > that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter > > > > > > Polynesian. > > > > > > Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the > > > > > > dinosaurs.
> > > > > > According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree > > > > > > with > > > > > > everything that his country does and would actually promote > > > > > > analytical > > > > > > questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly > > > > > > can be."
> > > > > > In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to > > > > > > humanity and > > > > > > beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow > > > > > > citizens. > > > > > > Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize > > > > > > injustice or > > > > > > to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous > > > > > > participation of > > > > > > people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
> > > > > > Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced > > > > > > Singaporeans into > > > > > > an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In > > > > > > years to > > > > > > come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages > > > > > > or even > > > > > > displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class > > > > > > citizens, how > > > > > > much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let > > > > > > alone > > > > > > migrants?
> > > > > > It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to > > > > > > developed > > > > > > their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow > > > > > > influx of > > > > > > migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is > > > > > > made up of > > > > > > Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to > > > > > > another > > > > > > country.
> > > > > > As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral > > > > > > village in > > > > > > China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. > > > > > > The > > > > > > cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much > > > > > > stronger. He > > > > > > would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > > > > > > psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to > > > > > > one's old > > > > > > home in silken robes.
> > > > > > Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to > > > > > > go the way > > > > > > of Temasek.
> n Nov 24, 12:07 pm, "Samsuddin" <samsuddin...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> More Muslims everywhere in Asia are trying to buy Malaysian passports >> "Abdul Rahman Dohlon" <hinduvis...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:6f3751e4-34c8-4cbe-a40e-23a99a4cba65@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com... >> Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
>> n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
>> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: >>> On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt >>> Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Fake Komin the Chinese Turd, >>>> are you denying the Chinese in China >>>> are buying Singaporean passports ? >>>> n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd >>>> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: >>>>> On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only >>>>> allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to >>>>> have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> There are too many Chinese in China now >>>>>> buying Singaporean Passports. >>>>>> n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote: >>>>>>> http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/new-immigrants-loyalty-to-spore-s... >>>>>>> New immigrants' loyalty to S'pore - SM Goh's amazing conclusion >>>>>>> Monday, 16 November 2009, 11:35 pm | 725 views >>>>>>> Dr Wong Wee Nam >>>>>>> At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong >>>>>>> confidently >>>>>>> declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> outlook and loyalty within a generation." >>>>>>> He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his >>>>>>> ancestral >>>>>>> village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a >>>>>>> recent >>>>>>> Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of >>>>>>> permanent >>>>>>> residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans. >>>>>>> How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of >>>>>>> factors >>>>>>> escapes me. >>>>>>> First of all, young children all over the world do not behave >>>>>>> differently >>>>>>> from one another. Put a group of young children together and they >>>>>>> will soon >>>>>>> play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. >>>>>>> However, this >>>>>>> does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> loyalty. >>>>>>> Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new >>>>>>> immigrants >>>>>>> will, in future, feel the way he did. >>>>>>> The next generation >>>>>>> The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel >>>>>>> the same >>>>>>> way as this generation of Singaporeans. >>>>>>> This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present >>>>>>> generation, of >>>>>>> older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to >>>>>>> Singapore >>>>>>> under different circumstances. They were political and economic >>>>>>> "refugees". >>>>>>> Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, >>>>>>> hunger and >>>>>>> poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no >>>>>>> turning >>>>>>> back. >>>>>>> Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither >>>>>>> could they >>>>>>> bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and >>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>> to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the >>>>>>> children of >>>>>>> these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. >>>>>>> They, >>>>>>> especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to >>>>>>> England >>>>>>> than China. >>>>>>> The present new migrants from China are different. They came as >>>>>>> adults and >>>>>>> are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country >>>>>>> that is a >>>>>>> basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the >>>>>>> lives of >>>>>>> their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a >>>>>>> stepping stone >>>>>>> to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties >>>>>>> with the >>>>>>> country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and >>>>>>> bigger in >>>>>>> economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest >>>>>>> between a >>>>>>> giant red mass and a little red dot. >>>>>>> At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is >>>>>>> ingrained in >>>>>>> them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in >>>>>>> silken >>>>>>> robes." >>>>>>> The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh >>>>>>> Chok Tong. >>>>>>> They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some >>>>>>> even go >>>>>>> back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant >>>>>>> parents, >>>>>>> they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more >>>>>>> than channels >>>>>>> 8 and 5. >>>>>>> Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore >>>>>>> permanent >>>>>>> resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese >>>>>>> flag and >>>>>>> feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st >>>>>>> October >>>>>>> in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also >>>>>>> unlike the >>>>>>> Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral >>>>>>> homes on a >>>>>>> regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are >>>>>>> Singaporeans. Just >>>>>>> as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a >>>>>>> lot of these >>>>>>> new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team >>>>>>> when they >>>>>>> play Singapore. >>>>>>> Whither Singapore? >>>>>>> I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our >>>>>>> policy >>>>>>> does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country >>>>>>> and in >>>>>>> forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the >>>>>>> population here. >>>>>>> In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs >>>>>>> and new >>>>>>> citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an >>>>>>> England >>>>>>> that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter >>>>>>> Polynesian. >>>>>>> Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the >>>>>>> dinosaurs. >>>>>>> According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> everything that his country does and would actually promote >>>>>>> analytical >>>>>>> questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly >>>>>>> can be." >>>>>>> In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to >>>>>>> humanity and >>>>>>> beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow >>>>>>> citizens. >>>>>>> Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize >>>>>>> injustice or >>>>>>> to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous >>>>>>> participation of >>>>>>> people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism. >>>>>>> Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced >>>>>>> Singaporeans into >>>>>>> an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In >>>>>>> years to >>>>>>> come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages >>>>>>> or even >>>>>>> displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class >>>>>>> citizens, how >>>>>>> much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let >>>>>>> alone >>>>>>> migrants? >>>>>>> It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to >>>>>>> developed >>>>>>> their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow >>>>>>> influx of >>>>>>> migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is >>>>>>> made up of >>>>>>> Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> country. >>>>>>> As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral >>>>>>> village in >>>>>>> China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much >>>>>>> stronger. He >>>>>>> would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, >>>>>>> psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to >>>>>>> one's old >>>>>>> home in silken robes. >>>>>>> Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to >>>>>>> go the way >>>>>>> of Temasek. >>>>>>> Read SM Goh's speech here. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Related Posts >>>>>>> 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're >>>>>>> concerned >>>>>>> about our future >>>>>>> 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of >>>>>>> Singapore" >>>>>>> 3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh >>>>>>> 4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh >>>>>>> 5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP >>>>> Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied! >>> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile? >>> Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a >> ...
From: "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:44:50 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 12:44 am
Subject: Re: more Chinese in China are buying Singapore ' s passports
> charlie vietcong wrote: > > Vietnamese government give freelyViet passports to Returning > > oversea Vietnamese who want to live in Vietnam
> > Malays should give freely Malay passports to > > muslems who want to live in Malaysia .
> WHY?
> > n Nov 24, 12:07 pm, "Samsuddin" <samsuddin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> More Muslims everywhere in Asia are trying to buy Malaysian passports > >> "Abdul Rahman Dohlon" <hinduvis...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:6f3751e4-34c8-4cbe-a40e-23a99a4cba65@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > >> Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .
> >> n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd
> >> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > >>> On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt > >>> Goddesse" <indoshi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Fake Komin the Chinese Turd, > >>>> are you denying the Chinese in China > >>>> are buying Singaporean passports ? > >>>> n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd > >>>> <Komin_the_t...@live.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only > >>>>> allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to > >>>>> have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> There are too many Chinese in China now > >>>>>> buying Singaporean Passports. > >>>>>> n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/new-immigrants-loyalty-to-spore-s... > >>>>>>> New immigrants' loyalty to S'pore - SM Goh's amazing conclusion > >>>>>>> Monday, 16 November 2009, 11:35 pm | 725 views > >>>>>>> Dr Wong Wee Nam > >>>>>>> At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong > >>>>>>> confidently > >>>>>>> declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> outlook and loyalty within a generation." > >>>>>>> He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his > >>>>>>> ancestral > >>>>>>> village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a > >>>>>>> recent > >>>>>>> Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of > >>>>>>> permanent > >>>>>>> residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans. > >>>>>>> How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of > >>>>>>> factors > >>>>>>> escapes me. > >>>>>>> First of all, young children all over the world do not behave > >>>>>>> differently > >>>>>>> from one another. Put a group of young children together and they > >>>>>>> will soon > >>>>>>> play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. > >>>>>>> However, this > >>>>>>> does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> loyalty. > >>>>>>> Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited > >>>>>>> his > >>>>>>> ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new > >>>>>>> immigrants > >>>>>>> will, in future, feel the way he did. > >>>>>>> The next generation > >>>>>>> The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel > >>>>>>> the same > >>>>>>> way as this generation of Singaporeans. > >>>>>>> This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present > >>>>>>> generation, of > >>>>>>> older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to > >>>>>>> Singapore > >>>>>>> under different circumstances. They were political and economic > >>>>>>> "refugees". > >>>>>>> Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, > >>>>>>> hunger and > >>>>>>> poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no > >>>>>>> turning > >>>>>>> back. > >>>>>>> Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither > >>>>>>> could they > >>>>>>> bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and > >>>>>>> wanted > >>>>>>> to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of > >>>>>>> their > >>>>>>> homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the > >>>>>>> children of > >>>>>>> these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. > >>>>>>> They, > >>>>>>> especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to > >>>>>>> England > >>>>>>> than China. > >>>>>>> The present new migrants from China are different. They came as > >>>>>>> adults and > >>>>>>> are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country > >>>>>>> that is a > >>>>>>> basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the > >>>>>>> lives of > >>>>>>> their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a > >>>>>>> stepping stone > >>>>>>> to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties > >>>>>>> with the > >>>>>>> country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and > >>>>>>> bigger in > >>>>>>> economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest > >>>>>>> between a > >>>>>>> giant red mass and a little red dot. > >>>>>>> At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is > >>>>>>> ingrained in > >>>>>>> them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in > >>>>>>> silken > >>>>>>> robes." > >>>>>>> The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh > >>>>>>> Chok Tong. > >>>>>>> They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a > >>>>>>> lot of > >>>>>>> them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some > >>>>>>> even go > >>>>>>> back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant > >>>>>>> parents, > >>>>>>> they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more > >>>>>>> than channels > >>>>>>> 8 and 5. > >>>>>>> Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore > >>>>>>> permanent > >>>>>>> resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese > >>>>>>> flag and > >>>>>>> feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>> surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st > >>>>>>> October > >>>>>>> in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also > >>>>>>> unlike the > >>>>>>> Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral > >>>>>>> homes on a > >>>>>>> regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are > >>>>>>> Singaporeans. Just > >>>>>>> as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a > >>>>>>> lot of these > >>>>>>> new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team > >>>>>>> when they > >>>>>>> play Singapore. > >>>>>>> Whither Singapore? > >>>>>>> I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our > >>>>>>> policy > >>>>>>> does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty > >>>>>>> years > >>>>>>> time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country > >>>>>>> and in > >>>>>>> forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the > >>>>>>> population here. > >>>>>>> In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs > >>>>>>> and new > >>>>>>> citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an > >>>>>>> England > >>>>>>> that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter > >>>>>>> Polynesian. > >>>>>>> Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the > >>>>>>> dinosaurs. > >>>>>>> According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> everything that his country does and would actually promote > >>>>>>> analytical > >>>>>>> questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly > >>>>>>> can be." > >>>>>>> In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to > >>>>>>> humanity and > >>>>>>> beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow > >>>>>>> citizens. > >>>>>>> Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize > >>>>>>> injustice or > >>>>>>> to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous > >>>>>>> participation of > >>>>>>> people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism. > >>>>>>> Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced > >>>>>>> Singaporeans into > >>>>>>> an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In > >>>>>>> years to > >>>>>>> come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages > >>>>>>> or even > >>>>>>> displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class > >>>>>>> citizens, how > >>>>>>> much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let > >>>>>>> alone > >>>>>>> migrants? > >>>>>>> It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to > >>>>>>> developed > >>>>>>> their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow > >>>>>>> influx of > >>>>>>> migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is > >>>>>>> made up of > >>>>>>> Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to > >>>>>>> another > >>>>>>> country. > >>>>>>> As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral > >>>>>>> village in > >>>>>>> China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>> cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much > >>>>>>> stronger. He > >>>>>>> would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but, > >>>>>>> psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to > >>>>>>> one's old > >>>>>>> home in silken robes. > >>>>>>> Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to > >>>>>>> go the way > >>>>>>> of Temasek. > >>>>>>> Read SM Goh's speech here. > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Related Posts > >>>>>>> 1.. Gayle Goh : Open our minds & accept new immigrants, if we're > >>>>>>> concerned > >>>>>>> about our future > >>>>>>> 2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the
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