Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT Edited by Debra Tone
ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light Books.
Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain kills Abel.
Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis account.
"The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson said.
"The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he added.
"The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the book for special recognition during its small press celebration throughout March.
The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > Edited by Debra Tone
> ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > Books.
> Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > kills Abel.
> Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > account.
> "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > said.
> "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > added.
> "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > throughout March.
> The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> The ancients do not lie.
It is very silly. Very imaginative but very silly nonetheless. It appeals to the religious fanatic who willing distorts anything to confirm his religious biases.
>Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT >Edited by Debra Tone
>ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists >depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the >Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The >Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light >Books.
>Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on >four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the >Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, >accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, >survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel >talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. >On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain >kills Abel.
>Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the >murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only >Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who >practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The >Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's >Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses >who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into >the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," >thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that >pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis >account.
>"The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their >entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles >the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson >said.
>"The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, >the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying >that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to >celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to >glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he >added.
>"The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon >at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the >book for special recognition during its small press celebration >throughout March.
>The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. >Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are >thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy >are well known. This included Noah's generations.
All-seeing-I wrote: > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > Edited by Debra Tone
> ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > Books.
> Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > kills Abel.
> Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > account.
> "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > said.
> "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > added.
> "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > throughout March.
This book seems to have slid into obscurity since 2005.
> ___________________________________________
> OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
> The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
That's totally false. There were a lot of connections. Which empire had the Jews captive around the time of construction of the Parthenon? Persia. Which empire had one helluva lot of contact with the Hellenic world (lots of wars, ever heard of the battle of Marathon, the battle of Salamis)? Don't you think they would have heard all these stories and incorporated them in their myths, or that they had some parallel myths? The Greeks also had a story that sounded a lot like Abraham, Isaac and the ram.
[Marathon and Salamis were only a generation or two before the construction of the Parthenon.]
All these early Middle Eastern religions, including the Greek, Israelite and Canaanite ones had connections and some similarities. Trade and contact in the Eastern Mediterranean was extensive.
You need to pick up the book by Robert Graves, "The Greek Myths".
> Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> The ancients do not lie.
Don't they? How do you know, did they swear it on a stack of Bibles or something? Before it was written?
Except for trade, warfare, migration, etc. In other words, the Greeks were very close to the Middle East and they were in constant contact with people who lived there. Try looking at a map of the world sometime, Adman - you might notice that Greece is very very close to the Middle East.
> Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > thousands of years old
Indeed, that is how we know as a historical fact that Hercules was the son of Zeus, and that the sun is pulled across the sky by Apollo's chariot every day.
> and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy are well known. This included Noah's generations.
This phrase "clearly show" - I do not think it means what you think it means. Or would mean, if it were correct grammer.
> The ancients do not lie.
Of course they did - but very few of them lied as much as you do.
On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > Edited by Debra Tone
> ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > Books.
snipping Woo-Woo press release.
> OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather fanciful, and hardly credible.
> The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work are suspect.
> Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > thousands of years old
No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up from whole cloth.
> and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
"The Greeks built the Parthenon to celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
> The ancients do not lie.
The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
> On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > Books.
> snipping Woo-Woo press release.
> > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
> Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather > fanciful, and hardly credible.
> > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
> Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work > are suspect.
> > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > thousands of years old
> No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, > which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up > from whole cloth.
> > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the > claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is > depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, > all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient > Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
> "The Greeks built the Parthenon to > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and > to > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
> If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did > "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
> > The ancients do not lie.
> The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up > stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason > to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with > the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even > if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the > Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
> DJT
None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence for Adam and his genealogy.
On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
[...]
> The ancients do not lie.
That being the case, we can assume you also worship Zeus, Hera, Apollo, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Athena, Diana, Ares, and Hades? That you believe in naiads, dryads, nereids, and muses?
>On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote: >> On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT >> > Edited by Debra Tone
>> > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists >> > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the >> > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The >> > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light >> > Books.
>> snipping Woo-Woo press release.
>> > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
>> Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather >> fanciful, and hardly credible.
>> > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
>> Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work >> are suspect.
>> > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are >> > thousands of years old
>> No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, >> which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up >> from whole cloth.
>> > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy >> > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
>> Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the >> claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is >> depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, >> all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient >> Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
>> "The Greeks built the Parthenon to >> celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and >> to >> glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
>> If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did >> "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
>> > The ancients do not lie.
>> The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up >> stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason >> to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with >> the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even >> if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the >> Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
>> DJT
>None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence >for Adam and his genealogy.
There is no such independent evidence and you know that. Why did you lie to us?
> On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > Books.
> > snipping Woo-Woo press release.
> > > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
> > Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather > > fanciful, and hardly credible.
> > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
> > Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work > > are suspect.
> > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > thousands of years old
> > No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, > > which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up > > from whole cloth.
> > > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the > > claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is > > depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, > > all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient > > Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
> > "The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and > > to > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
> > If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did > > "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
> > > The ancients do not lie.
> > The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up > > stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason > > to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with > > the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even > > if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the > > Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
> > DJT
> None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence > for Adam and his genealogy.
Yes, we have: we have pointed out that this is _not_ independent evidence for Adam and his geneology at all. In fact, one would have to be quite stupid and naive to believe this is "evidence" at all.
> Denial. It is not just a river in Egypt!!
Did you know that the word "gullible" is not in the Bible?
> On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > Books.
> > snipping Woo-Woo press release.
> > > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
> > Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather > > fanciful, and hardly credible.
> > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
> > Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work > > are suspect.
> > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > thousands of years old
> > No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, > > which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up > > from whole cloth.
> > > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the > > claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is > > depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, > > all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient > > Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
> > "The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and > > to > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
> > If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did > > "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
> > > The ancients do not lie.
> > The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up > > stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason > > to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with > > the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even > > if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the > > Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
> > DJT
> None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence > for Adam and his genealogy.
As I pointed out above, the above is not "independent evidence" for Adam, or any of his supposed family. It was a fanciful interpretation of some panels from the Parthenon. The author was clearly force fitting the "evidence" to fit his preconceived notion.
You also haven't answered my point above: If all of Cain's descendants were killed in "The Flood", why would the the Greeks (who supposedly come from Noah's descendants, not Cain's) celebrating a victory of Cain over Noah? Why does the "Parthenon Code" include Abel's wife, when no mention of such in made in the Bible?
The drawings of the missing panels from the Parthenon (convieniently blown up, and not available to compare with the drawings), are most likely relating a story entirely unrelated to Cain and Abel.
> Denial. It is not just a river in Egypt!!
Quite right, it's a major component of Creationism. You deny the obvious problems with the author's "interpretation" because you want to believe in the "Flood". The connection the author makes with the Cain and Abel story, and the Noah's Ark story are strained at best.
<ap...@email.com> wrote: >Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT >Edited by Debra Tone
>ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists >depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the >Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The >Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light >Books.
>Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on >four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the >Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, >accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, >survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel >talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. >On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain >kills Abel.
Wow. The Greeks had a myth about a brother killing his brother. Did they use the actual names "kain" and "Abel"?
You know what, the Greeks also had a flood:
"In Greek mythology, Deucalion [...] was a son of Prometheus and Pronoia. When the anger of Zeus was ignited against the hubris of the Pelasgians, Zeus decided to put an end to the Bronze Age with the Deluge. For Lycaon, the king of Arcadia had sacrificed a boy to Zeus. Zeus was appalled to this cannibal offering and others like that. So Zeus set upon loosing a deluge, where the rivers would run in torrents and the sea encroach rapidly on the coastal plain, engulf the foothills with spray, and wash everything clean. Deucalion was then saved from this deluge, by the aid of his father Prometheus, like his Biblical analogue Noah and the Mesopotamian counterpart Utnapishtim by building an ark."
So the flood is a Mesopotamian story that the Greeks might have adopted. It shldn't be too hard to find an ark, since several seem to have been built.
-- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatu...@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<ap...@email.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote: >> On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT >> > Edited by Debra Tone
>> > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists >> > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the >> > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The >> > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light >> > Books.
>> snipping Woo-Woo press release.
>> > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
>> Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather >> fanciful, and hardly credible.
>> > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
>> Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work >> are suspect.
>> > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are >> > thousands of years old
>> No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, >> which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up >> from whole cloth.
>> > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy >> > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
>> Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the >> claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is >> depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, >> all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient >> Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
>> "The Greeks built the Parthenon to >> celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and >> to >> glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
>> If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did >> "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
>> > The ancients do not lie.
>> The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up >> stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason >> to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with >> the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even >> if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the >> Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
>> DJT
>None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence >for Adam and his genealogy.
No it isn't. But it is evidence of the intercourse between various countries of the time. Most of these common myths are simply adaptations of existing myths, most of which originated in Mesopotamia.
-- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatu...@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
> On Nov 7, 10:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > Books.
> > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > > kills Abel.
> > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > > account.
> > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > > said.
> > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > > added.
> > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > > throughout March.
> > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > The ancients do not lie.
> It is very silly. Very imaginative but very silly nonetheless. It > appeals to the religious fanatic who willing distorts anything to > confirm his religious biases.- Hide quoted text -
> On Nov 7, 9:06 am, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 10:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > Books.
> > > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > > > kills Abel.
> > > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > > > account.
> > > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > > > said.
> > > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > > > added.
> > > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > > > throughout March.
> > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > > The ancients do not lie.
> > It is very silly. Very imaginative but very silly nonetheless. It > > appeals to the religious fanatic who willing distorts anything to > > confirm his religious biases.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> Could we expect a Darwinist to say anything else?
Yes, Ray, one could expect a 'Darwinist' to say many things. But the statment he made is correct. Do you dispute it?
> Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > Edited by Debra Tone
> ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > Books.
> Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > kills Abel.
> Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > account.
> "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > said.
> "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > added.
> "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > throughout March.
> The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
<platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote: > All-seeing-I wrote: > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > Books.
> > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > > kills Abel.
> > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > > account.
> > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > > said.
> > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > > added.
> > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > > throughout March.
> This book seems to have slid into obscurity since 2005.
> > ___________________________________________
> > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
> > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
> That's totally false. There were a lot of connections. Which empire had > the Jews captive around the time of construction of the Parthenon? Persia. > Which empire had one helluva lot of contact with the Hellenic world (lots of > wars, ever heard of the battle of Marathon, the battle of Salamis)? Don't > you think they would have heard all these stories and incorporated them in > their myths, or that they had some parallel myths? The Greeks also had a > story that sounded a lot like Abraham, Isaac and the ram.
> [Marathon and Salamis were only a generation or two before the construction > of the Parthenon.]
> All these early Middle Eastern religions, including the Greek, Israelite and > Canaanite ones had connections and some similarities. Trade and contact in > the Eastern Mediterranean was extensive.
Just a survey of the number of religions prior to Christianity that mentioned virgin birth is an eye opener.
On Nov 7, 12:09 pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > The ancients do not lie.
> That being the case, we can assume you also worship Zeus, Hera, > Apollo, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Athena, Diana, Ares, and Hades? That > you believe in naiads, dryads, nereids, and muses?
> Chris
Only if i want to follow the way of "Kain"
For everything on Earth that God has done, Satan has made a counterfit.
The Greek religion isthe counterfit story of Adam's family.
> On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > Books.
> > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > > kills Abel.
> > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > > account.
> > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > > said.
> > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > > added.
> > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > > throughout March.
> > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> On Nov 7, 12:09 pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > The ancients do not lie.
> > That being the case, we can assume you also worship Zeus, Hera, > > Apollo, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Athena, Diana, Ares, and Hades? That > > you believe in naiads, dryads, nereids, and muses?
> > Chris
> Only if i want to follow the way of "Kain"
Cain had nothing to do with the Greek Gods. How could he, as the Greeks were supposedly descendants of Noah?
> For everything on Earth that God has done, Satan has made a > counterfit.
Ie. Creationism.
> The Greek religion isthe counterfit story of Adam's family.
> On Nov 7, 1:20 pm, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > Books.
> > > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > > > kills Abel.
> > > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > > > account.
> > > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > > > said.
> > > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > > > added.
> > > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > > > throughout March.
> > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
Evolution is a well established scientific theory, that is massively supported by the evidence. Your quoted material above is the ramblings of a religious nut.
Why is it wrong to accept science, but right to grasp at this thin straw you've found?
<allseei...@usa.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 12:09 pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> >wrote: >> On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> > The ancients do not lie.
>> That being the case, we can assume you also worship Zeus, Hera, >> Apollo, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Athena, Diana, Ares, and Hades? That >> you believe in naiads, dryads, nereids, and muses?
>> Chris
>Only if i want to follow the way of "Kain"
>For everything on Earth that God has done, Satan has made a >counterfit.
Counterfeit, perhaps, illiterate one?
So to balance you out, somewhere, there is someone with courage, an education, a strong sense of ethics, a healthy dose of common sense, and a willingness to learn new things, and to question dogma.
And who does not tell lies.
>The Greek religion isthe counterfit story of Adam's family.
You failed to show this, in any way shape or form.
All you did was put forth an imbecilic unsubstantiated allegation, which is unremarkably stupid, on its face.
<ap...@email.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote: >> On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT >> > Edited by Debra Tone
>> > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists >> > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the >> > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The >> > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light >> > Books.
>> snipping Woo-Woo press release.
>> > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
>> Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather >> fanciful, and hardly credible.
>> > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
>> Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work >> are suspect.
>> > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are >> > thousands of years old
>> No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, >> which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up >> from whole cloth.
>> > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy >> > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
>> Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the >> claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is >> depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, >> all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient >> Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
>> "The Greeks built the Parthenon to >> celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and >> to >> glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
>> If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did >> "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
>> > The ancients do not lie.
>> The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up >> stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason >> to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with >> the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even >> if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the >> Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
>> DJT
>None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence >for Adam and his genealogy.
It is all apocryphal. There is no evidence Only "interpretations".
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:46:07 -0800 (PST), Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.origins:
>On Nov 7, 9:06 am, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>> It is very silly. Very imaginative but very silly nonetheless. It >> appeals to the religious fanatic who willing distorts anything to >> confirm his religious biases.- Hide quoted text -
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>Could we expect a Darwinist to say anything else?
Can we expect an immoral, lying fool like Ray to ever tell the truth?
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