SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and all dressed alike.
Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and beasts.
And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how they live.
This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
>SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and >there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with >their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and >all dressed alike.
>Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and >Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, >undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. >These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. >They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora >in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
>There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who >study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the >earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and >beasts.
>And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how >they live.
>This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is >the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily >activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
>And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, >is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the >scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country >– or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been >studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require >– from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
looks more like a delusional experience due to drugs or illness...both of which were common at this time due to poor sanitation. more proof that creationism is worthless
there's not a single observation recorded here. there's not a single scientific conclusion or even a reference to any event in nature.
instead we see more proof that creationism is based on magical thinking...demons...ghosts...goblins running around the world using magic.
On Nov 21, 8:47 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> Study of the Stars, Sun and Moon
> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > all dressed alike.
Once upon a time, there were three bears. A daddy bear, a mommy bear, and a baby bear....
> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
One day, mommy bear made porridge, and when they tasted it, daddy bear said it was too hot. So they went for a walk while the porridge cooled....
> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > beasts.
While they were out, a little girl named Goldylocks came to their house. She found the table where there were three bowls of porridge. She tasted the daddy bear's bowl, and it was too hot. The mommy bear's porridge was too cold, but the baby bear's porridge was just right.
> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > they live.
So then she tried the chairs. The daddy bear's chair was too hard. The mommy bear's chair was too soft. The baby bear's chair was just right, so she sat on it, and it broke!
> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
Goldylocks was tired, so she went upstairs, and found three beds. The daddy bear's bed was too hard. The mommy bear's bed was too soft, but the baby bear's bed was just right, and soon she fell asleep.
The three bears came home, and saw the bowls. Daddy bear said 'Someone's been eating my porridge" Mommy bear said "someone's been eating my porridge". Baby bear said 'someone's been eating my porridge, and ate it all up".
Then they saw the three chairs. Daddy bear said "Someone's been sitting in my chair". Mommy bear said "someone's been sitting in my chair". Baby bear said "someone's been sitting in my chair, and broke it".
They hear a noise from upstairs, and went up to see. Daddy bear said "Someone's been sleeping in my bed". Mommy bear said "Someone's been sleeping in my bed". Baby bear said 'Someone's been sleeping in my bed, and she's still here!"
Then Goldylocks woke up, and saw the three bears. She got scared and ran away, and never went back there again....
> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
The extraordinary conclusion, which we can't avoid, is that bears not only can talk, they live in houses in the woods, make porridge, and sleep in beds! It appears that bears investigated every bowl, chair and bed. The implicationsa for animal behavior, ecology, and biodiversity are staggering.
SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and all dressed alike.
Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and beasts.
And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how they live.
This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
Wonderful -- you've stumbled across a group of loonies in England studying coptic texts not accepted as legitimate by anyone but themselves. And the point of your latest quote-mining project would be what, exactly?
> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > all dressed alike.
> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > beasts.
> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > they live.
> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
Or a fantasy by a bunch of goat herders, dreamed up to entertain the kiddies at the camp fire.
> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > all dressed alike.
> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > beasts.
> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > they live.
> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and all dressed alike.
Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and beasts.
And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how they live.
This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > all dressed alike.
> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > beasts.
> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > they live.
> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> Wonderful -- you've stumbled across a group of loonies in England > studying > coptic texts not accepted as legitimate by anyone but themselves. And > the > point of your latest quote-mining project would be what, exactly?
For sanity's sake, don't tell him about Alice Bailey.
> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > all dressed alike.
> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > beasts.
> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > they live.
> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> > SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > > all dressed alike.
> > Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> > There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > > beasts.
> > And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > > they live.
> > This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> > And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:00:22 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in <fc698603-cdc7-439d-bdad-1c2c13b39...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> :
>> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and >> there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with >> their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and >> all dressed alike.
>> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and >> Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, >> undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. >> These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. >> They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora >> in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
>> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who >> study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the >> earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and >> beasts.
>> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how >> they live.
>> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is >> the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily >> activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
>> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, >> is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the >> scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country >> – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been >> studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require >> – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > all dressed alike.
> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > beasts.
> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > they live.
> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> > SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > > all dressed alike.
> > Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> > There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > > beasts.
> > And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > > they live.
> > This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> > And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:00:22 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>Why do you think books such as Enoch is a lie?
we can only say it's a lie if its author meant it to be an accurate portrrayal of events.
no OT author wrote history. they wrote theological treatises...a fact that escapes our creationist friend, who thinks jellyfish are sharks because both are fish
>SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and >there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with >their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and >all dressed alike.
>Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and >Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, >undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. >These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. >They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora >in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
>There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who >study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the >earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and >beasts.
>And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how >they live.
>This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is >the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily >activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
>And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, >is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the >scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country >– or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been >studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require >– from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:00:22 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in > <fc698603-cdc7-439d-bdad-1c2c13b39...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> :
> >On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, "R Brown" <bro...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "All-seeing-I" <ap...@email.com> wrote in message
> >> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > >> there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > >> their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > >> all dressed alike.
> >> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > >> Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > >> undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > >> These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > >> They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > >> in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> >> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > >> study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > >> earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > >> beasts.
> >> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > >> they live.
> >> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > >> the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > >> activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> >> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > >> is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > >> scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > >> – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > >> studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > >> – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > all dressed alike.
> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > beasts.
> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > they live.
> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
This is quite reminiscent of the Vedic accounts, substituting "devas"(demigods) for "angels".
The Vedic cosmos is laid out as 7 planetary systems, of which the earth is the first or lowest, followed by increasingly subtle systems of which the sixth would be "tapoloka", the place where great penences or austerities are performed for self-realization and the welfare of the universe.
This citation from Enoch contributes to the case for an ancient worldwide culture.
Too bad the fanatical materialists haven't any taste for this. For them, the universe is dead and empty except for the human beings on this planet, who make up a tiny minority of living beings.
>> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and >> there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with >> their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and >> all dressed alike.
>> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and >> Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, >> undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. >> These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. >> They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora >> in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
>> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who >> study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the >> earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and >> beasts.
>> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how >> they live.
>> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is >> the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily >> activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
>> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, >> is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the >> scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country >> – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been >> studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require >> – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
>> --------------------------- >> You're saying that stuff like this gets in your way of accepting the Theory >> of Evolution?
>Why do you think books such as Enoch is a lie?
They are fiction. Why do people write fiction? Because some people like to read it.
Simple when you think about it. You should try thinking some times.
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to? Certainly I don't.
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:00:23 +0000 (UTC), Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
>This is quite reminiscent of the Vedic accounts, substituting >"devas"(demigods) for "angels".
oh. well, then. perfectly normal. i mean, who but god could have observed the changing of the seasons, right? no mere mortal could have seen leaves changing, the weather getting colder, etc....it MUST have been god.
which means we got ALOT of gods here in PA 'cuz the leaves are changing, etc. golly. someday some moron like 'kalkidas' is gonna read my post and think i'm god!
>The Vedic cosmos is laid out as 7 planetary systems, of which the earth >is the first or lowest, followed by increasingly subtle systems of which >the sixth would be "tapoloka", the place where great penences or >austerities are performed for self-realization and the welfare of the >universe.
i think it's more like tapioca where all the puddings come together to decide which is the best.
>This citation from Enoch contributes to the case for an ancient worldwide >culture.
actually it doesn't. because we know some stories are just stories....the exodus, for example...unless, of course, your vedic scriptures have hindus enslaving the jews...
>Too bad the fanatical materialists haven't any taste for this. For them, >the universe is dead and empty except for the human beings on this >planet, who make up a tiny minority of living beings.
in your opinon. we scientists think of the universe as a pretty fantastic place, full of discovery,
instead of the delusional, wizard of oz view you creationists have
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:47:06 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
<ap...@email.com> wrote: > SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with
-- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
> On Nov 21, 3:39 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:00:22 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I > > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in > > <fc698603-cdc7-439d-bdad-1c2c13b39...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> :
> > >On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, "R Brown" <bro...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> "All-seeing-I" <ap...@email.com> wrote in message
> > >> SE XIX: 1-5 PP] After this, the men brought me to the sixth haven, and > > >> there I saw seven groups of Angels, very bright and wonderful, with > > >> their faces shining brighter than the Sun. They were brilliant, and > > >> all dressed alike.
> > >> Some of these Angels study the movements of the Stars, the Sun and > > >> Moon, and record the peaceful order of World. Other Angels, there, > > >> undertake teaching and give instruction in clear and melodious voices. > > >> These are the Archangels who are promoted over the ordinary Angels. > > >> They are responsible for recording (and studying) the fauna and flora > > >> in both the Highlands and the Lowlands.
> > >> There are Angels who record the seasons and the years; others who > > >> study the rivers and the seas; others who study the fruits of the > > >> earth, and the plants and herbs that give nourishment to men and > > >> beasts.
> > >> And there Angels study Mankind and record the behaviour of men and how > > >> they live.
> > >> This record of the sixth place to which Enoch was taken within Eden is > > >> the fullest statement that we have, anywhere, of the actual daily > > >> activities of the Angels/Anannage in the Settlement of Eden/Kharsag.
> > >> And the extraordinary conclusion, which we find that we cannot avoid, > > >> is that these recorded activities appear to be compatible with the > > >> scientific interests of an exploration expedition into unknown country > > >> – or, perhaps, onto an unknown planet. Its members appear to have been > > >> studying every facet of science which such an expedition would require > > >> – from geology to botany, and from astronomy to anthropology.
> > >> --------------------------- > > >> You're saying that stuff like this gets in your way of accepting the Theory > > >> of Evolution?
> > >Why do you think books such as Enoch is a lie?
> > Let's see. From earlier in the same text, we find this passage, in > > Chapter 11, verse 6:
> > And six-winged ones issue with the angels before the sun's wheel > > into the fiery flames, and a hundred angels kindle the sun and > > set it alight.
> > So, do angels light the sun on fire every morning, or is that a lie?- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> Well, if you understood the ancient texts you would understand their > use of metaphor.
Do you read any of the languages of your ancient texts? What languages were the original copies written in? What languages were they passed down orally before they were written down? Unless you are fluent in reading the original languages you are depending on someone else's translation and their rendering of any metaphors, subtext, allusions, puns, in-jokes and references to older, no longer available texts and traditions. Speak not of metaphor or hidden meanings in ancient texts unless and until you can at least read the original languages.
BTW, there are a lot of old texts and, frankly, they tend to contradict each other. And known history, and frankly, reality. How many circles have you seen where the value of pi is exactly 3? Yet one well known text claims that value.
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:00:22 -0800, All-Seeing-I wrote: > On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, "R Brown" <bro...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> "All-seeing-I" <ap...@email.com> wrote in message >> [Enoch snipped]
>> --------------------------- >> You're saying that stuff like this gets in your way of accepting the >> Theory of Evolution?
> Why do you think books such as Enoch is a lie?
We don't; we think it is folklore. Until you interpreted it, it had some value.
Why do you think the earth itself is a lie?
-- Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net "It is certain, from experience, that the smallest grain of natural honesty and benevolence has more effect on men's conduct, than the most pompous views suggested by theological theories and systems." - D. Hume
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