Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four forces.
I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever mentioned gods in them.
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Desertphile wrote: > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > forces.
> I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > mentioned gods in them.
Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> Desertphile wrote: > > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > > forces.
> > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > > mentioned gods in them.
> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation > for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> Desertphile wrote: > > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > > forces.
> > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > > mentioned gods in them.
> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation > for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
> Both of these work! Hallelujah!
Only if they never shave with a certain razor nor mention its name.
> Desertphile wrote: >> Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in >> Lincoln, >> Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" >> curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" >> while >> learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, >> subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. >> I >> assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the >> four >> forces.
>> I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, >> mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I >> admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my >> algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things >> ever >> mentioned gods in them.
> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical > equation for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form > water:
> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
<kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Desertphile wrote: > > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > > forces.
> > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > > mentioned gods in them. > Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation > for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
> Both of these work! Hallelujah!
Ah, so it doesn't involve free energy, or perpetual motion, or antigravity units. Damn.
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On Nov 2, 6:18 pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > mentioned gods in them.
If my experience at Walla Walla College, a sister SDA school, is any indication, there is no God in the mix. He is applied liberally to the walls and ceilings as a decoration, but the business in the center of the classroom goes on mostly unmolested.
>>> I have been wondering how one adds gods to >>> biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics; >>> damned if I can think of any way. I admit I have >>> no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my >>> algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of >>> these things ever mentioned gods in them.
>> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of >> the chemical equation for the reaction of >> hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
>> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
>> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
>> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
>> Both of these work! Hallelujah!
> God is free energy?
So, God is an inherently negative quantity?
Since, I mean, that equation is more usually written as:
In article <9b4ve5tnbmg889idqtntnbmrqer6ikp...@4ax.com>,
Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote: > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > forces.
> I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > mentioned gods in them.
* D'Phile: Greetings!
I suspect that Union College uses about the same directive on how to teach science that Bob Jones (no relation) University uses:
"The Christian teaching of science requires not only a good command of basic subject matter, but also the spiritual perception to discern truth from error in a great variety of contexts. As a prerequisite for this, the Christian teacher of science must be thoroughly grounded in the Word of God. Moreover, he must have firmly implanted in his mind a biblical framework of truth which serves as the touchstone for his decision making. True science will fit that framework; anything that fails to fit the biblical framework must be rejected as erroneous. The present discussion demonstrates the need for a distinctively Christian philosophy of science teaching and surveys the differences between Christian and secular science education."
--Bob Jones University, "Christian Teaching of Science"
> Desertphile wrote: > > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > > forces.
> > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > > mentioned gods in them.
> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation > for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
> Both of these work! Hallelujah!
* The second reaction is unbalanced. You put God in and no God comes out.
> In article <hco6an$17...@aioe.org>, Caranx latus <kar...@sympatico.ca> > wrote:
> > Desertphile wrote: > > > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > > > forces.
> > > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > > > mentioned gods in them.
> > Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation > > for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
> > 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> > And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> > 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
> > Both of these work! Hallelujah!
> * > The second reaction is unbalanced. You put God in and no God comes out.
> (Sounds like the Hokey-Pokey to me!)
I'm not a theist, so I'm a bit fuzzy on theist chemistry (and I didn't take chemistry past the high school level). How about:
2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O + God
Would that make God a catalyst? We're always being told that complex molecules can't assemble themselves.
Mike Lyle wrote: > Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >> rmacfarl wrote: >>> "Caranx latus" <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > [...] >>>> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of >>>> the chemical equation for the reaction of >>>> hydrogen with oxygen to form water: >>>> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O >>>> And here's the theist version of the same equation: >>>> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O >>>> Both of these work! Hallelujah! >>> God is free energy? >> So, God is an inherently negative quantity?
> Of course. "Gott ist ein lauter nichts, ihn rührt kein Nun noch Hier."
ah, Silesius. But a bit of a quote mine ;o)
Wer hätte das vermeint! Aus Finsternis kommts Licht, Das Leben aus dem Tod, das Etwas aus dem Nicht
<earle.jo...@comcast.net> wrote: > In article <9b4ve5tnbmg889idqtntnbmrqer6ikp...@4ax.com>, > Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > > forces.
> > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > > mentioned gods in them.
> * > D'Phile: Greetings!
> I suspect that Union College uses about the same directive on how to > teach science that Bob Jones (no relation) University uses:
> "The Christian teaching of science requires not only a good > command of basic subject matter, but also the spiritual perception > to discern truth from error in a great variety of contexts. As a > prerequisite for this, the Christian teacher of science must be > thoroughly grounded in the Word of God. Moreover, he must have > firmly implanted in his mind a biblical framework of truth which > serves as the touchstone for his decision making. True science > will fit that framework; anything that fails to fit the biblical > framework must be rejected as erroneous. The present discussion > demonstrates the need for a distinctively Christian philosophy of > science teaching and surveys the differences between Christian and > secular science education."
> --Bob Jones University, "Christian Teaching of Science"
Wow. Just.... wow. "True science" as compared to "science:" I had no ideathere was such a demarcation. Gods.
> * > Want to send your kids to Bob Jones? > earle (also a jones)
My children aren't allowed it: they're black.
> *
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> Ah, so it doesn't involve free energy, or perpetual motion, or > antigravity units. Damn.
I have a PPM machine that nearly works, Send money and I will fix it and share with you.
Lest you doubt me My first PPM machine was working well and I hooked the output to the input and it blew up. I can show you a depression in my back yard if you don't believe me. My second was a free energy device. I hooked it to my antigrav and the cat chewed through the rope holding it down, (The cat came back, the very next day.) I still have the cat.
Caranx latus <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >On Nov 3, 2:41 pm, Earle Jones <earle.jo...@comcast.net> wrote: >> In article <hco6an$17...@aioe.org>, Caranx latus <kar...@sympatico.ca> >> wrote:
>> > Desertphile wrote: >> > > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, >> > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" >> > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while >> > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, >> > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I >> > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four >> > > forces.
>> > > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, >> > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I >> > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my >> > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever >> > > mentioned gods in them.
>> > Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation >> > for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
>> > 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
>> > And here's the theist version of the same equation:
>> > 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
>> > Both of these work! Hallelujah!
>> * >> The second reaction is unbalanced. You put God in and no God comes out.
>> (Sounds like the Hokey-Pokey to me!) >I'm not a theist, so I'm a bit fuzzy on theist chemistry (and I didn't >take chemistry past the high school level). How about: > 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O + God >Would that make God a catalyst? We're always being told that complex >molecules can't assemble themselves.
Well, that's wrong. Some complex molecules do self-assemble. You can modify DNA so that it will self-assemble into a number of interesting structures including crystals, cubes, and a ratchet-type motor.
This stuff is moving so fast that it is hard to keep up with.
> Desertphile wrote: > > Is there anyone here who has attended Union College in Lincoln, > > Nebraska? I was looking over their "Science and Mathematics" > > curriculum wherein it says one will "discover the creator" while > > learning about, and getting Bachelor of Science degrees in, > > subjects such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics. I > > assume they mean gods when they write "creator," and not the four > > forces.
> > I have been wondering how one adds gods to biology, chemistry, > > mathematics, and physics; damned if I can think of any way. I > > admit I have no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > > algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of these things ever > > mentioned gods in them.
> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of the chemical equation > for the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
> Both of these work! Hallelujah!
You mean: 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O + God Hallelujah!
> > Ah, so it doesn't involve free energy, or perpetual motion, or > > antigravity units. Damn.
> I have a PPM machine that nearly works, Send money and I will fix it and > share with you.
> Lest you doubt me > My first PPM machine was working well and I hooked the output to the input > and it blew up. > I can show you a depression in my back yard if you don't believe me. > My second was a free energy device. I hooked it to my antigrav and the cat > chewed through the rope holding it down, > (The cat came back, > the very next day.) > I still have the cat.
Admit it. You cheated and used the ancient texts for your blueprints.
> > Ah, so it doesn't involve free energy, or perpetual motion, or > > antigravity units. Damn.
> I have a PPM machine that nearly works, Send money and I will fix it and > share with you.
> Lest you doubt me
> My first PPM machine was working well and I hooked the output to the input > and it blew up.
> I can show you a depression in my back yard if you don't believe me. > My second was a free energy device. I hooked it to my antigrav and the cat > chewed through the rope holding it down, > (The cat came back, the very next day.) I still have the cat.
Heh! Now and then I get "free energy" believers telling me they are "close" and they only need some funding to achieve the miracle. YouTube has a few such people begging for money so that they can "give the world" their device once it's working.
Bloody sad, too. At least one of them is a nice person to plays guitar and sings (not well).
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> >>> I have been wondering how one adds gods to > >>> biology, chemistry, mathematics, and physics; > >>> damned if I can think of any way. I admit I have > >>> no idea what the calculus is or can do, and my > >>> algebra sucks, but nobody I ever heard speak of > >>> these things ever mentioned gods in them.
> >> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of > >> the chemical equation for the reaction of > >> hydrogen with oxygen to form water:
> >> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
> >> And here's the theist version of the same equation:
> >> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O
> >> Both of these work! Hallelujah!
> > God is free energy?
> So, God is an inherently negative quantity?
> Since, I mean, that equation is more usually written > as:
> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O + free energy
> the reaction being exothermic and all.
> xanthian.
Yes, I was pondering that conundrum myself after I posted it.
Inherently negative? Or perhaps anti-matter?
You would need a small amount of energy to initiate the initial reaction. Technically not free energy of course. But perhaps a viable metaphor for a naturalistic God? - The spark that ignites the chain reaction?
Burkhard wrote: > Mike Lyle wrote: >> Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >>> rmacfarl wrote: >>>> "Caranx latus" <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> [...] >>>>> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of >>>>> the chemical equation for the reaction of >>>>> hydrogen with oxygen to form water: >>>>> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O >>>>> And here's the theist version of the same equation: >>>>> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O >>>>> Both of these work! Hallelujah! >>>> God is free energy? >>> So, God is an inherently negative quantity?
>> Of course. "Gott ist ein lauter nichts, ihn rührt kein Nun noch >> Hier." > ah, Silesius. But a bit of a quote mine ;o)
Well, a bit. But this place often seems to be quote-mine central, so it was probably my turn.
> Wer hätte das vermeint! Aus Finsternis kommts Licht, > Das Leben aus dem Tod, das Etwas aus dem Nicht
Mike Lyle wrote: > Burkhard wrote: >> Mike Lyle wrote: >>> Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >>>> rmacfarl wrote: >>>>> "Caranx latus" <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> [...] >>>>>> Are you kidding me? Here's the atheist version of >>>>>> the chemical equation for the reaction of >>>>>> hydrogen with oxygen to form water: >>>>>> 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O >>>>>> And here's the theist version of the same equation: >>>>>> 2H2 + O2 + God -> 2H2O >>>>>> Both of these work! Hallelujah! >>>>> God is free energy? >>>> So, God is an inherently negative quantity?
>>> Of course. "Gott ist ein lauter nichts, ihn rührt kein Nun noch >>> Hier." >> ah, Silesius. But a bit of a quote mine ;o)
> Well, a bit. But this place often seems to be quote-mine central, so > it was probably my turn.
>> Wer hätte das vermeint! Aus Finsternis kommts Licht, >> Das Leben aus dem Tod, das Etwas aus dem Nicht
> ...but the Creation from Handel.
...while it all comes together in Haydn's Messiah. Hard to find a good recording, though.
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