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spintronic  
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 More options Nov 15 2009, 8:29 pm
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From: spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:29:38 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 15 2009 8:29 pm
Subject: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
DA posted this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCKqj-2JXZg

And asked the above question.

Since the video was BS, and he used the mass of the earth instead of
the surface area we live on, and other gibberish innacuracies.

Here is food for thought.

In the video he claims that:

99.9999999999999999999999999999999999927%

of the universe cannot support human life.
****************************************************

So by his logic.

The surface area of this planet we call home is
so finely tuned to support human life, that the total
percentage of places in the entire universe that can
do the job are;

0.0000000000000000000000000000000000073%

And we happen to live on the only one (According to his math).

I'd say that's damn good fine tuning, for the little planet we call
home.


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Discussion subject changed to "Spinny Is Still A Retard 2" by Andre Lieven
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 More options Nov 15 2009, 8:42 pm
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From: Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:42:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Spinny Is Still A Retard 2
On Nov 15, 2:29 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Continued to exhibit it's extreme brain damage. Nothing new...

Andre


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Discussion subject changed to "Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2" by Boikat
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 More options Nov 15 2009, 8:57 pm
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From: Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:57:05 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 1:29 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

We fit in the part of the Universe lif as we know it arose and
diversified, not the other way around, fool.  But I gess you were too
busy trying to think of some sort of "logical" rebutal to the video.
You failed.

Boikat


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 8:59 pm
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From: spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:59:11 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Spinny Is Still A Retard 2
On 15 Nov, 19:42, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 2:29 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

.
. (BLANK)

> Continued to exhibit it's extreme brain damage.

A blank did that? Wow.

Oh I get it, you meant "spintronic".

Well, "spintronic's" a "HE", not an "it".

An undamaged brain would know the difference.


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Discussion subject changed to "Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2" by spintronic
spintronic  
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 More options Nov 15 2009, 9:22 pm
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From: spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:22:23 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On 15 Nov, 19:57, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

.
.

> We fit in the part of the Universe lif as we know it arose

You got the last 4 words wrong.

> and diversified, not the other way around, fool.

So matter didn't diversify, arise, and fit into the part of the
universe we inhabit?

I mean, that's what you'e saying right? <--> reversed.

> But I gess you were too busy trying to think of some sort of "logical" rebutal to the video.

I don't even need logic to discredit this video. He does it all on his
own.

You do realise, this fraud is banned on youtube right?
You do realise, that's not even his own voice, right?

> You failed.

I never fail.

And you never fail to amuse.


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 9:36 pm
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From: Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:36:23 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 11:29 am, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

 So if you take your car to the mechanics and he detunes all the other
cars in the shop, your satisfied that yours is now finely tuned?

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 More options Nov 15 2009, 9:47 pm
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From: chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:47:52 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 2:29 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So the surface of the planet is fine-tuned for human life.

Interesting idea.

We can eliminate about 70% of it right off, since humans cannot
survive in water.

We can eliminate one whole continent- Antarctica- because humans
cannot survive there- and I doubt even you would claim it's fine-tuned
for human life.

Let's see. There's another set of land that's too high up for humans
to thrive- oh, we can survive in Nepal and Tibet and parts of the
Andean Cordillera, but would you say they are fine-tuned for human
life?

Now let's look at the land area covered by extreme deserts- the Gobi,
the Sahara, the Namib.

Fine-tuned? I'd say not.

We're fast running low on parts of the planet's surface, wouldn't you
say?

And now there's a huge area of the planet that seems more finely-tuned
for humans to act as incubators for parasites like liver flukes and
_Plasmodium_ wouldn't you say?

Finely-tuned? Heh.

Chris


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 9:58 pm
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From: Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:58:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 15 2009 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 2:22 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Evasion, noted.

> > and diversified, not the other way around, fool.

> So matter didn't diversify, arise, and fit into the part of the
> universe we inhabit?

Whee did I even hint at that?

> I mean, that's what you'e saying right? <--> reversed.

Wrong.

> > But I gess you were too busy trying to think of some sort of "logical" rebutal to the video.

> I don't even need logic to discredit this video. He does it all on his
> own.

Well, it's a good thing you've avoided using logic then, isn't it?

> You do realise, this fraud is banned on youtube right?

Where was the "fraud"?

> You do realise, that's not even his own voice, right?

Irrelevent.

> > You failed.

> I never fail.

Sorry to break this to you, but you are awake now, this is not your
dream world.

> And you never fail to amuse.

You didn't.

Boikat


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:07 pm
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From: spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:07:01 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On 15 Nov, 20:47, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 2:29 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

.
.

> So the surface of the planet is fine-tuned for human life.

> Interesting idea.

> We can eliminate about 70% of it right off,

I wouldn't throw numbers at me if I were you,

especially since you just got a major humiliation in our last
encounter.


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:05 pm
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From: spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:05:14 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On 15 Nov, 20:36, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'd say my car was now "special".

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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:07 pm
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From: Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:07:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On 15 Nov, 19:29, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I am not the author of the video in question, so perhaps instead of
accusing me of being in error you should take the matter up with the
author of the video instead.

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From: Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:22:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On 15 Nov, 19:29, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> DA posted this video

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCKqj-2JXZg

> And asked the above question.

> Since the video was BS, and he used the mass of the earth instead of
> the surface area we live on, and other gibberish innacuracies.

The author of the video didn't once mention the mass of the earth.

You also seem to have missed the fact that before he presented this
figure he said:

"lets assume ... that every single star in every single galaxy has an
earth-like planet orbiting it"

So I believe you should at the very least admit that your comments are
in error.


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:28 pm
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From: "PepsiFr...@teranews.com" <bobsyoung...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:28:48 -0500
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2

"spintronic" <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:42a09f26-bc06-4784-867e-a4a6847ad484@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

Bwahahahaaaaaaaa  ...............
With that same type of deranged lunacy - a "star wars" missle that explodes
100 miles from its incoming target missle is a success.

It is not according to "his math" - it is according to claims made by
ignorant creationists - like you.
( You know - like the type who changes the goal posts by ignoring the fact
that the discussion was about a "fine tuned UNIVERSE - NOT a fine tuned
earth!)


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:32 pm
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From: Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:32:38 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 4:05 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> moronised:

Fair enough, then it matches you, who are also "spacial", in the
"Special Olympics" definition of the term.

The difference being is that they didn't choose to be "special", but
you DID choose to be a retard. HTH.

Andre


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:49 pm
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:49:56 -0800
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2

So you reject the claim that the universe is fine tuned, and retreat to
the claim that certain portions of the surface of the earth are fine tuned.

Are you surprised that we live in a place we find habitable?


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:57 pm
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:57:27 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 1:29 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

It looks like it was designed just for life as we know it, eh?

Of course.

 There can be no other reasonable explanation unless you LIKE to
believe in fairy tales like evolution. The same speciation divergence
that no one has ever witnessed taking place BTW.


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 More options Nov 15 2009, 11:02 pm
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:02:59 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 2:57 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:

Only if you realize that "life as we know it" has shaped the planet to
fit it.  The early Earth would not have supported most modern life.

> Of course.

Of course, if you remain ignorant.....

>  There can be no other reasonable explanation unless you LIKE to
> believe in fairy tales like evolution.

Your own explanation is not reasonable, and evolution is a scientific
theory, not a "fairy tale".  Ironically, you choose to believe ancient
texts, which record folk tales, over the scientific evidence.

>The same speciation divergence
> that no one has ever witnessed taking place BTW.

Speciation has been observed many times.   You keep ignoring the
evidence.

DJT


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From: All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:59:37 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 2:47 pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Right. Obviously fine tuned.

If it were not fine tuned then even evolution would not be able to
take place. Right?


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:08:17 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 3:07 pm, Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Guilt by association.

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 More options Nov 15 2009, 11:09 pm
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:09:37 +0000
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:59:37 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
<allseei...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Evolution fine tunes life to survive on Earth.

--
Bob.

Blessed are the Fundamentalists, for they shall inhibit the earth.


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From: All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:11:43 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 4:02 pm, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:

ATTN LURKERS.
This subject is a prime example of the evolutionist double standard/
double talk.

The universe is NOT fine tuned if it is to show creation

BUT

The universe IS fine tuned to allow life to evolve.

Without the finely tuned processes, not even evolution could take
place.


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Ye Old One  
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 More options Nov 15 2009, 11:36 pm
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:36:39 +0000
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:08:17 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
<allseei...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

You are.

--
Bob.

Blessed are the Fundamentalists, for they shall inhibit the earth.


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:38:50 +0000
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:11:43 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
<allseei...@usa.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Lying, scientifically illiterate arsehole.

Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-

That 3.5% actually means 25%...

That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...

That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...

That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited
some facet of some religion...

To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...

To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of
rock...

That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me
laugh]

And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...

That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle
East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah
and his sons rebuilt mankind.

Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.

Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.

Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to?
Certainly I don't.

--
Bob.


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From: Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:50:58 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Nov 15, 1:05 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

But not finely tuned?  Your argument seemed to be that tuning was
relative.

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:57:23 -0500
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Subject: Re: Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life? 2
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:57:27 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I

<allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>Of course.

> There can be no other reasonable explanation unless you LIKE to
>believe in fairy tales like evolution. The same speciation divergence
>that no one has ever witnessed taking place BTW.

ghosts can't design anything. and creationism is a ghost based view of
reality

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