When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs were spread from continent to continent, such as the Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. Ken
Ken S. Tucker wrote: > When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > were spread from continent to continent, such as the > Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs.
Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote: > > When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > > were spread from continent to continent, such as the > > Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > > migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs.
> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must > understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just > dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
Think of sea birds.
I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and attracted the asteroid.
Ken S. Tucker wrote: > When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > were spread from continent to continent, such as the > Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs.
Robert Bakker, the famous paleontologist who worked to establish dinosaur warm-bloodedness, refused to accept the bolide impact theory of dinosaur extinction for many years.
He held to a theory similar to yours: That as continental drift and the lowering of sea levels brought isolated species together, they killed each other off by spreading their contagious diseases.
There are a lot of problems with his theory and your theory: Why weren't mammals affected by their own plagues? In our time, rats have spread bubonic plague. Why weren't crocodiles killed off? Why were the sea-going plesiosaurs killed off? Why were the flying pterodactyls killed off? And wouldn't the spreading of the Atlantic Ocean during the Cretaceous have made a worldwide plague less likely?
And finally, what kind of a plague would cause a 100.000% mortality rate among every single species of dinosaur, from the smallest to the largest? Not even a few dinosaurs had natural immunity, as is the case with most plagues in recorded history?
Still, this teaches a lesson for the debates over global warming and other scientific issues: There are always a very few dissenters from the prevailing scientific consensus. Occasionally they turn out to be right. But most of the time, they are wrong.
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<sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote: >And finally, what kind of a plague would cause a 100.000% mortality rate >among every single species of dinosaur, from the smallest to the >largest?
Ron O wrote: > On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> Ken S. Tucker wrote: >>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs >>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the >>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps >>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. >> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must >> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just >> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
> Think of sea birds.
> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic > activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected > the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and > attracted the asteroid.
No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
On Nov 7, 11:45 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:48:29 -0500, "Steven L."
> <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >And finally, what kind of a plague would cause a 100.000% mortality rate > >among every single species of dinosaur, from the smallest to the > >largest?
>Ron O wrote: >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
>> Think of sea birds.
>> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and >> attracted the asteroid.
>No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
That's flying *feral* chickens.
Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle fowl, so they were all feral.
Never mind... --
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless
> Ken S. Tucker wrote: > > When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > > were spread from continent to continent, such as the > > Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > > migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs.
> Robert Bakker, the famous paleontologist who worked to establish > dinosaur warm-bloodedness, refused to accept the bolide impact theory of > dinosaur extinction for many years.
> He held to a theory similar to yours: That as continental drift and the > lowering of sea levels brought isolated species together, they killed > each other off by spreading their contagious diseases.
> There are a lot of problems with his theory and your theory: Why > weren't mammals affected by their own plagues? In our time, rats have > spread bubonic plague. Why weren't crocodiles killed off? Why were the > sea-going plesiosaurs killed off? Why were the flying pterodactyls > killed off? And wouldn't the spreading of the Atlantic Ocean during the > Cretaceous have made a worldwide plague less likely?
> And finally, what kind of a plague would cause a 100.000% mortality rate > among every single species of dinosaur, from the smallest to the > largest? Not even a few dinosaurs had natural immunity, as is the case > with most plagues in recorded history?
> Still, this teaches a lesson for the debates over global warming and > other scientific issues: There are always a very few dissenters from the > prevailing scientific consensus. Occasionally they turn out to be > right. But most of the time, they are wrong. > Steven L.
Steven (and all) what do we know about the evolution of disease and then the evolution (or reaction) of antibodies and white blood cells? (a bit rhetorical).
Our dinner party discussion began with our current swine flu and then carried back in time, to a super flu the dinosaurs and many of it's relatives could not adapt to quickly enough to prevent the population from falling to extinction levels, that immune species would niche occupy.
The discussion then proceeded to Avian flu, then to migration, and the time at which birds evolved migration. I think this is the best group to get expert opinion, evidentially. Thanks Ken
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared > in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman > <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
> >Ron O wrote: > >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: > >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the > >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. > >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must > >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just > >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
> >> Think of sea birds.
> >> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic > >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected > >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and > >> attracted the asteroid.
> >No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening > >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
> That's flying *feral* chickens.
> Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle > fowl, so they were all feral.
> Never mind... > --
> Bob C.
> "Evidence confirming an observation is > evidence that the observation is wrong." > - McNameless-
I remember it as "feral flying chickens," but in any case it had to be before any intelligent thought existed so likely it did come before domestication.
The good old days when the scientific creationist actually had some models that they would try to defend.
> On Nov 7, 12:50 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman >> <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
>> >Ron O wrote: >> >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: >> >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs >> >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the >> >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps >> >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. >> >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must >> >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just >> >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
>> >> Think of sea birds.
>> >> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic >> >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected >> >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and >> >> attracted the asteroid.
>> >No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening >> >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
>> That's flying *feral* chickens.
>> Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle >> fowl, so they were all feral.
>> Never mind... >> --
>> Bob C.
>> "Evidence confirming an observation is >> evidence that the observation is wrong." >> - McNameless-
> I remember it as "feral flying chickens," but in any case it had to be > before any intelligent thought existed so likely it did come before > domestication.
> The good old days when the scientific creationist actually had some > models that they would try to defend.
And a whole lot more amusing.
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> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared > in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman > <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
> >Ron O wrote: > >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: > >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the > >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. > >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must > >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just > >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
> >> Think of sea birds.
> >> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic > >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected > >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and > >> attracted the asteroid.
> >No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening > >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
> That's flying *feral* chickens.
> Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle > fowl, so they were all feral.
> Never mind... > --
> Bob C.
> "Evidence confirming an observation is > evidence that the observation is wrong." > - McNameless- Hide quoted text -
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared > in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman > <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
> >Ron O wrote: > >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: > >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the > >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. > >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must > >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just > >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
> >> Think of sea birds.
> >> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic > >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected > >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and > >> attracted the asteroid.
> >No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening > >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
> That's flying *feral* chickens.
> Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle > fowl, so they were all feral.
chris thompson wrote: > On Nov 7, 1:50 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman >> <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
>>> Ron O wrote: >>>> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: >>>>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: >>>>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs >>>>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the >>>>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps >>>>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. >>>>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must >>>>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just >>>>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation. >>>> Think of sea birds. >>>> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic >>>> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected >>>> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and >>>> attracted the asteroid. >>> No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening >>> the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter. >> That's flying *feral* chickens.
>> Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle >> fowl, so they were all feral.
> On Nov 7, 10:50 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared > > in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman > > <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
> > >Ron O wrote: > > >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: > > >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: > > >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs > > >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the > > >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps > > >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. > > >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must > > >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just > > >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
> > >> Think of sea birds.
> > >> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic > > >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected > > >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and > > >> attracted the asteroid.
> > >No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening > > >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
> > That's flying *feral* chickens.
> > Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle > > fowl, so they were all feral.
> > Never mind... > > --
> > Bob C.
> > "Evidence confirming an observation is > > evidence that the observation is wrong." > > - McNameless- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> But did they taste like dinosaur?
> Harry K-
Some people claim they taste like amphibians, but my guess is that is due to the high degree of random loss of olfactory and taste genes among humans. "Tastes like chicken" tells me that a lot of people don't know what chicken tastes like.
>On Nov 7, 10:50 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman >> <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
>> >Ron O wrote: >> >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: >> >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs >> >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the >> >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps >> >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. >> >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must >> >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just >> >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
>> >> Think of sea birds.
>> >> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic >> >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected >> >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and >> >> attracted the asteroid.
>> >No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening >> >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
>> That's flying *feral* chickens.
>> Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle >> fowl, so they were all feral.
>> Never mind... >But did they taste like dinosaur?
Of course. And they still do.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless
>On Nov 7, 12:50 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:46:49 -0800, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman >> <jharsh...@pacbell.net>:
>> >Ron O wrote: >> >> On Nov 7, 8:31 am, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote: >> >>>> When birds evolved to migratory capability, flu bugs >> >>>> were spread from continent to continent, such as the >> >>>> Aztecs were hit by human to human contact, so perhaps >> >>>> migratory birds spreaded germs among dinosaurs. >> >>> Did they also spread germs among ammonites and forams? You must >> >>> understand that the K/T extinction affected a lot more than just >> >>> dinosaurs, so you need a general explanation.
>> >> Think of sea birds.
>> >> I don't know how birds would have affected the massive volcanic >> >> activity of the time and the bolide impact. They may have affected >> >> the felt effect of gravity, disrupted the crustal integrity and >> >> attracted the asteroid.
>> >No, it wasn't the sea birds. It was all the flying chickens darkening >> >the skies, and bringing on a nuclear winter.
>> That's flying *feral* chickens.
>> Oh, wait, this was prior to the domestication of jungle >> fowl, so they were all feral.
>> Never mind... >I remember it as "feral flying chickens," but in any case it had to be >before any intelligent thought existed so likely it did come before >domestication.
>The good old days when the scientific creationist actually had some >models that they would try to defend.
We didn't know what we were losing when Ted and Karl were replaced by Ray and The Many Faces of Addled Maniac.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless
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