A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after the theoretical Big Bang.
These and other galaxies from the universe's childhood could help shed light on the conditions that governed the early universe.
With recent technological advances, astronomers have been able to observe more of the so-called reionization era, the farthest back in time that astronomers can observe.
Universe's first light
For the first few hundred thousand years after the Big Bang (which took place about 13.7 billion years ago), the universe was a hot, murky mess, with no light radiating out. Because there is no residual light from that early epoch, scientists can't observe any traces of it.
But about 400,000 years after the Big Bang, temperatures in the universe cooled, electrons and protons joined to form neutral hydrogen (meaning it had no charge), and the murk cleared. Some time before 1 billion years after the Big Bang, neutral hydrogen began to form stars in the first galaxies, which radiated energy and changed the hydrogen back to being ionized, or charged. This was what astronomers call the reionization period.
But while astronomers know that this period was over by about the time the universe was 1 billion years old, they don't know exactly when it began — when the first stars and galaxies began to illuminate the universe. They also don't know whether reionization started gradually or instantly.
To help answer this question a team of astronomers led by Masami Ouchi of the Carnegie Observatories used a technique for finding some of the early, extremely distant galaxies.
"We look for 'dropout' galaxies," Ouchi said. "We use progressively redder filters that reveal increasing wavelengths of light and watch which galaxies disappear from or 'dropout' of images made using those filters."
Dropout galaxies
The specific wavelengths of light at which the 'dropout' galaxies appear can tell astronomer's their distance and age.
Ouchi and his colleagues studied an area over 100 times larger than any previous such study and so had a larger sample of galaxies.
"Plus, we were able to confirm one galaxy's age," Ouchi said. "Since all the galaxies were found using the same dropout technique, they are likely to be the same age."
The team's observations were made from 2006 to 2009 with the wide-field camera of the 8.3-meter Subaru Telescope in Hawaii.
Ouchi and his team compared their observations with those from other studies looked at the rates of star formation, which can be gleaned from data on the density and brightness of galaxies, and found that they were dramatically lower from 800 millions years to about one billion years after the Big Bang, than thereafter.
Accordingly, they calculated that the rate of ionization would be very slow during this early time, because of this low star-formation rate.
"We were really surprised that the rate of ionization seems so low, which would constitute a contradiction with the claim of NASA's WMAP satellite. It concluded that reionization started no later than 600 million years after the Big Bang," Ouchi said.
"We think this riddle might be explained by more efficient ionizing photon production rates in early galaxies," he added. "The formation of massive stars may have been much more vigorous than in today's galaxies. Fewer, massive stars produce more ionizing photons than many smaller stars."
Ouchi's findings will be detailed in a December issue of the Astrophysical Journal.
> A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the > universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after > the theoretical Big Bang.
Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?"
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> > A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the > > universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after > > the theoretical Big Bang.
>> A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the >> universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after >> the theoretical Big Bang.
>Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?"
Yes. But in the scientific sense rather than the general one. --
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless
> > > A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the > > > universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after > > > the theoretical Big Bang.
> > Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?" > Of course. > All theories are theoretical,
The Big Bang isn't a theory: Big Bang Theory is.
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Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:56:12 -0700, the following appeared >in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile ><desertph...@invalid-address.net>: >>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:39:25 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> >>wrote:
>>> Some of the Universe's First Galaxies Discovered >>> By SPACE.com staff
>>> A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the >>> universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after >>> the theoretical Big Bang.
>>Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?" >Yes. But in the scientific sense rather than the general >one.
And will be for the foreseeable future. It is one of those things we can't replicate in the lab and so must be inferred.
Of course this gets creationists all riled up. I guess they want proof in the form of an ancient document written by the "Big Banger".
Actually, all it is is circumstantial evidence. Unbeknownst to creationists, we actually KILL people in the US based on circumstantial evidence, an uncivilized activity in which I'll bet they participate.
>Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:56:12 -0700, the following appeared >>in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile >><desertph...@invalid-address.net>:
>>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:39:25 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> >>>wrote:
>>>> Some of the Universe's First Galaxies Discovered >>>> By SPACE.com staff
>>>> A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the >>>> universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after >>>> the theoretical Big Bang.
>>>Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?"
>>Yes. But in the scientific sense rather than the general >>one. >And will be for the foreseeable future. It is one of those >things we can't replicate in the lab and so must be inferred.
>Of course this gets creationists all riled up. I guess they >want proof in the form of an ancient document written by >the "Big Banger".
"Chantilly Space"?
Sorry... ;-)
>Actually, all it is is circumstantial evidence. Unbeknownst >to creationists, we actually KILL people in the US based >on circumstantial evidence, an uncivilized activity in which >I'll bet they participate.
I'm more concerned with the fact that people are sometimes executed based solely on eyewitness testimony, with *no* hard evidence at all. Not often, but it happens. --
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless
> > > > posted: 06 November 2009 > > > > 01:04 pm ET
> > > > A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the > > > > universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after > > > > the theoretical Big Bang.
> > > Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?" > > Of course. > > All theories are theoretical,
> The Big Bang isn't a theory: Big Bang Theory is.
The only thing we can "see" is the CMR, from about 300,000 years after the presumed big bang. Everything before that is theoretical. (I am one of those people who thinks all this infinite density and inflation stuff is just fevered nonsense, although I certainly do not have a better explanation.)
Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:26:21 +0000 (UTC), the following >appeared in talk.origins, posted by Paul J Gans ><g...@panix.com>: >>Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:56:12 -0700, the following appeared >>>in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile >>><desertph...@invalid-address.net>:
>>>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:39:25 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> >>>>wrote:
>>>>> Some of the Universe's First Galaxies Discovered >>>>> By SPACE.com staff
>>>>> A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the >>>>> universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after >>>>> the theoretical Big Bang.
>>>>Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?"
>>>Yes. But in the scientific sense rather than the general >>>one. >>And will be for the foreseeable future. It is one of those >>things we can't replicate in the lab and so must be inferred.
>>Of course this gets creationists all riled up. I guess they >>want proof in the form of an ancient document written by >>the "Big Banger". >"Chantilly Space"? >Sorry... ;-) >>Actually, all it is is circumstantial evidence. Unbeknownst >>to creationists, we actually KILL people in the US based >>on circumstantial evidence, an uncivilized activity in which >>I'll bet they participate. >I'm more concerned with the fact that people are sometimes >executed based solely on eyewitness testimony, with *no* >hard evidence at all. Not often, but it happens.
It has been shown over and over again that eyewitness testimony is often -- not always -- terribly inaccurate.
>Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >>On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:26:21 +0000 (UTC), the following >>appeared in talk.origins, posted by Paul J Gans >><g...@panix.com>:
>>>Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote: >>>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:56:12 -0700, the following appeared >>>>in talk.origins, posted by Desertphile >>>><desertph...@invalid-address.net>:
>>>>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:39:25 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> >>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> Some of the Universe's First Galaxies Discovered >>>>>> By SPACE.com staff
>>>>>> posted: 06 November 2009 >>>>>> 01:04 pm ET
>>>>>> A new survey has found 22 of the earliest galaxies to form in the >>>>>> universe, confirming the age of one at just 787 million years after >>>>>> the theoretical Big Bang.
>>>>>Huh? Is the Big Bang still "theoretical?"
>>>>Yes. But in the scientific sense rather than the general >>>>one.
>>>And will be for the foreseeable future. It is one of those >>>things we can't replicate in the lab and so must be inferred.
>>>Of course this gets creationists all riled up. I guess they >>>want proof in the form of an ancient document written by >>>the "Big Banger".
>>"Chantilly Space"?
>>Sorry... ;-)
>>>Actually, all it is is circumstantial evidence. Unbeknownst >>>to creationists, we actually KILL people in the US based >>>on circumstantial evidence, an uncivilized activity in which >>>I'll bet they participate.
>>I'm more concerned with the fact that people are sometimes >>executed based solely on eyewitness testimony, with *no* >>hard evidence at all. Not often, but it happens.
>It has been shown over and over again that eyewitness testimony >is often -- not always -- terribly inaccurate.
That's why convictions based solely on such testimony bother me more than those based on evidence, even circumstantial evidence (which has a really wide range of relevance).
>And I agree. It kills people.
"Laws don't kill people; juries kill people." --
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless
> The only thing we can "see" is the CMR, from about > 300,000 years after the presumed big bang. Everything > before that is theoretical.
That depends on what you mean by "see." We see the abundances of light elements, which very closely matchs the predictions for primordial nucleosynthesis (*way* before the CMBR). We also see the spectrum of fluctuations of the CMBR, which is necessarily a consequence of the irregularities that came before; we can compare these to theoretical predictions, and obtain some extremely good quantitative tests.
We should eventually be able to observe the cosmic neutrino and gravitational wave backgrounds, which also come from way before the CMBR, though it will take a while for out technology to get good enough to see these.
> [...] > > The only thing we can "see" is the CMR, from about > > 300,000 years after the presumed big bang. Everything > > before that is theoretical.
> That depends on what you mean by "see." We see the abundances > of light elements, which very closely matchs the predictions for > primordial nucleosynthesis (*way* before the CMBR). We also see > the spectrum of fluctuations of the CMBR, which is necessarily a > consequence of the irregularities that came before; we can compare > these to theoretical predictions, and obtain some extremely good > quantitative tests.
> We should eventually be able to observe the cosmic neutrino and > gravitational wave backgrounds, which also come from way before > the CMBR, though it will take a while for out technology to get > good enough to see these.
> > The only thing we can "see" is the CMR, from about > > 300,000 years after the presumed big bang. Everything > > before that is theoretical.
> That depends on what you mean by "see."
I meant detect electromagnetic radiation.
> We see the abundances of light elements, > which very closely matchs the predictions for > primordial nucleosynthesis (*way* before the CMBR).
And, well after inflation (which most bothers me), if memory serves.
> We also see > the spectrum of fluctuations of the CMBR, which is necessarily a > consequence of the irregularities that came before; we can compare > these to theoretical predictions, and obtain some extremely good > quantitative tests.
We are, as I understand it, talking about theoretical "predictions" made after the observations.
While it would be ridiculous for me to claim that I understand the theoretical model(s?) you are referring to, I have spent my entire life watching this theory evolve, and what I have seen has not given me confidence that it makes any sense.
The idea of an essentially infinitely dense starting condition in an expanding space/time has been around for as long as I can remember so it must have been dreamt up in the late 50s.
Why was space/time expanding? - mostly one just heard dogmatic assertions that to ask what was going on before was meaningless: There was no time or space before the big-bang. Since time (whatever else it is) is the measure of changing events, this amounted to an assertion that there were no events before the Big-Bang which is obvious nonsense. We got similar nonsense about what was going on outside our universe: nothing, there just wasn't anything there. I could accept: probably not accessible, and almost certainly not 3+1 dimensions, but: not there? Just silly.
I call this initial hypothetical dense expanding state, the first call to the tooth fairy - and I don't have all that much trouble with it; after all, something started what we see, and in the absence of a better idea, why not credit the tooth-fairy?
Then somebody noticed that the CMBR was too smooth across the sky to be explained by a simple expansion from an infinitely dense hypothetical state, so up popped the inflation model. How does that work?: well sometime within the first "hour" (or minute or second or fraction thereof) of our universe's existence it expanded at a rate vastly exceeding the speed of light (oddly similar to a claim regularly made by creationists) and then it abruptly stopped expanding. Why did the expansion start? What fundamental principle explains why it stopped? Why did expansion decelerate till 5 billion years ago and then start accelerating again? I haven't heard a hint of an explanation in terms of even hypothetical underlying principles. Do you know of such principles?
I call inflation the second call to the tooth-fairy. I think the tooth-fairy is being over worked here, and it just is NOT fair! She should have AT LEAST the same labor rights protections as is granted to children.
To add to my suspicions, I remember following the release of progressively more detailed limits to the variation in the CMBR across the sky during the 90's - and while I had no understanding at all of what the numbers meant, I do recall increasing cries of anguish from cosmologists since the variation was so small it was going to make explaining how stars formed within the first 3 billion years almost impossible. Then when the final numbers came out there was nothing but silence - all the problems just seemed to disappear.
Well, maybe as you have stated there is a good consisted theoretical model out there, but I've been hearing that for at least 30 years - of models which have obviously been shown to be false. Who predicted dark matter till the observations required it? From where I sit it looks like somebody would have come up with *some* model which validated those two calls to the tooth fairy no matter how the observational numbers had come up.
Well, it all looks like gerrymandering to me. Let me stress that I have NOTHING against the Tooth Fairy, but I say she deserves to be selected in a fair and unbiased process!
> We should eventually be able to observe the cosmic neutrino and > gravitational wave backgrounds, which also come from way before > the CMBR, though it will take a while for out technology to get > good enough to see these.
Well, if somebody publishes some very narrowly confined numbers predicting the observed values before the measurements are made, I will become a believer. Based on my current knowledge and understanding - the Tooth Fairy is my guide.