On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:16:46 -0500, spintronic wrote (in article <10259827-e15e-4554-9d01-e68931184...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):
> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
Most of us find you mildly amusing, especially when you make wild threats that you couldn't carry out in a million years. Where's my DOS attack, spinny?
> This sight however is not about getting even.
> I have given away, free knowledge.
No, you haven't.
> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
Not even madman/uriel/asi? And this didn't tell you something?
> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
Ah. We're gonna be amused for a while yet, then.
> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> Robert Camp wrote: >> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said:
>>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
>> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
>>> This sight however is not about getting even.
>>> I have given away, free knowledge.
>>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
>>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
>>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
>>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
>>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
>> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
>> - am familiar with only by way of usenet >> - gather is a substance abuser, >> - suspect is mentally impaired, >> - know is emotionally unstable.
>> What could possibly go wrong?
> Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > authority like Bernie Madoff?
Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:16:46 -0800 (PST), spintronic
<spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
You have confused pity with "hate." Occult-befuddled retards do that often.
-- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
> On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
> > Robert Camp wrote: > >> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said:
> >>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
> >> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
> >>> This sight however is not about getting even.
> >>> I have given away, free knowledge.
> >>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
> >>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
> >>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> >>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> >>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
> >> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
> >> - am familiar with only by way of usenet > >> - gather is a substance abuser, > >> - suspect is mentally impaired, > >> - know is emotionally unstable.
> >> What could possibly go wrong?
> > Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > > authority like Bernie Madoff?
> Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie > Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, > if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
Really?
I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want it". In other words, these people thought they were getting something too good to be true.
How you can think Madoff is more "evil" than, say, your average serial killer is beyond me. And yes, I think serial killers are insane. But I do not think insanity and evil are mutually exclusive. In fact, I am coming to think that if you are evil, you pretty much have to be insane.
> On Nov 19, 9:57 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
>>> Robert Camp wrote: >>>> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said > :
>>>>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
>>>> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
>>>>> This sight however is not about getting even.
>>>>> I have given away, free knowledge.
>>>>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
>>>>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
>>>>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
>>>>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
>>>>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
>>>> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
>>>> - am familiar with only by way of usenet >>>> - gather is a substance abuser, >>>> - suspect is mentally impaired, >>>> - know is emotionally unstable.
>>>> What could possibly go wrong?
>>> Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected >>> authority like Bernie Madoff?
>> Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie >> Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, >> if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
> Really?
It's not something I'd go to the mat over, but yes, really.
> I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in > millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people > who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD > detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want > it".
If you believe that, then it's easy to dismiss the magnitude of Madoff's crime. I don't believe it, I think it's startlingly simplistic.
> In other words, these people thought they were getting something > too good to be true.
Possibly, to the degree they actually thought about it.
> How you can think Madoff is more "evil" than, say, your average serial > killer is beyond me.
In placing the relative "evils" on a continuum your question misses the fact that my point was to distinguish evil (societal immorality) from Evil (transcendent malevolence). No, I'm not saying that Madoff is more socially destructive than a serial killer, I'm saying that it's harder, at a glance, for me to imagine his crime's cause as the result of physiological error than the former (though, as I implied before, I accept that it's true of both).
> And yes, I think serial killers are insane. But I > do not think insanity and evil are mutually exclusive. In fact, I am > coming to think that if you are evil, you pretty much have to be > insane.
Well that's certainly not a point in dispute. And of course I don't believe in any external, transcendent Evil. What set Madoff apart, for me, was the apparent unbridled avarice, the calmly considered gluttony - above and apart from any possible use of the resulting wealth. It just seemed, at first blush, to be beyond emotional instability or neural wiring gone awry, it seemed inexplicable.
In article <8b11c9a1-6109-4dc7-b0da-006304a1d...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Really?
>I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in >millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people >who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD >detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want >it". In other words, these people thought they were getting something >too good to be true.
Some of Madoff's victims entrusted their retirment funds to money managers that had been recommended by friends or relatives, and these managers in turn invested in Madoff, leaving the retirees bankrupt. You *can* cheat an honest person. You especially can cheat an honest and charitable person, but that is another topic.
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In article <2009111920515616807-robertlcamp@hotmailcom>, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>believe in any external, transcendent Evil. What set Madoff apart, for >me, was the apparent unbridled avarice, the calmly considered gluttony >- above and apart from any possible use of the resulting wealth. It >just seemed, at first blush, to be beyond emotional instability or >neural wiring gone awry, it seemed inexplicable.
How much would it cost a man to have a different attractive young woman copulate with him every day of his life, and hire a private chef to cook the most decadent cuisine imaginable, while living in Hawaii, the south coast of France, or somewhere equally desirable? I would propose that as the upper limit to any sort of "rational" avarice.
I don't know if boats, cars, or drugs could add up to enough to even double that figure, and many vices are going to take time or ability away from other vices, keeping the total cost down.
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On Nov 19, 11:51 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> Well that's certainly not a point in dispute. And of course I don't > believe in any external, transcendent Evil. What set Madoff apart, for > me, was the apparent unbridled avarice, the calmly considered gluttony > - above and apart from any possible use of the resulting wealth. It > just seemed, at first blush, to be beyond emotional instability or > neural wiring gone awry, it seemed inexplicable.
Odd, I see nothing at all that is even slightly difficult to explain or understand (although my "understanding" may be completely wrong).
Madoff wanted to be a powerful, important and respected member of his community - a kind of Warren Buffet wanna-be with the needed social skills, but without the needed analytic skills.
He (I imagine) started off as an investment manager, and offered higher returns to attract more capital/investors expecting he could make brilliant investments and make everyone happy. Gradually however the money hole got deeper and deeper so he had to attract ever more investors to fill the gap.
Switching metaphors, he gradually awoke to the knowledge that he was riding the tiger, and couldn't figure out how to get off. I see no malice at all, just the effects of hubris carried to the extreme.
> On Nov 19, 9:57 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
> > > Robert Camp wrote: > > >> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said:
> > >>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
> > >> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
> > >>> This sight however is not about getting even.
> > >>> I have given away, free knowledge.
> > >>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
> > >>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
> > >>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> > >>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> > >>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
> > >> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
> > >> - am familiar with only by way of usenet > > >> - gather is a substance abuser, > > >> - suspect is mentally impaired, > > >> - know is emotionally unstable.
> > >> What could possibly go wrong?
> > > Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > > > authority like Bernie Madoff?
> > Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie > > Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, > > if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
> Really?
> I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in > millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people > who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD > detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want > it". In other words, these people thought they were getting something > too good to be true.
It sounds like anyone who invests money is asking to get scammed, per your definition. I cannot agree with that.
> How you can think Madoff is more "evil" than, say, your average serial > killer is beyond me. And yes, I think serial killers are insane. But I > do not think insanity and evil are mutually exclusive. In fact, I am > coming to think that if you are evil, you pretty much have to be > insane.
> On Nov 19, 9:57 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
> > > Robert Camp wrote: > > >> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said:
> > >>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
> > >> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
> > >>> This sight however is not about getting even.
> > >>> I have given away, free knowledge.
> > >>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
> > >>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
> > >>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> > >>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> > >>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
> > >> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
> > >> - am familiar with only by way of usenet > > >> - gather is a substance abuser, > > >> - suspect is mentally impaired, > > >> - know is emotionally unstable.
> > >> What could possibly go wrong?
> > > Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > > > authority like Bernie Madoff?
> > Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie > > Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, > > if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
> Really?
> I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in > millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people > who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD > detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want > it". In other words, these people thought they were getting something > too good to be true.
> How you can think Madoff is more "evil" than, say, your average serial > killer is beyond me. And yes, I think serial killers are insane. But I > do not think insanity and evil are mutually exclusive. In fact, I am > coming to think that if you are evil, you pretty much have to be > insane.
> On 2009-11-19 19:56:28 -0800, chris thompson > <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> said:
> > On Nov 19, 9:57 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
> >>> Robert Camp wrote: > >>>> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said > > :
> >>>>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
> >>>> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
> >>>>> This sight however is not about getting even.
> >>>>> I have given away, free knowledge.
> >>>>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
> >>>>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
> >>>>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> >>>>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> >>>>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
> >>>> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
> >>>> - am familiar with only by way of usenet > >>>> - gather is a substance abuser, > >>>> - suspect is mentally impaired, > >>>> - know is emotionally unstable.
> >>>> What could possibly go wrong?
> >>> Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > >>> authority like Bernie Madoff?
> >> Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie > >> Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, > >> if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
> > Really?
> It's not something I'd go to the mat over, but yes, really.
> > I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in > > millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people > > who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD > > detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want > > it".
> If you believe that, then it's easy to dismiss the magnitude of > Madoff's crime. I don't believe it, I think it's startlingly simplistic.
> > In other words, these people thought they were getting something > > too good to be true.
> Possibly, to the degree they actually thought about it.
> > How you can think Madoff is more "evil" than, say, your average serial > > killer is beyond me.
> In placing the relative "evils" on a continuum your question misses the > fact that my point was to distinguish evil (societal immorality) from > Evil (transcendent malevolence). No, I'm not saying that Madoff is more > socially destructive than a serial killer, I'm saying that it's harder, > at a glance, for me to imagine his crime's cause as the result of > physiological error than the former (though, as I implied before, I > accept that it's true of both).
> > And yes, I think serial killers are insane. But I > > do not think insanity and evil are mutually exclusive. In fact, I am > > coming to think that if you are evil, you pretty much have to be > > insane.
> Well that's certainly not a point in dispute. And of course I don't > believe in any external, transcendent Evil. What set Madoff apart, for > me, was the apparent unbridled avarice, the calmly considered gluttony > - above and apart from any possible use of the resulting wealth. It > just seemed, at first blush, to be beyond emotional instability or > neural wiring gone awry, it seemed inexplicable.
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> - Show quoted text -
There is transcendent Evil. Hitler is one example of this transcendent influence.
How else could you explain an obscure, relatively uneducated, low ranking military figure rising to such great influence within such a short time and doing do so much destruction on a world wide basis?
Then you have the other side of the coin where someone like Jesus, who was also an obscure unknown, rising to great influence that still has an impact even today. Evil is real. It is as real as any kindness. Both are acted out by man every day because man is influenced by transcendent Evil and transcendent Good every day.
Therefore, Spiritual warfare is real. The "helmet of Salvation" and the "breastplate of Righteousness" are included in the Messianic prophecy of Isaiah 59:17, which predates the Roman Republic and its legionary army calling into question its inspiration. (another bible prophesy that came true)
The Sumerians mention the watchers each taking a part of the earth to rule and this is know as a Territorial Spirit today.
Paul of Taurus addressed this Spiritual warfare in depth. <quote> "11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place,
15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.
16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests." </quote>
And, of course Jesus was well aware of the spiritual influences acting upon man too when he told his disciples to "wake up. Satan desires to sift you like wheat". Which is a rather interesting play on words since the children of God are called (metaphorically)"wheat"
Now, I realize that most of you will not believe me. But you now know how to defeat true and pure evil should the need ever arise in your life or at the moment of death.
> On Nov 19, 10:51 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2009-11-19 19:56:28 -0800, chris thompson > > <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> said:
> > > On Nov 19, 9:57 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
> > >>> Robert Camp wrote: > > >>>> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said > > > :
> > >>>>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
> > >>>> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
> > >>>>> This sight however is not about getting even.
> > >>>>> I have given away, free knowledge.
> > >>>>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
> > >>>>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
> > >>>>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> > >>>>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> > >>>>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
> > >>>> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
> > >>>> - am familiar with only by way of usenet > > >>>> - gather is a substance abuser, > > >>>> - suspect is mentally impaired, > > >>>> - know is emotionally unstable.
> > >>>> What could possibly go wrong?
> > >>> Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > > >>> authority like Bernie Madoff?
> > >> Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie > > >> Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, > > >> if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
> > > Really?
> > It's not something I'd go to the mat over, but yes, really.
> > > I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in > > > millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people > > > who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD > > > detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want > > > it".
> > If you believe that, then it's easy to dismiss the magnitude of > > Madoff's crime. I don't believe it, I think it's startlingly simplistic.
> > > In other words, these people thought they were getting something > > > too good to be true.
> > Possibly, to the degree they actually thought about it.
> > > How you can think Madoff is more "evil" than, say, your average serial > > > killer is beyond me.
> > In placing the relative "evils" on a continuum your question misses the > > fact that my point was to distinguish evil (societal immorality) from > > Evil (transcendent malevolence). No, I'm not saying that Madoff is more > > socially destructive than a serial killer, I'm saying that it's harder, > > at a glance, for me to imagine his crime's cause as the result of > > physiological error than the former (though, as I implied before, I > > accept that it's true of both).
> > > And yes, I think serial killers are insane. But I > > > do not think insanity and evil are mutually exclusive. In fact, I am > > > coming to think that if you are evil, you pretty much have to be > > > insane.
> > Well that's certainly not a point in dispute. And of course I don't > > believe in any external, transcendent Evil. What set Madoff apart, for > > me, was the apparent unbridled avarice, the calmly considered gluttony > > - above and apart from any possible use of the resulting wealth. It > > just seemed, at first blush, to be beyond emotional instability or > > neural wiring gone awry, it seemed inexplicable.
> > RLC- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> There is transcendent Evil. Hitler is one example of this > transcendent influence.
> How else could you explain an obscure, relatively uneducated, low > ranking military figure rising to such great influence within such a > short time and doing do so much destruction on a world wide basis?
> Then you have the other side of the coin where someone like Jesus, who > was also an obscure unknown, rising to great influence that still has > an impact even today. > Evil is real. It is as real as any kindness. Both are acted out by man > every day because man is influenced by transcendent Evil and > transcendent Good every day.
> Therefore, Spiritual warfare is real. The "helmet of Salvation" and > the "breastplate of Righteousness" are included in the Messianic > prophecy of Isaiah 59:17, which predates the Roman Republic and its > legionary army calling into question its inspiration. (another bible > prophesy that came true)
> The Sumerians mention the watchers each taking a part of the earth to > rule and this is know as a Territorial Spirit today.
> Paul of Taurus addressed this Spiritual warfare in depth. > <quote> > "11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand > against the devil's schemes.
> 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the > rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world > and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
> therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil > comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done > everything, to stand.
> 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, > with the breastplate of righteousness in place,
> 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the > gospel of peace.
> 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you > can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
> 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is > the word of God.
> 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers > and requests." > </quote>
> And, of course Jesus was well aware of the spiritual influences acting > upon man too when he told his disciples to "wake up. Satan desires to > sift you like wheat". Which is a rather interesting play on words > since the children of God are called (metaphorically)"wheat"
.
> Now, I realize that most of you will not believe me. But you now know > how to defeat true and pure evil
> In article <2009111920515616807-robertlcamp@hotmailcom>, > Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >believe in any external, transcendent Evil. What set Madoff apart, for > >me, was the apparent unbridled avarice, the calmly considered gluttony > >- above and apart from any possible use of the resulting wealth. It > >just seemed, at first blush, to be beyond emotional instability or > >neural wiring gone awry, it seemed inexplicable.
> How much would it cost a man to have a different attractive young woman > copulate with him every day of his life, and hire a private chef to > cook the most decadent cuisine imaginable, while living in Hawaii, > the south coast of France, or somewhere equally desirable? I would > propose that as the upper limit to any sort of "rational" avarice.
> I don't know if boats, cars, or drugs could add up to enough to even > double that figure, and many vices are going to take time or ability > away from other vices, keeping the total cost down.
While I quite agree with your position, I have to point out that many of the uber rich don't see it anywhere close to that way. Rather, they see it as, if they have five houses, that's better than having four.
Have you seen the level at which the biggest yachts have arrived at ?
Onassis' old yacht, the Christina, a former Canadian Navy WW2 frigate, is still operated: Yachting Partners and Camper Nicholsons charter it for 315.000 euros in low season and 455.000 during the high season.
Or, two larger ex frigates, former Cold War Dutch missile frigates, are presently being converted into super yachts:
"Abu Dhabi MAR has four yachts under construction. The Swift141 and Swift 135 are conversion of Dutch-built navy frigates, 462 and 442 feet in length respectively. The Swift141, set for launch later this year, is shaped and styled by Pierrejean Design Studio in Paris."
The prices for such will make the old first class tickets on the Concorde look like lost pocket change.
These are points that indicate that the way that many of the uber rich see their world is so alien to how 99.9% of the rest of us have to see it, that there is very little meaningful ability to communicate across that divide.
Here's how the new top guy at AiG lives:
"That's probably why he gave a long interview to Reuters from his 12 bathroom Croatian coastal villa to help reassure anxious people back in the U.S. that he's the right man for the job."
> On Nov 19, 9:57 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
> > > Robert Camp wrote: > > >> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said:
> > >>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
> > >> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
> > >>> This sight however is not about getting even.
> > >>> I have given away, free knowledge.
> > >>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
> > >>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
> > >>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> > >>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> > >>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
> > >> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
> > >> - am familiar with only by way of usenet > > >> - gather is a substance abuser, > > >> - suspect is mentally impaired, > > >> - know is emotionally unstable.
> > >> What could possibly go wrong?
> > > Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > > > authority like Bernie Madoff?
> > Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie > > Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, > > if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
> Really?
> I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in > millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people > who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD > detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want > it". In other words, these people thought they were getting something > too good to be true.
I don't think so.
If a shady guy in the street approaches you and offers to give you 200 $ tomorrow for 100 $ today and you accept the deal, then you are asking to be scammed.
But Madoff was a respected investment manager, operating for a long time under the eye of control agencies which never found anything wrong.
People could reasonable believe he was investing their money in some legitimate business.
> On 20 Nov, 04:56, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 9:57 pm, Robert Camp <robertlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2009-11-19 18:47:18 -0800, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> said:
> > > > Robert Camp wrote: > > > >> On 2009-11-19 17:16:46 -0800, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> said:
> > > >>> Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
> > > >> No, spinny, I don't hate you, I pity you.
> > > >>> This sight however is not about getting even.
> > > >>> I have given away, free knowledge.
> > > >>> In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
> > > >>> I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
> > > >>> I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
> > > >>> One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
> > > >>> The other sounds like "germ" on the exchange.
> > > >> Hmmm...investment advice from someone I -
> > > >> - am familiar with only by way of usenet > > > >> - gather is a substance abuser, > > > >> - suspect is mentally impaired, > > > >> - know is emotionally unstable.
> > > >> What could possibly go wrong?
> > > > Would that be better or worse than getting your advice from a respected > > > > authority like Bernie Madoff?
> > > Well, the evolutionist in me wants to say worse, but frankly Bernie > > > Madoff is an example of one of those few moments in this life where I, > > > if only for a moment, begin to imagine that *Evil* might actually exist.
> > Really?
> > I thought Madoff was a picayune kind of criminal. Sure, he dealt in > > millions of dollars, but his whole scam was taking money from people > > who wanted to get something for nothing. In the words of my NYPD > > detective brother-in-law, "no one ever got scammed who didn't want > > it". In other words, these people thought they were getting something > > too good to be true.
> I don't think so.
> If a shady guy in the street approaches you and offers to give you 200 > $ tomorrow for 100 $ today and you accept the deal, then you are > asking to be scammed.
> But Madoff was a respected investment manager, operating for a long > time under the eye of control agencies which never found anything > wrong.
> People could reasonable believe he was investing their money in some > legitimate business.
spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:10259827-e15e-4554- 9d01-e68931184...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>Many of you hate me, but I hate you so we're even.
A lot of us just pity you. Your hate is your own problem. It is bad for the body, though, and somewhat addictive. It can kill you.
>This sight however is not about getting even.
Who has wronged you? How?
>I have given away, free knowledge.
No, actually you have given away your opinions. A lot of people do that.
>In the hope one person would listen. (nobody did)
Maybe if you backed your opinions with real evidence, you would find some traction. However, I have the feeling that if you honestly soght real evidence for your opinions, you would be forced to change them.
>I will keep giving away free knowledge until somebody does.
Listening does not mean accepting your falsehoods.
>I know of 2 regenerative companies fighting for survival.
>One went from -2 to 12 dollars a share. overnight.
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